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Question: Is Bitcoin Anonymous Enough For You?
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June 08, 2016, 07:48:09 AM
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I think bitcoin anonymous is enough for me, because we no need verification or doing something to use bitcoin, not like paypal, you need verification your profile and credit card. it's not anonymous.
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June 08, 2016, 07:48:46 AM
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For me, anonymity does not matter too much. I bought things from online stores. They know my address anyway.
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June 08, 2016, 07:49:08 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?
yeah i think its good enough. Yes, i know its still possibly to back trace from blockchain but its pretty hard if you use multiple addresses and to be more anonymous use a bitcoin mixer. I am not doing anything "illegal" with bitcoin so I don't need to be worried much
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June 08, 2016, 07:49:18 AM
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Anonymity is not the main reason why I am into bitcoin. I just like the technology and since I have no transactions in which I need to be anonymous about at the present, it doesn't concern me that much. What I want improvement on is the confirmation time, though. There must be a better way to make things more efficient.
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June 08, 2016, 07:49:49 AM
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For me it is complete anonymous. You cant tell my address of cold storage wallets. Only my spending wallet addresses arr visible. No body knows how much i m holding. During tx don't include outputs from address tagged to you.

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June 08, 2016, 09:15:47 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?

I think bitcoin anonymous enough for me, because I am dealing with bitcoin without being able to be tracked. But you have to use it addreas bitcoin only one of each transaction to keep your anonymous. Thank you
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June 08, 2016, 11:28:52 AM
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It is not dumb that n00bs don't know the technology and game theory economics. What is dumb is when n00bs (such as the Bitcoin maximalist comments in this thread) think they know something about an issue that is far too complex for them to be comprehend without deep research that they are unwilling or incapable of doing. This is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

So many dumb comments in this thread by Bitcoin maximalists who will invent any excuse possible to remain in denial of the fact that
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For me it is complete anonymous. You cant tell my address of cold storage wallets. Only my spending wallet addresses arr visible. No body knows how much i m holding. During tx don't include outputs from address tagged to you.

I just like the technology and since I have no transactions in which I need to be anonymous about at the present, it doesn't concern me that much.

I think bitcoin anonymous enough for me, because I am dealing with bitcoin without being able to be tracked. But you have to use it addreas bitcoin only one of each transaction to keep your anonymous. Thank you

yeah i think its good enough. Yes, i know its still possibly to back trace from blockchain but its pretty hard if you use multiple addresses and to be more anonymous use a bitcoin mixer. I am not doing anything "illegal" with bitcoin so I don't need to be worried much

For me, anonymity does not matter too much. I bought things from online stores. They know my address anyway.

I think bitcoin anonymous is enough for me, because we no need verification or doing something to use bitcoin, not like paypal, you need verification your profile and credit card. it's not anonymous.

Bitcoin still anonymous for me,Bitcoin wallet didnt require id for verification its account not like Paypal. Paypal need verification to able to use its other feature.

I don't have time nor desire to constantly run my coins through a mixing service so as to cover my tracks. For Bitcoin to be completely anonymous people have to only use websites that don't ask for personal information and don't use any exchanges or Bitcoin debit cards to withdraw funds and only seek private sellers. However I would like to say that for my needs Bitcoin is anonymous enough as I don't partake in shady deals nor do I purchase any illegal goods online so I actually don't care much about who has been stalking me.

I dont need to hide my transactions, it's good enough for me.

It would be hypocritical to pay with debit cards/credit cards (which are even less anonymous, and then complain about bitcoin privacy.

For me its anonymous enough because I do not do stupid things with it to be honest and you can still mix it right so its no problem..

All of the above comments are very naive and incorrect. Using multiple addresses and mixing servers doesn't necessarily make your identity unlinkable, as explained in the following quote.

And you say you don't need privacy, but when anyone can see what and when you've been buying things and publish that information loud and clear to everyone on the Internet, do you really want your grandmother to know you've been buying subscription to Playboy?

Do you want all of your finances to be public knowledge?

Credit cards and websites knowing your identity doesn't reveal your financial data in public. But BitCON does!

