*SCAMMED* $100 by GREEN TRUST Member! User = kirch || UID = 92027

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User: kirch - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92027

Deal: $100 Giftrocket for $70 in Bitcoin. I had the giftrocket, was trading for his BTC.
What is a giftrocket?: A gift card which is straight money, that you can cashout straight to your bank account.

What went wrong?: kirch cashed out my Giftrocket and never sent me BTC. He said 3-24 hours and its been well past 48 hours. Kirch has been online yet has not responded to my PM's.

1) Giftrocket was cashed out at around 6 PM EST on June 13. I noticed around 7 PM and instantly PM'd him, asking if he just cashed out my $100. He denies it. Proof: https://gyazo.com/035870ec88d22739a87b4bc1c87fec87

2) I PM him again, asking again if he just cashed it out. I threatened to open a scam report, because he just clearly cashed it out right after I sent it to him, and now he is denying claiming. He responds with: https://gyazo.com/d9b8aea9d1abe18353dd39dd2cdbe692

3) I say ok.. I won't open it. I'll wait the 3-24 hours and see if you pay up. I PM him again, no response. 3 PM's now and nothing: https://gyazo.com/912e7e72e4f141a2701e1e18d614ea43

Proof Giftrocket is claimed: https://gyazo.com/5e8ddd821ed8470d115a20e7faaa49e3


Someone please tag with - trust. User is obviously scamming me and I needed that money. Good job bitcointalk, endorsing scammers by giving them green trust.

[yahoo62278]

Take a look all over this section of the forum and youll see many of the same types of deals happening. Your 1st mistake was not using an escrow. Your second mistake(as if the 1st 1 wasnt bad enough) was automatically trusting a user just because he is a hero member.

You should always use an escrow when making these types of trades as people buy ad sell accounts all the time here. You could also try and do a little research on a user and see if hes always been active or has any other recent trades that were successful.

[janggernaut]

Take a look all over this section of the forum and youll see many of the same types of deals happening. Your 1st mistake was not using an escrow. Your second mistake(as if the 1st 1 wasnt bad enough) was automatically trusting a user just because he is a hero member.

You should always use an escrow when making these types of trades as people buy ad sell accounts all the time here. You could also try and do a little research on a user and see if hes always been active or has any other recent trades that were successful.

His account still Sr.Member and i think the reason why OP didnt use escrow because kirch's account has green trust, so no need escrow ( but im agree 95% with yahoo's statement if we must always using escrow when dealing with someone (except hes very very trusted person))

[immangrace]

Scammed by a green trust member is really bad, although I always say escrow should have been used, green trust is a sign thet this user is trusted enough to bypass escrow.
Still OP's fault, should have used escrow, but the blame is also on user kirch for abusing his green trust status

[yahoo62278]

Scammed by a green trust member is really bad, although I always say escrow should have been used, green trust is a sign thet this user is trusted enough to bypass escrow.
Still OP's fault, should have used escrow, but the blame is also on user kirch for abusing his green trust status

Are you serious LMFAO? Green numbers dont mean a damn thing around here man. Means at some point the person had a few ppl trust the account but you dont know if theyre the original owner nowdays. As i stated before unless its someone super trusted and extremely active its always best to use escrow.

FYI even legendary and DT accounts are being auctioned off now days. DO NOT TRUST ANYONE unless you know for sure theyre legit and even then use escrow just for the protection.

[KWH]

You made the trade, you didn't follow basic trading guidelines and were scammed. Bitcointalk had nothing to do with your trade or actions but seems reasonable to blame the forum? 

[bazar165g]

a guy from 2013 , woo..so sad , that they are scamming in-spite of being trusted. That is why i dont trust these guys even if they have green trust , ever if i need to trade then i will use escrow and only with Ognasty , vod Or Monbux.
Sorry For your Loss OP!

[kirch]

I have NOT scammed any one..I told him that I need to confirm the deposit before paying..
The moment he sent me the card..he starting bugging me that he will open scam report and not even waited for me to respond

The OP should have considered the time zone difference and waited enough for response

I INSISTED OP TO USE ESCROW.BUT HE HAS NOT.I HAVE NOT SCAMMED ANY ONE AND I WANTED TO BE SAFE  COS MOST GIFT CARDS SOLD HERE ARE CARDED AND I HAVE ALREADY BEEN SCAMMED COUPLE OF TIMES HERE

All thise who commented here and left a neg rep..

Check the skype Screeshot and come to opinion if I  have intention of scamming.I see redflags and be sure /protect by self from getting scammed

[KenR]

Rule Number 1: Don't deal with green trusted members just because they have a green trust.You know the accounts are heavily sold here regardless of their trust.

Rule Number 2 : Why haven't you used an escrow ? Over confidence much ?

Rule Number 3 : Gift card trades are risky.You should have never went first.

[kirch]

Rule Number 1: Don't deal with green trusted members just because they have a green trust.You know the accounts are heavily sold here regardless of their trust.

Rule Number 2 : Why haven't you used an escrow ? Over confidence much ?

Rule Number 3 : Gift card trades are risky.You should have never went first.

Pls check my reply again..I have updated
The OP is not sure of the card and he wanted me to 'Take a Chance' !

