AntMiner S9 rampant speculation thread, have to be quick though

[jt byte]

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

Good to know this. That is what forum should be for. To give us some facts so to make a decision for our selves if we should buy these or not.

[chiguireitor]

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

Good to know this. That is what forum should be for. To give us some facts so to make a decision for our selves if we should buy these or not.

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

[ps_jb]

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

I predict that S9 will be released this Friday (Peking time - morning)

[topiOleg]

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

The huge spike in last 2 days shows one should be really very concerned whether you can make profit with the new S9, if really the price is going to be around $200 per every 1 th/s.

[Biodom]

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

The huge spike in last 2 days shows one should be really very concerned whether you can make profit with the new S9, if really the price is going to be around $200 per every 1 th/s.

You don't have to pay a crazy price. I surely won't.

@chiguireitor nice analogy...well, they had a few survivors at the end and snow was going away.
Actually, if btc fails it would mean that either Satoshi's idea of decreasing reward was nuts OR that market cannot adjust rapidly enough to such conditions.
If difficulty increases 50% by halving and price stays the same, S7 will be nonviable for almost everyone, but the lowest cost people and S9 should cost close to $600-700.
I guess it means that much less people would mine.
Honestly, i think that bitcoin dev need to think about transitioning to POS.  

[philipma1957]

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

The huge spike in last 2 days shows one should be really very concerned whether you can make profit with the new S9, if really the price is going to be around $200 per every 1 th/s.

You don't have to pay a crazy price. I surely won't.

@chiguireitor nice analogy...well, they had a few survivors at the end and snow was going away.
Actually, if btc fails it would mean that either Satoshi's idea of decreasing reward was nuts OR that market cannot adjust rapidly enough to such conditions.
If difficulty increases 50% by halfing and price stays the same, S7 will be nonviable for almost everyone, but the lowest cost people and S9 should cost close to $500-600.
I guess it means that much less people would mine.
Honestly, i think that bitcoin dev need to think about transitioning to POS.  

I think we need a two coin system  one that is asic free and rides on btc .

The Gpu driven coin is designed to shut down if and when an asic is built for it.
The regular person anywhere in the world can run it a bit or a lot on pc's with gpus.
Quiet and low power it it is a 2 card or 1 card rig.

take the coin and keep some trade some into btc and cash some.

Leave btc to the big ass farms in china.

I have a good power deal  but not a lot of it. I can run the avalon 6's till they drop and slowly add s-9's or avalon 7's to replace them. most people cannot do this.

[AltcoinScamfinder]

I don't get the "there has to be a coin that can be mined at home" argument. There is absolutely no part of a successful crypto that depends on some form of mining-democracy. There are tons of coins out there, but my bet is that Bitcoin is the only one with long lasting value.

[fr4nkthetank]

I don't get the "there has to be a coin that can be mined at home" argument. There is absolutely no part of a successful crypto that depends on some form of mining-democracy. There are tons of coins out there, but my bet is that Bitcoin is the only one with long lasting value.

Well at the end of the line, we can see only a few select locations actually mining (if they stop selling miners to people for example).  thats not good for the network.  decentralization is a huge part of crypto.  that implies many people in many locations doing their part to secure the network and make it work (nodes too).  my2cents

[chiguireitor]

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@chiguireitor nice analogy...well, they had a few survivors at the end and snow was going away.
Actually, if btc fails it would mean that either Satoshi's idea of decreasing reward was nuts OR that market cannot adjust rapidly enough to such conditions.
If difficulty increases 50% by halving and price stays the same, S7 will be nonviable for almost everyone, but the lowest cost people and S9 should cost close to $600-700.
I guess it means that much less people would mine.
Honestly, i think that bitcoin dev need to think about transitioning to POS.  

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[fanatic26]

I don't get the "there has to be a coin that can be mined at home" argument. There is absolutely no part of a successful crypto that depends on some form of mining-democracy. There are tons of coins out there, but my bet is that Bitcoin is the only one with long lasting value.

I have found in my time here that the forum regulars absolutely cannot wrap their head around the fact that mining BTC at home is in the past and they are fighting a losing battle. They think "the hardware manufacturers MUST cater to the home market and if they dont they are terrible terrible companies". The truth of it is at this point every home miner in the world could shut their machines down and there wouldnt even be a hiccup in the network.

They also seem to think every bitcoin data center is in China and they all run off this mythical cheap power you cannot get anywhere else in the world. Off the top of my head I can name 4-5 states in the US alone where you can get power under $0.04/kwh (No im not talking about residential rates because they dont matter.)

[adaseb]

We will see with LISK if the whole "there needs to be a home minable coin"

Will LISK fail because its not POW ?

[QuintLeo]

They also seem to think every bitcoin data center is in China and they all run off this mythical cheap power you cannot get anywhere else in the world. Off the top of my head I can name 4-5 states in the US alone where you can get power under $0.04/kwh (No im not talking about residential rates because they dont matter.)

 Washington, in 3 counties, but Grant county you have to be an industrial-level user to get into the relevant tariffs - you can get fairly close as a home miner though, 4.something all up as I recall.