And it gets even worse if you are talking about obscuring your financial data from national security agencies, which also might have corrupt employees who use your information in illegal ways. Don't forget how the TSA employees were caught masturbating to the nude xray scans at the airports. Extortion is a possibility, tipping off criminal gangs as to your whereabouts and financial standing, etc...


People using Bitcoin to move funds around thinking that if they've used a mixer then they are anonymous. They will be sad to later find out that all those mixers were compromised by meta data and/or infiltration. Bitcoin is a trap laid to entrap those who are easily duped on the technological capabilities. The only known technology that might be anonymous is Monero, but there are several problems to avoid: a) Monero allows overlapping rings, so via combinatorial analysis, your anonymity might be unmasked, especially if the rings were Sybil attacked, and b) your IP address was traceable across mixes. The mitigating actions are to mix Monero numerous times (other mixers can be infiltrated so don't use them!), and to not rely on I2P nor Tor, instead use an entirely virgin device that you never use for non-anonymous Internet activity and connect over an unregistered WiFi connection and far from your normal place of residence or work. And don't bring your smart phone nor GPS tracked vehicle with you while accessing the remote unregistered WiFi hotspot.


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/g20-blames-your-psychological-problems-for-their-failure/

    “The G20 reiterates the high priority it attaches to financial transparency and effective implementation of the standards on transparency by all, in particular with regard to the beneficial ownership of legal persons and legal arrangements.  Improving the transparency of the beneficial ownership of legal persons and legal arrangements is vital to protect the integrity of the international financial system, and to prevent misuse of these entities and arrangements for corruption, tax evasion, terrorist financing and money laundering.

    The G20 reiterates that it is essential that all countries and jurisdictions fully implement the FATF standards on transparency and beneficial ownership of legal persons and legal arrangements and we express our determination to lead by example in this regard.   We particularly stress the importance of countries and jurisdictions improving the availability of beneficial ownership information to, and its international exchange between, competent authorities for the purposes of tackling tax evasion, terrorist financing and money laundering. We ask the FATF and the Global Forum on Transparency and Exchange of Information for Tax Purposes to make initial proposals by our October meeting on ways to improve the implementation of the international standards on transparency, including on the availability of beneficial ownership information, and its international exchange.”
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June 08, 2016, 09:51:08 PM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?

I think bitcoin anonymous enough for me, because I am dealing with bitcoin without being able to be tracked. But you have to use it addreas bitcoin only one of each transaction to keep your anonymous. Thank you

There is much more to bitcoin anonymity, than just changing addresses. But using one address for each transactions is a good start.

Bitcoin is NOT anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com
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June 22, 2016, 10:00:36 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?

I think bitcoin anonymous enough for me, because I am dealing with bitcoin without being able to be tracked. But you have to use it addreas bitcoin only one of each transaction to keep your anonymous. Thank you

There is much more to bitcoin anonymity, than just changing addresses. But using one address for each transactions is a good start.

When I receive funds for different sources, I use the different address. When I pay, I try to use a single address.
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June 22, 2016, 10:29:52 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?

yes.
for me bitcoin is more than anything that can be anonymous.
it is a little because i do not care that much about the anonymity and as long as my identity is not revealed to the public or place that i send bitcoin i am happy about it.

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June 22, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?

Yes it is anonymous enough for me because it is impossible for a user to identify who are actually using a specific address and dont have an idea what is the exact amount of btc that users are holding but i guess they will still have an improvements for bitcoin .
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June 23, 2016, 06:20:02 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

Do you want an anonymous crypto currency?

yes.
for me bitcoin is more than anything that can be anonymous.
it is a little because i do not care that much about the anonymity and as long as my identity is not revealed to the public or place that i send bitcoin i am happy about it.
Yes I think it is safe for me and anonymous too as my identification is not shown to anyone and no need of any personal details while making any wallets. So, it is easy to be anonymous as I believe protecting my identity is my freedom.
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June 23, 2016, 06:24:34 AM
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Would you, if asked, personally consider Bitcoin anonymous enough for your needs? Does it lack privacy features? Would you consider Bitcoin anonymous, semi-anonymous or transparent?

