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May 21, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
 #141

Since BTCat seems to avoid doing what he was hired/paid for, notaek has asked me to make the post count/payment calculations, which I will start with right now.
As he will be paying the amounts from his own pocket, we agreed that it would be better to have the payment calculations made by a 3rd party (me in this case).
Due to the fact that I wasn't involved with this campaign in any way, this might take some more time than usually.

I'd like to empathize that I am in no way affiliated with Ophion, BTCat and notaek,
I'm doing this as a favor for notaek and because I want to see the participants paid aswell.

I'll keep you updated.


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May 21, 2016, 02:32:54 PM
 #142

A spreadsheet was already made by a member and I have forwarded it to Notaek.

If they want to make it public they can post it.

I was hired for one week on 10 May. With funds disapearing I called it an end to the campaign. I'm not happy either with dozens of PM's still going on and the aggression on this thread. I understand it when people miss out on payments but no need to start harrassing or making false statements. At least there seem to be some good intention to repair the situation. If it will be it's not in my hands and I'm not managing this campaign or a resolution any longer.

Thread will stay open.

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May 21, 2016, 02:40:22 PM
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According to the PMs we've exchanged, notaek is ready to provide the needed funds out of his pocket, not immediately, but over time and in increments.

For doing so, he needs to have the payment information, thats btc addresses and the according amounts.
It doesnt fall in his responsibility to collect those, it's your job to do as a campaign manager.
Anytime I was ever the escrow of a signature campaign, I would always personally verify that each participant had actually posted the address that the campaign manager told me to pay to as well as that each participant had actually made the number of posts the campaign manager claimed they had made. Otherwise he would have no way to knowing that he was actually paying to the correct address and actually paying the correct amounts.

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May 21, 2016, 02:51:05 PM
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Quickseller is right spreadsheet made said by btcat should be post publicly so participants can confirm if the sending address is right and no error again.
There is no spreadsheet created by btcat, the one existing is by laikuf, one of the participants of this campaign.
Furthermore, it seems to be incomplete/partly incorrect to me.
Have a look yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Q88quCnhK-ZjKrL70C1uaGOJ4iqq7cd3EUzVr_l6qY/edit#gid=0


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May 21, 2016, 02:53:16 PM
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Quickseller is right spreadsheet made said by btcat should be post publicly so participants can confirm if the sending address is right and no error again.

Thnx.
That is not what I said, I am saying that it is the responsibility of the escrow to personally verify that he is sending the btc to the correct address and for the correct amount. This ultimately means the escrow checking the enrollment posts himself.

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May 21, 2016, 03:03:00 PM
 #146

A spreadsheet was already made by a member and I have forwarded it to Notaek.

If they want to make it public they can post it.

I was hired for one week on 10 May. With funds disapearing I called it an end to the campaign. I'm not happy either with dozens of PM's still going on and the aggression on this thread. I understand it when people miss out on payments but no need to start harrassing or making false statements. At least there seem to be some good intention to repair the situation. If it will be it's not in my hands and I'm not managing this campaign or a resolution any longer.

Thread will stay open.

So why the spreadsheet is not public ?

why everyone saying they not responsible and not showing the spread sheet either.

Is it a part of game plan not to get a Red trust ?
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May 21, 2016, 03:06:58 PM
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Basically the spreadsheet wasnt made public due to an incompetent manager.

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May 21, 2016, 03:23:34 PM
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Quickseller is right spreadsheet made said by btcat should be post publicly so participants can confirm if the sending address is right and no error again.
There is no spreadsheet created by btcat, the one existing is by laikuf, one of the participants of this campaign.
Furthermore, it seems to be incomplete/partly incorrect to me.
Have a look yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Q88quCnhK-ZjKrL70C1uaGOJ4iqq7cd3EUzVr_l6qY/edit#gid=0

Hello Lutpin. As you are controlling the campaign now. I want to say that I am not satisfied with this spreadsheet.. In this spreadsheet I am not eligible for payment because I didn't wrote any posts in Ophion Thread(Rule No.2)
Yes I didn't wrote any posts there. I wasn't have any idea what to write there. the rule is completely encouraging spamming. just have a look it Ophion Thread. you'll see everyone spamming there by writing 3 posts just to get payment..

I was thinking to send PM's to compaign manager and owner about the rule. but since everything is getting worst.
I don't think that rule should be followed anymore, .

I am not an spammer or unsubstantial poster. so I think I should get my payment of 22 posts.

