Them BFL Cowboys

[Entropy-uc]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Shipping?  Really?  Do you have one?  What's your tracking number?

Call me when you can order from them and get a tracking number the same day.

BTW:  Do you understand that the power miss they are talking about probably means they cannot use the board design they have shown because the power density will be too high to cool properly?  It's not a small issue.  There is a reason Avalon boards have their chips so widely separated.

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[creativex]

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?

Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.

I hope this message has addressed some of your questions.


Regards,
Nasser

What is Nasser's full name?

LOL.  He is calling the gear Kano photographed "high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly".  LMAO.  

Notice he carefully he says nothing.

"Someone mentioned the backlog is already 5,000"  - he isn't saying what the backlog actually is, he's just citing 'someone'.  Maybe it's 50,000.  He doesn't commit himself to anything.  Probably they don't even know since their order system is such a disaster.

"On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public."

Again, notice that 500 / day is a for instance, not a statement of what they can do.

These guys are so full of crap.  Tomorrow they are going to desperately try to stem the tide of refund requests before they go bankrupt.  I suggest anyone who can think for themselves consider if they want to try to get their money back before or after insolvency.

They pull those word games constantly and it's very disturbing. To someone casually reading the statement "We've scheduled shipments for October" it appears to read "We will ship in October", but it doesn't mean the same thing. Their statements are similar to those you get from banksters, they're inefficiently worded and it's done intentionally so that the statements mean nothing.

[Unacceptable]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Shipping?  Really?  Do you have one?  What's your tracking number?

Call me when you can order from them and get a tracking number the same day.

BTW:  Do you understand that the power miss they are talking about probably means they cannot use the board design they have shown because the power density will be too high to cool properly?  It's not a small issue.  There is a reason Avalon boards have their chips so widely separated.

Where are those Avalon same day tracking #'s for batch 3 orders,hhmmmm,or even batch 2 orders,hhmmmmm,let me see,hhmmmmm 

Yeah,yeah,at least they shipped,I know the drill 

[Red_Evil]

Mid of April we will know more !

BFL's FPGA need 6.5 month too if you remember

[polrpaul]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Wow, are you a sheep! BFL is shipping? When, next week? Yes, I have heard this several times before = bullshit to buy more time.

Nobody will see a BFL ASIC in the month of April -  mark my words.

[creativex]

They're not serious about shipping till they request FPGA trade-in customers send their gear in, and as far as I know that hasn't happened yet.

Talk is cheap.

[smoothie]

If any of you BFL fan boys haven't already notice....BFL is in the stage of stringing their investors along (like is done in a ponzi scheme)...they are hoping more investor money comes in so they can pay off the previous investors and their "orders". If no new investor money comes in (more than previous batch) it all falls apart.

this wholeBFL ordeal stinks of the Pirateat40 drama.

Stock up on your popcorn, I have an inkling before the end of 2013 drama fireworks will be flying very near BFL.

[mobodick]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Ahahaha LOL

Suure, now they're shipping..

[creativex]

Worst case power consumption is now apparently 195w for a single SC. More than 3x advertised. Do these people ever tell the truth?

Scarier still is that Josh's worst case estimates often turn out to be the nearer to best case.

[Frizz23]

Worst case power consumption is now apparently 195w for a single SC. More than 3x advertised. Do these people ever tell the truth?

Scarier still is that Josh's worst case estimates often turn out to be the nearer to best case.

I wouldn't wanna be a batch #1 customers. Don't wanna be a guinea pig.

195W for such a tiny case, such a tiny heatsink and such a tiny fan - how is that supposed to work?

195W is about the same amount of power a 7970s uses - and they have huge heat sinks.

[CoinHoarder]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Ahahaha LOL

Suure, now they're shipping..

No, now they said they're gonna ship next week.

I think they've said that about 10 times at least.

[beekeeper]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Ahahaha LOL

Suure, now they're shipping..

No, now they said they're gonna ship next week.

I think they've said that about 10 times at least.

I read Josh posts, he agreed they didn't manage to build a SC Single yet, only prototypes with random characteristics. IMO it would be adventurous to talk about shipping date without a finished stable product in hands.