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bitcoin is more than anonymous for me.
i am not looking for 100% anonymity in bitcoin so i am fine with the current anonymity that bitcoin is offering. besides it is so easy to reach that 100% anonymity with bitcoin if i wish it so that is always an option like using a transparent mixer.

Weak hands have been complaining about missing out ever since bitcoin was $1 and never buy the dip.
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June 23, 2016, 06:31:56 AM
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It is not dumb that n00bs don't know the technology and game theory economics. What is dumb is when n00bs (such as the Bitcoin maximalist comments in this thread) think they know something about an issue that is far too complex for them to be comprehend without deep research that they are unwilling or incapable of doing. This is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

So many dumb comments in this thread by Bitcoin maximalists who will invent any excuse possible to remain in denial of the fact that
...

Applies to all of the following incorrect posts:


For me it is complete anonymous. You cant tell my address of cold storage wallets. Only my spending wallet addresses arr visible. No body knows how much i m holding. During tx don't include outputs from address tagged to you.

I just like the technology and since I have no transactions in which I need to be anonymous about at the present, it doesn't concern me that much.

I think bitcoin anonymous enough for me, because I am dealing with bitcoin without being able to be tracked. But you have to use it addreas bitcoin only one of each transaction to keep your anonymous. Thank you

yeah i think its good enough. Yes, i know its still possibly to back trace from blockchain but its pretty hard if you use multiple addresses and to be more anonymous use a bitcoin mixer. I am not doing anything "illegal" with bitcoin so I don't need to be worried much

For me, anonymity does not matter too much. I bought things from online stores. They know my address anyway.

I think bitcoin anonymous is enough for me, because we no need verification or doing something to use bitcoin, not like paypal, you need verification your profile and credit card. it's not anonymous.

Bitcoin still anonymous for me,Bitcoin wallet didnt require id for verification its account not like Paypal. Paypal need verification to able to use its other feature.

I don't have time nor desire to constantly run my coins through a mixing service so as to cover my tracks. For Bitcoin to be completely anonymous people have to only use websites that don't ask for personal information and don't use any exchanges or Bitcoin debit cards to withdraw funds and only seek private sellers. However I would like to say that for my needs Bitcoin is anonymous enough as I don't partake in shady deals nor do I purchase any illegal goods online so I actually don't care much about who has been stalking me.

I dont need to hide my transactions, it's good enough for me.

It would be hypocritical to pay with debit cards/credit cards (which are even less anonymous, and then complain about bitcoin privacy.

For me its anonymous enough because I do not do stupid things with it to be honest and you can still mix it right so its no problem..

All of the above comments are very naive and incorrect. Using multiple addresses and mixing servers doesn't necessarily make your identity unlinkable, as explained in the following quote.

And you say you don't need privacy, but when anyone can see what and when you've been buying things and publish that information loud and clear to everyone on the Internet, do you really want your grandmother to know you've been buying subscription to Playboy?

Do you want all of your finances to be public knowledge?

Credit cards and websites knowing your identity doesn't reveal your financial data in public. But BitCON does!

And it gets even worse if you are talking about obscuring your financial data from national security agencies, which also might have corrupt employees who use your information in illegal ways. Don't forget how the TSA employees were caught masturbating to the nude xray scans at the airports. Extortion is a possibility, tipping off criminal gangs as to your whereabouts and financial standing, etc...


People using Bitcoin to move funds around thinking that if they've used a mixer then they are anonymous. They will be sad to later find out that all those mixers were compromised by meta data and/or infiltration. Bitcoin is a trap laid to entrap those who are easily duped on the technological capabilities. The only known technology that might be anonymous is Monero, but there are several problems to avoid: a) Monero allows overlapping rings, so via combinatorial analysis, your anonymity might be unmasked, especially if the rings were Sybil attacked, and b) your IP address was traceable across mixes. The mitigating actions are to mix Monero numerous times (other mixers can be infiltrated so don't use them!), and to not rely on I2P nor Tor, instead use an entirely virgin device that you never use for non-anonymous Internet activity and connect over an unregistered WiFi connection and far from your normal place of residence or work. And don't bring your smart phone nor GPS tracked vehicle with you while accessing the remote unregistered WiFi hotspot.