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May 21, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
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Quickseller is right spreadsheet made said by btcat should be post publicly so participants can confirm if the sending address is right and no error again.
There is no spreadsheet created by btcat, the one existing is by laikuf, one of the participants of this campaign.
Furthermore, it seems to be incomplete/partly incorrect to me.
Have a look yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Q88quCnhK-ZjKrL70C1uaGOJ4iqq7cd3EUzVr_l6qY/edit#gid=0

Hello Lutpin. As you are controlling the campaign now. I want to say that I am not satisfied with this spreadsheet.. In this spreadsheet I am not eligible for payment because I didn't wrote any posts in Ophion Thread(Rule No.2)
Yes I didn't wrote any posts there. I wasn't have any idea what to write there. the rule is completely encouraging spamming. just have a look it Ophion Thread. you'll see everyone spamming there by writing 3 posts just to get payment..

I was thinking to send PM's to compaign manager and owner about the rule. but since everything is getting worst.
I don't think that rule should be followed anymore, .

I am not an spammer or unsubstantial poster. so I think I should get my payment of 22 posts.
yeah i think because this campaign is not fully running in a week and some problem happening, the spreadsheet maker should forget about the rules and just pay by post count,we can't reply to locked thread even once lol,and the sig camp seems running just only about 4days,it's not fair to elect who deserve to be paid through the rules


     
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May 21, 2016, 03:51:20 PM
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Hello Lutpin. As you are controlling the campaign now.
I'm not. I've created a spreadsheet with what I believe to be the right amounts due for payment to each user.
That spreadsheet however is not binding, it's merely an offer I make to notaek.

I want to say that I am not satisfied with this spreadsheet.
Neither am I. However, that's not my spreadsheet to start with. It was created by the user laikuf.

In this spreadsheet I am not eligible for payment because I didn't wrote any posts in Ophion Thread(Rule No.2)
I chose to ignore that rule in my sheet, however I noted those who wouldn't be eligible by that rule, so notaek can decide how to continue.

I am not an spammer or unsubstantial poster. so I think I should get my payment of 22 posts.
It's not my task to evaluate post quality, my sheet is only based on the quantity of posts, not their quality (most of the users here wouldn't have been accepted in one of my campaigns to start with).
I've got you noted down wit 17 posts in mine.



I've created a spreadsheet with the payments I think are fair/due/fitting/..., you can find it under the following url:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i9Ma81rDFodUDbqZhHgGPnSszrijEgpSvtdzbWycpwg/edit?usp=sharing
If payments are made according to this sheet, notaek is to pay 0.537 to 25 different users.
I chose to ignore the rule requiring 3 posts in their official thread, however, I noted those down that didn't.
However, in the current version, as the sheet is right now, the rules for a minimum of 15 and a maximum of 25 posts stand.
I haven't counted any posts made after May 20, 2016, 08:50:28 AM, which is the time BTCat halted the campaign.


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May 21, 2016, 04:14:25 PM
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As per Lutpin's spreadsheet, I'll be rolling out the payments from my own pocket, later today.
Post here if anything is wrong in it before finalizing the mess.

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Hello Lutpin. As you are controlling the campaign now.
I'm not. I've created a spreadsheet with what I believe to be the right amounts due for payment to each user.
That spreadsheet however is not binding, it's merely an offer I make to notaek.

I want to say that I am not satisfied with this spreadsheet.
Neither am I. However, that's not my spreadsheet to start with. It was created by the user laikuf.

In this spreadsheet I am not eligible for payment because I didn't wrote any posts in Ophion Thread(Rule No.2)
I chose to ignore that rule in my sheet, however I noted those who wouldn't be eligible by that rule, so notaek can decide how to continue.

I am not an spammer or unsubstantial poster. so I think I should get my payment of 22 posts.
It's not my task to evaluate post quality, my sheet is only based on the quantity of posts, not their quality (most of the users here wouldn't have been accepted in one of my campaigns to start with).
I've got you noted down wit 17 posts in mine.



I've created a spreadsheet with the payments I think are fair/due/fitting/..., you can find it under the following url:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i9Ma81rDFodUDbqZhHgGPnSszrijEgpSvtdzbWycpwg/edit?usp=sharing
If payments are made according to this sheet, notaek is to pay 0.537 to 25 different users.
I chose to ignore the rule requiring 3 posts in their official thread, however, I noted those down that didn't.
However, in the current version, as the sheet is right now, the rules for a minimum of 15 and a maximum of 25 posts stand.
I haven't counted any posts made after May 20, 2016, 08:50:28 AM, which is the time BTCat halted the campaign.

