[SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version)

[actmyname]

Write in local forums is considered spammers I do not understand this type of classification. Just in the campaign not accept posts in local forums. I write 99% in the forum of my native language, so I am considered spammers and are placed on a blacklist ?? I did not understand.

I don't see the problem with regulating the traffic that you're going to get for a campaign. An advertiser wouldn't want their English-based advertisement to show up in China, would they?

If there's an issue with that, then simply seek out a campaign that /does/ allow it. If there are none available, then don't do a campaign. Or... learn English, since those sections are where most discussions are held.


Unfortunately, AFAIK, most campaign managers speak English and not every single language in the Local section. There would be no way to monitor quality unless you knew the language well, and I'm sure that 99.99% of users here don't know all of those languages.

[Googlulinks]

Write in local forums is considered spammers I do not understand this type of classification. Just in the campaign not accept posts in local forums. I write 99% in the forum of my native language, so I am considered spammers and are placed on a blacklist ?? I did not understand.

I don't see the problem with regulating the traffic that you're going to get for a campaign. An advertiser wouldn't want their English-based advertisement to show up in China, would they?

If there's an issue with that, then simply seek out a campaign that /does/ allow it. If there are none available, then don't do a campaign. Or... learn English, since those sections are where most discussions are held.


Unfortunately, AFAIK, most campaign managers speak English and not every single language in the Local section. There would be no way to monitor quality unless you knew the language well, and I'm sure that 99.99% of users here don't know all of those languages.

Okay, so why the campaign does not prohibit posts in other languages?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Dude, here we go.  You are cosecushitposting where 1/2-1 shitpost will suffice.  How much did you pay for that account?

Glad to see action being taken.  I think anything is good at this point.

Belated congrats to Lutpin for leveling up to hero.

Edit:  Well you're the only one consecuposting here.  (Yes you, Googlulinks)

[Googlulinks]

Dude, here we go.  You are cosecushitposting where 1/2-1 shitpost will suffice.  How much did you pay for that account?

Glad to see action being taken.  I think anything is good at this point.

Belated congrats to Lutpin for leveling up to hero.

Are you talking to me ??

Edit: Ok Pharmacist. But this account is mine from the beginning, I did not pay for it. I have it for almost three years. I'm in the forum before you.


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[rizzlarolla]

...most campaign managers speak English... There would be no way to monitor quality unless you knew the language well...

Seems some managers struggle to comprehend English.
Anemed, copy paste history shitposting farmed account, accepted to (SMAS) campaign
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1648941.msg16769054#msg16769054

My "friend" bbc.reporter, real person, good posts, denied. (SMAS)

Will you consider a full member with good posts?

No sorry

[Jhanzo]

...most campaign managers speak English... There would be no way to monitor quality unless you knew the language well...

Seems some managers struggle to comprehend English.
Anemed, copy paste history shitposting farmed account, accepted to (SMAS) campaign
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1648941.msg16769054#msg16769054

My "friend" bbc.reporter, real person, good posts, denied. (SMAS)

Will you consider a full member with good posts?

No sorry

The second part is because the campaign only accepts Sr members and above.  I agree that some campaign managers (not necessarily in SMAS, not gonna name them) tend to marks a post as good without even trying to find if it has been said before in one way or another.

@Googlulinks
Being here longer doesn't make you right.  You obviously didn't know the rules.

[Lauda]

Write in local forums is considered spammers

For me, there are two types of spammers:
1) Those that spam with low quality posts in English (either repetitive content, posting in burst and such)
2) Abusing/breaking the rules since the counting and payment is automatic.
For Bitmixer campaign both go on the blacklist. Different campaigns would be treated differently obviously.

I agree that some campaign managers (not necessarily in SMAS, not gonna name them) tend to marks a post as good without even trying to find if it has been said before in one way or another.

I'm pretty sure that this is not the case with SMAS (you could argue that it is for Bitmixer since counting is automatic). If these *other* managers were participating in a group project like this, that would severely cut down spam.

[DimensionZ]

Isn't it funny how campaign managers who aren't native English speakers are judging other forum users' ability to write in fluent English? Because it's obvious who is and who isn't. I call this double standards.

[Lauda]

Isn't it funny how campaign managers who aren't native English speakers are judging other forum users' ability to write in fluent English? Because it's obvious who is and who isn't. I call this double standards.

Where's the double standard in that? This is exactly what you're going to encounter pretty much everywhere outside of the countries in which English is the primary language: Non native English speakers judging your ability to speak English (school, certification, etc.). This solely depends on the skill level of the person doing the *judging* (or evaluation).

[3JOH22A]

For my opinion, Must OP Mark then made some list? There like blaming "I'm Guess"
Simply, If you're have manage signature campaign, Then looking for people like hunt for take paid by "Signature Campaign" Just let it, Then not count this as valid. Participation must have long words for this? Then how about thead was take 100 Page opinion Then him repeat post have others, Just add a little words.  That's will be valid?

For me, spams are short phrases, such as "hello, good, nice, cool" Do not you think?

Right, I Aggre for this statement, But why we can't post "hello, good, nice, cool,thanks,loveyou,received,1BTC,10BTC" ? Or you will be soon as "SMAS" *LOL*

[Lutpin]

For my opinion, Must OP Mark then made some list? There like blaming "I'm Guess"

Sorry, I don't get what you're saying.
The first part means "In my opinion", but what are you trying to say with the rest?

Simply, If you're have manage signature campaign, Then looking for people like hunt for take paid by "Signature Campaign" Just let it, Then not count this as valid.

Ignoring spam doesn't remove it. Ignoring problems doesn't solve them. Things have been ignored for too long.