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/g20-blames-your-psychological-problems-for-their-failure/

    “The G20 reiterates the high priority it attaches to financial transparency and effective implementation of the standards on transparency by all, in particular with regard to the beneficial ownership of legal persons and legal arrangements.  Improving the transparency of the beneficial ownership of legal persons and legal arrangements is vital to protect the integrity of the international financial system, and to prevent misuse of these entities and arrangements for corruption, tax evasion, terrorist financing and money laundering.

    The G20 reiterates that it is essential that all countries and jurisdictions fully implement the FATF standards on transparency and beneficial ownership of legal persons and legal arrangements and we express our determination to lead by example in this regard.   We particularly stress the importance of countries and jurisdictions improving the availability of beneficial ownership information to, and its international exchange between, competent authorities for the purposes of tackling tax evasion, terrorist financing and money laundering. We ask the FATF and the Global Forum on Transparency and Exchange of Information for Tax Purposes to make initial proposals by our October meeting on ways to improve the implementation of the international standards on transparency, including on the availability of beneficial ownership information, and its international exchange.”
Well, I like your an explanation, and finally, bitcoin is not an anonymous, it always needs to be showed your address and people can show you financial on your wallet. it's exactly with publishing your financial.

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June 23, 2016, 06:44:02 AM
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I think bitcoin anonymous is enough for me, because we no need verification or doing something to use bitcoin, not like paypal, you need verification your profile and credit card. it's not anonymous.
yeah the first to use bitcoin. You do not need to use any identity and that are the hallmarks of bitcoin? and you can also use a mixer so that people will not know the circulation of money. bitcoin address does not provide any identity and it makes you very anonymous #imo
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June 23, 2016, 06:48:51 AM
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Anonymity Bitcoin me is enough, because I have nothing to fear and skryvat.Da, I know that Bitcoin psevdoanonimen, but I do not care, I do not use it for illegal things.
If you are interested in a fully anonymous coin (such as a) you can take an interest for example coin "Monero", and the project "cryptonote" as a whole.
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June 23, 2016, 07:37:38 AM
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the anonymity of bitcoin is the last thing that i think about. so i am happy with bitcoin being pseudonymous. and if one day i want to reach the full anonymity it wouldn't be very hard.

This comment:
... mixing servers doesn't necessarily make your identity unlinkable, ...

if the mixing service is good and has transparent rules and also if you add proper fee and interval you can easily make your identity "unlinkable"!

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And you say you don't need privacy, but when anyone can see what and when you've been buying things and publish that information loud and clear to everyone on the Internet, do you really want your grandmother to know you've been buying subscription to Playboy?

this is a naive and incomplete comment, in this scenario my grandmother has know all my bitcoin addresses
here is the first problem because i am not announcing my bitcoin address to anyone who knows me personally what you see online as my bitcoin address is for my anonymous identity not me personally.

and checks all the transactions that i have made which is thousands of transactions, then checks the receiving bitcoin addresses in order to find out where i spend my coins.
then something that you are forgetting is that a service like playboy for instance doesn't give me 1PlayBoyMag..... as bitcoin address to send to. it is a random bitcoin address which is created just for me and in most cases these services are using something like bitpay which means i am paying it to bitpay and bitpay pays playboy so you won't know who i paid.

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June 23, 2016, 07:40:19 AM
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Not really, but then again I don't have anything to hide. That said, if there ever was a situation where I would want to protect my identity, I would look to other protocols like Z-cash that aim to provide complete tx privacy

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June 23, 2016, 08:11:05 AM
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I think yes, Bitcoin is enough anonymous for me. Especially now that there is such thing called multi signature wallet, so people won't who is the owner of a specific address.

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June 23, 2016, 08:13:03 AM
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Anonymity Bitcoin me is enough, because I have nothing to fear and skryvat.Da, I know that Bitcoin psevdoanonimen, but I do not care, I do not use it for illegal things.
If you are interested in a fully anonymous coin (such as a) you can take an interest for example coin "Monero", and the project "cryptonote" as a whole.
yeah that's right,as long we don't doing any illegal thing,pseudoanonymous doesn't really matter,there's no police going to trace good people

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