[greyhawk]

We are trying to nail it down. We have some boards at 1.76w, some at 2.5 and some at 4 and one at 6

Love how the power numbers are all over the place. entropy, how high are the chances of one of these thing blowing up in someone's face?

[zedicus]

They're not serious about shipping till they request FPGA trade-in customers send their gear in, and as far as I know that hasn't happened yet.

Talk is cheap.

waaaa, yo kung fu very good!





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Have they really said they would ship next week like 10 times???

---people still talking about power, hash-rate, chip design and sh**..

I would imagine being a BFL customer feels likes like getting an arse whoopin while being stuck in a loop shadow boxing yourself and in your mind your calculating what to do if and when and how your gonna kick his arse ... But there is nobody there!

Its like some clint eastwood s*** at the republican convention ..

the miner, i mean fighter in a chair and people are saying look at the reach and their walking up to the chair and measuring the reach and then screaming out yeah buddy long arms for sure!! Better plan on staying inside and uppercutting..
 

Let them deliver 1 miner , 1 video, ANYTHING before people continue with round 8 of shadowboxing!

I cant believe its been that long .. How have people who have ordered not gone ape s***!

Its the 10th time they said they are shipping? looks like power bait and they are looking for trout!


 


 
 

[greyhawk]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

You're cute. Here's where I remind you the total amount of finished wafers is 1 (one) <- That's the small number representing a single thing.

With all the rushed dicing and testing and what have you that comes out to maybe a couple a hundred chips.

All the other wafers are unfinished. They still need to get their final layers, need to get cut, need to get bumped and need to get packaged.

Last time this took two months. Last time they had at least a vague schedule. This time they're "Oh, hey, I think we're good now, can you finish our wafers real quick? Oh, you're booked out for 4-6 weeks? That's a bummer."

[Red_Evil]

Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

You're cute. Here's where I remind you the total amount of finished wafers is 1 (one) <- That's the small number representing a single thing.

With all the rushed dicing and testing and what have you that comes out to maybe a couple a hundred chips.

All the other wafers are unfinished. They still need to get their final layers, need to get cut, need to get bumped and need to get packaged.

Last time this took two months. Last time they had at least a vague schedule. This time they're "Oh, hey, I think we're good now, can you finish our wafers real quick? Oh, you're booked out for 4-6 weeks? That's a bummer."

+1
And if they think they can shipped next week  we missed the mail for upgrader so they doesnt know it imo.... Only a new failed timeline and a new delay from a month ...

[Entropy-uc]

We are trying to nail it down. We have some boards at 1.76w, some at 2.5 and some at 4 and one at 6

Love how the power numbers are all over the place. entropy, how high are the chances of one of these thing blowing up in someone's face?

It isn't that bad.  If they shipped with the kind of number Josh is talking, fires are a real possibility.  You may remember videos of AMD cpus catching fire back in 2002-2003 time frame.

But I don't think they are stupid enough to ship.  If they had working test sockets (they don't) they could sort packages, and maybe build some mini-singles to ship.  But their yield loss is going to be catastrophic.  And even a mini-single is going to sound like a blender with the fan speed required.  And probably hash well under specification.

Remember what a pentium 4 sounded like when it was working hard?  That is less power then they are talking about.  And Intel spent about ... well I can't say that.  But we spent hundreds of engineer years getting the cooling solution right for those beasts.

[greyhawk]

We are trying to nail it down. We have some boards at 1.76w, some at 2.5 and some at 4 and one at 6

Love how the power numbers are all over the place. entropy, how high are the chances of one of these thing blowing up in someone's face?

It isn't that bad.  If they shipped with the kind of number Josh is talking, fires are a real possibility.  You may remember videos of AMD cpus catching fire back in 2002-2003 time frame.

Right, the Thunderbirds. Those were neat. Instant heat death.

[2112]

Right, the Thunderbirds. Those were neat. Instant heat death.

I kinda recall that to have the AMD Athlon release the smoke one had to remove the cooler? I worked more with Intel Itanium and Itanium 2 machines and those indeed were beastly: the CPU replacement required the wrenches from the car mechanic's toolset.

[greyhawk]

I love the heatsink holder design for the i3. The sound they make when putting them in is very satisfying like typing on a Model M. Cronk-crunk-cronk