I think it's unfair to use the 20/5 date as the end post date. We signature members were under the impression that we had until today to post. In my case 10 posts are deducted and i get 0 payment according to your sheet. Which is just unfair.

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Good work Lutpin and Noteak.For people having issues with post counts,welcome to anti-spamming part of the forum,Lutpin would tech ya!

@BtcCat : Still waiting for you to jump off your ego and be remorseful about the situation.You literally took off after your part of the payment given no attention to the work you were suppose to do.Very unethical behavior in my opinion.

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May 21, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
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Okay , so I am not eligible to be paid , because I have only 12 posts , although the campaign was halted before it completes one week , the rules say ( 15 post minimum/ week ) , but you ignored other rule which is ( 3 posts in OPH thread ) , I want to ask why you ingnored one rule and kept other . any way you are campaign's manager , and know a lot about those things , but if all participants accepted this spreadsheet ,I don't want to make other problem here , I will respect your decision .

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May 21, 2016, 05:17:29 PM
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If I'm notaek I would personally apply every single rule in the campaign with a pro rated number as far as posts. Campaign was halted 1 day short of payday. Basically you'd need 2.15 posts on average per day so on 6 days you would need 12.9 posts to qualify and 2 posts in main thread. Anyone who didnt get at least these qualifications would get 0 payment IMO.

Of course this is just how I would do it. Notaek will handle it how he feels is proper.

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May 21, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
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If I'm notaek I would personally apply every single rule in the campaign with a pro rated number as far as posts. Campaign was halted 1 day short of payday. Basically you'd need 2.15 posts on average per day so on 6 days you would need 12.9 posts to qualify and 2 posts in main thread. Anyone who didnt get at least these qualifications would get 0 payment IMO.

Of course this is just how I would do it. Notaek will handle it how he feels is proper.

In my opinion that's honestly the best way to do it. Why pay for people who didn't even get enough posts in the ophion thread in 6 days.Were they just gonna spam 3 posts in the option thread on the last day.

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May 21, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
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If I'm notaek I would personally apply every single rule in the campaign with a pro rated number as far as posts. Campaign was halted 1 day short of payday. Basically you'd need 2.15 posts on average per day so on 6 days you would need 12.9 posts to qualify and 2 posts in main thread. Anyone who didnt get at least these qualifications would get 0 payment IMO.

Of course this is just how I would do it. Notaek will handle it how he feels is proper.
In my opinion that's honestly the best way to do it. Why pay for people who didn't even get enough posts in the ophion thread in 6 days.Were they just gonna spam 3 posts in the option thread on the last day.
For the 13/15 posts minimum, it's not going to make a difference. Those who failed the quota failed with 12 or less posts, hence none of them will switch from unpaid to paid when taking the factor into account (I checked that previously myself).
As for the 3 post rule, honestly, I think this was a bullshit rule, that's why I ignored it in my sheet. However, the decision is up to notaek, which I told him when he asked for my advice regarding the rule.

You can make a reasonable argument for both sides.
I don't think you have to pay them, although I think it would be nice to.
In the end, it's not my money being spent on this, so that's really a decision up to you.


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May 21, 2016, 05:42:16 PM
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If I'm notaek I would personally apply every single rule in the campaign with a pro rated number as far as posts. Campaign was halted 1 day short of payday. Basically you'd need 2.15 posts on average per day so on 6 days you would need 12.9 posts to qualify and 2 posts in main thread. Anyone who didnt get at least these qualifications would get 0 payment IMO.

Of course this is just how I would do it. Notaek will handle it how he feels is proper.
In actually they are two days , Luptin didn't count my yesterday's posts , and there are same cases for other members , but for sure no one knew that the campaign will halt , we didn't break the rules because the rule say 15 posts minimum in all the week , even they ignored other rule , so why they didn't ignore this rule also to be fair ?
In my opinion all participants must be paid due to their post's quality not to their post's number .

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May 21, 2016, 05:45:59 PM
 #159

In my opinion all participants must be paid due to their post's quality not to their poet's number .
If I was to take post quality into account, almost none of you would have made the quota (according to my standards).
Since this wasn't my campaign to manage though, I opted for the pure quantity way, as that one is more objective.



Again, my spreadsheet is just a suggestion, based on my views and my thoughts on how to continue.
It's up to notaek to decide if he wants to go through with it or go down another path.


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May 21, 2016, 05:47:11 PM
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Hi OP
If I have any payments in this campaign I wanted to give it back to them (investors)
I will remove signatures Now thank  Smiley

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