[EcuaMobi]

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So you're waiting for a while before paying the BTC? Did you redeem the card or not?
Do you realize how poor your communication is? You had to clearly tell him whether or not you redeem the card and how long he'll have to wait for his payment before even starting the deal.
So how are things standing now? Are you still waiting? Will you pay OP?

And one last thing: if you suspect someone is selling carded stuff just don't deal with that person at all.

[glorywhole]

Sorry for your loss, OP

[jackg]

Doing a $70/BTC Trade is uite expensive and not wort the value of that account (I don't think, based on an idea that a Sr Member account with good trust is worth around 0.1BTC and $70 is around 0.15BTC).

[kirch]

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So you're waiting for a while before paying the BTC? Did you redeem the card or not?
Do you realize how poor your communication is? You had to clearly tell him whether or not you redeem the card and how long he'll have to wait for his payment before even starting the deal.
So how are things standing now? Are you still waiting? Will you pay OP?

And one last thing: if you suspect someone is selling carded stuff just don't deal with that person at all.

I did this before and the money is deposited to bank ,the next day or some times shows as pending /processing in my account if it done during bank hrs
But even after 24 hrs,I have not received into my bank.I contacted the bank and they told to find out with sender..I don't have any info from senders part..expect a link to redeem.So I have to wait till I see the transfer in the bank.I don't know if it will come through or blocked by sending inst.
I have told the OP till I get confirmation

I have not said I suspected  ..I just want to be sure it is not carded as there are many instances of people getting scammed with carded gift cards

[AleScamHole]

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So you're waiting for a while before paying the BTC? Did you redeem the card or not?
Do you realize how poor your communication is? You had to clearly tell him whether or not you redeem the card and how long he'll have to wait for his payment before even starting the deal.
So how are things standing now? Are you still waiting? Will you pay OP?

And one last thing: if you suspect someone is selling carded stuff just don't deal with that person at all.

I did this before and the money is deposited to bank ,the next day or some times shows as pending /processing in my account if it done during bank hrs
But even after 24 hrs,I have not received into my bank.I contacted the bank and they told to find out with sender..I don't have any info from senders part..expect a link to redeem.So I have to wait till I see the transfer in the bank.I don't know if it will come through or blocked by sending inst.
I have told the OP till I get confirmation

I have not said I suspected  ..I just want to be sure it is not carded as there are many instances of people getting scammed with carded gift cards

ya you got busted scamming, now your trying to make up the cash to save face.
damage is done dude, even if you pay him back you basically took a loan under false pretense here.
too bad game over, 70$ worth your account? apparently. 
i see alot of "green trust" members with ratings so old and obscure, escrow guys, or cry later ;\

[Leave]

Message from OP

Kirch is most likely scamming, although I'll give him until tomorrow before this is final. The giftrocket was cashed out 3 days ago. Bank transfer take no longer then 4 days. If tomorrow I do not receive the money, this stays up for good.

We agreed that he pays $70 of the $100 if he pays instantly, or $80 if I wait for the money to arrive in his bank. Kirch now owes me $80 instead of $70 for waiting for the money to arrive, even though he communicated to me clearly that he can pay within max 24 hours.

[killerjoegreece]

Message from OP

Kirch is most likely scamming, although I'll give him until tomorrow before this is final. The giftrocket was cashed out 3 days ago. Bank transfer take no longer then 4 days. If tomorrow I do not receive the money, this stays up for good.

We agreed that he pays $70 of the $100 if he pays instantly, or $80 if I wait for the money to arrive in his bank. Kirch now owes me $80 instead of $70 for waiting for the money to arrive, even though he communicated to me clearly that he can pay within max 24 hours.

i hope this matter gets settled for you

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Take a look all over this section of the forum and youll see many of the same types of deals happening. Your 1st mistake was not using an escrow. Your second mistake(as if the 1st 1 wasnt bad enough) was automatically trusting a user just because he is a hero member.

You should always use an escrow when making these types of trades as people buy ad sell accounts all the time here. You could also try and do a little research on a user and see if hes always been active or has any other recent trades that were successful.

Yup, I did exactly this earlier this year.  Just because someone has a hero or legendary account or green trust doesn't mean you can trust them.  Accounts are sold here all the time.   Sorry for your loss OP.

[Benoit2]

hey kirch why you can response here and not my PMs?
This guy is ignoring me since 2 days i sended him alot of PMs waiting for a response dont know what i did wrong.
i guess this user is a Big BIG Timewaster and apparently a scammer.

[kirch]

hey kirch why you can response here and not my PMs?
This guy is ignoring me since 2 days i sended him alot of PMs waiting for a response dont know what i did wrong.
i guess this user is a Big BIG Timewaster and apparently a scammer.

Shut the fuck up..have I bought anything from you ??
you offered me to sell chaturbate account with 4000 tokens and told me that it was your own account and want to sell as you need urgent cash..but when I asked you to send me order proofs,you bought tokens and send me the screenshot..and you have admitted that you have bought with a stolen credit cand assured  that they will not be reversed..I said I I am not interested in carded stuff..still you were begging to buy it..I told you to contact me later as I was not interested..you have PMed me begging to buy..I chose to IGNORE..


I have not bought anything from you nor sold any.NOW shut the fuck up and  don't bug me again