 Where are the other alleged "under 4c/KWH" locations? Are you CERTAIN you are including ALL of the relevant charges?

 For example, where I live in an Alliant Energy service area, my current base rate at my usage level is just a little over 3 cents/KWH - but once I add in the "Regional Transmission Fee" and the "Fuel Surcharge", my last bill put me a bit OVER 8c/KWH all up - though I've usually this past winter been more like 7.5ish.

[AriesIV10]

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

I predict that S9 will be released this Friday (Peking time - morning)

I am with you on this prediction!  FRIDAY!

[dsattler]

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

I predict that S9 will be released this Friday (Peking time - morning)

I am with you on this prediction!  FRIDAY!

This german bitcoin blogging site has some coverage: https://bitcoinblog.de/2016/05/24/neue-miner-ausgeliefert-hashrate-explodiert/

[ps_jb]

I am with you on this prediction!  FRIDAY!

Deal then!

[dsattler]

Have you seen this:

Description   BITMAIN ANTMINER S9 Batch 1 with 9.63th/s
Shipping from 26th May 2016


S9 Specifications:
1. Hash Rate: 9.63 TH/s ±5%
2. Power Consumption: 1350W + 10% (at the wall, with APW3, 93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)
3. Power Efficiency: 0.15 J/GH + 10% (at the wall, with APW3, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)
4. Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V
5. Chip quantity per unit: 114x BM1396
6. Dimensions: 301mm(L)*123mm(W)*155mm(H)
7. Cooling: 1x 12038 fan
8. Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C
9. Network Connection: Ethernet
10. Default Frequency: 800M
Notes:
1.   Power consumption figures will vary with your PSU’s efficiency, the ambient operating temperature and the accuracy of the power meter.
2.   PSU: A power supply unit is not included, and you will need to provide an ATX PSU. There are 3 PCI-e connectors for +12V DC input on each hashing board and all 3 are required. Do not connect more than one PSU to the same hashing board!
Bitmain recommends the APW3-12-1600-B2 power supply for use with the S9. One power supply support one S9.
3. Separate power supply to control board: there is one additional 6pin PCI-e connector on the IO board which must be connected to the PSU to get power. Be sure to power on the miner after ALL the 10 PCIE connectors connected to power supply. When using differnt PSU and you want to power off the miner, be sure to disconnect all the PSU from power.

[dsattler]

Price is 4.8 BTC on OpenBazaar!

ob://17144de3790b134b05a0fca102ff8b8887d08e27/listing/c6bbb66fd2041bde823ad70df9bdb757600aafee

[suchmoon]

Price is 4.8 BTC on OpenBazaar!

This (or something like this) was posted here earlier and was considered a scam. Don't trust any such "sales" and buy only from Bitmain when Bitmain officially announces it.

[philipma1957]

Have you seen this:

Description   BITMAIN ANTMINER S9 Batch 1 with 9.63th/s
Shipping from 26th May 2016


S9 Specifications:
1. Hash Rate: 9.63 TH/s ±5%
2. Power Consumption: 1350W + 10% (at the wall, with APW3, 93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)
3. Power Efficiency: 0.15 J/GH + 10% (at the wall, with APW3, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)
4. Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V
5. Chip quantity per unit: 114x BM1396
6. Dimensions: 301mm(L)*123mm(W)*155mm(H)
7. Cooling: 1x 12038 fan
8. Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C
9. Network Connection: Ethernet
10. Default Frequency: 800M
Notes:
1.   Power consumption figures will vary with your PSU’s efficiency, the ambient operating temperature and the accuracy of the power meter.
2.   PSU: A power supply unit is not included, and you will need to provide an ATX PSU. There are 3 PCI-e connectors for +12V DC input on each hashing board and all 3 are required. Do not connect more than one PSU to the same hashing board!
Bitmain recommends the APW3-12-1600-B2 power supply for use with the S9. One power supply support one S9.
3. Separate power supply to control board: there is one additional 6pin PCI-e connector on the IO board which must be connected to the PSU to get power. Be sure to power on the miner after ALL the 10 PCIE connectors connected to power supply. When using differnt PSU and you want to power off the miner, be sure to disconnect all the PSU from power.

Price is 4.8 BTC on OpenBazaar!

4de3790b134b05a0fca102ff8b8887d0b66fd2041bde823ad70df9baafee

I killed the link ,  but if it really 9.6 th at 1350 watt  and it  is 4.8 btc  it is not worth it.

[HagssFIN]

Nothing breathtaking, but I found this:

https://cn.linkedin.com/in/%E5%B8%85-%E6%9D%A8-a91b8091/en

Eason Yang
IC Design Engineer
Bitmain
July 2014 – Present

Project Summary:
BM1384/BM1385/BM1386

• Owned block/top netlist to gds design/signoff (include P&R, timing, DRC/LVS) on TSMC 28/16nm process;
• Owned FlipChip design and cooperate with packaging vendor on package design;
• Owned fullchip dynamic/static power analysis.