For me, spams are short phrases, such as "hello, good, nice, cool" Do not you think?

Right, I Aggre for this statement

Spam can be many things, a short answer doesn't have to be spam and spam doesn't always come in the form of short posts.

Then how about thead was take 100 Page opinion Then him repeat post have others, Just add a little words.  That's will be valid?

No, that will get you banned for copy&pasting, no matter how good you're trying to hide it.

[yahoo62278]

Im not disqualifying local posters from my campaigns guys. Im not saying all local posters are spammers either. I personally am about to hire 5-10 users to only post in certain local sections as requested by the owner.

What happens with alot of local board posters though, is they try to post in english sections. Its very hard to understand what some users post due to their broken english. A user who doesnt speak or type good english shouldnt be paid for their posting. It just looks terrible.

Most of the companies would love to have users posting in local sections and getting their advertisement seen by the whole world. Theyre not only looking for business from english speaking nations and theyre not discriminating.

The forum has sections outlined for almost every single language. If youre needed for a certain language then we( the managers) will post that we need xx amount of users that frequent the india board. Or whatever board we may need, but we do not need users applying for campaigns in english speaking boards from users that have very bad english.

Users want to bitch about how bad the forum looks, but when we try to make an effort to clean it up a little it seems like only more people get pissed off. Sorry but we feel our actions we are taking are correct and we will continue to try and do our part in cleaning up some of the trash.

All of you guys that seem to be butthurt over this or that happening can start placing the blame on some of your comrades. If non english speaking users or lazy english speaking users werent copypasting or looking only for a paycheck this shit wouldnt be happening.

[Lutpin]

Im not disqualifying local posters from my campaigns guys. Im not saying all local posters are spammers either. I personally am about to hire 5-10 users to only post in certain local sections as requested by the owner.

Unfortunately, AFAIK, most campaign managers speak English and not every single language in the Local section. There would be no way to monitor quality unless you knew the language well, and I'm sure that 99.99% of users here don't know all of those languages.

I've been enrolling users from and paying for posts written in the german sub section in the past.
I did this with Crypto-Games.net for a time and also during my time managing WhyFuture.
I could do so because my knowledge of the german language is sufficient to determine which posts are constructive and wich are not.
I wouldn't have done this with any other language I don't understand or I don't feel comfortable with.

Glad to see action being taken. I think anything is good at this point.
Belated congrats to Lutpin for leveling up to hero.

Thanks. For both.

[botany]

Write in local forums is considered spammers I do not understand this type of classification. Just in the campaign not accept posts in local forums. I write 99% in the forum of my native language, so I am considered spammers and are placed on a blacklist ?? I did not understand.

People who post primarily in native languages can be excluded from campaigns can be excluded from signature campaigns, because that might not be considered the target audience.
The problem only comes when they are labeled spammers... People may have problems with the terminology.

[LTU_btc]

Write in local forums is considered spammers I do not understand this type of classification. Just in the campaign not accept posts in local forums. I write 99% in the forum of my native language, so I am considered spammers and are placed on a blacklist ?? I did not understand.

People who post primarily in native languages can be excluded from campaigns can be excluded from signature campaigns, because that might not be considered the target audience.
The problem only comes when they are labeled spammers... People may have problems with the terminology.

But look at Bitmixer.io campaign rules. There isn't mentioned that users who are making majority of their posts in local boards can be banned. So, why they were removed from campaign? Because campaign manager can't understand their language?

[Lauda]

But look at Bitmixer.io campaign rules. There isn't mentioned that users who are making majority of their posts in local boards can be banned. So, why they were removed from campaign? Because campaign manager can't understand their language?

The rule is very clear, don't blame me if you can't properly interpret it:

Rules:
- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count).

Users have been abusing this because the campaign was unmanaged, and I have put a stop to this.

[LTU_btc]

But look at Bitmixer.io campaign rules. There isn't mentioned that users who are making majority of their posts in local boards can be banned. So, why they were removed from campaign? Because campaign manager can't understand their language?

The rule is very clear, don't blame me if you can't properly interpret it:

Rules:
- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count).

Users have been abusing this because the campaign was unmanaged, and I have put a stop to this.

Sorry, my bad. I support these actions against scam. But I don't think that SMAS will have affect to forum post quality. Removed users will join other campaigns (there are full of it, paying in altcoins) and will continue to spam. But it's better try to fight against them than don't do anything.

[Lutpin]

Sorry, my bad. I support these actions against scam.

It's spam we're talking about. Scams are a whole other thing.

But I don't think that SMAS will have affect to forum post quality. Removed users will join other campaigns (there are full of it, paying in altcoins) and will continue to spam.

As long as other campaigns keep enrolling those members kicked from smas campaigns/listed on the smas banlist, they might continue to do so.
Our goal is not only to ban users from our own campaigns, but also to raise awareness. Ideally, other campaigns would adapt to the list or start maintaining their own.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snip>they try to post in english sections. Its very hard to understand what some users post due to their broken english. A user who doesnt speak or type good english shouldnt be paid for their posting. It just looks terrible.<snip>

This sums up my feelings exactly, and when you combine posts that have very little thought put into them, very little content and that don't add anything to a thread with broken English, you get put on ignore.  Those posts are absolutely horrible.

And I respect polyglots fully.  But 85% of posts on this forum are garbage anyway.  Do you really think I want to spend a millisecond more than I have to, to try to decipher what's being said?  Absolutely not.  Reading posts by people who write English poorly is like listening to a broken signal on the radio.  It's maddening.  And no offense to people for whom English is not the first language, but I don't want to read something that's poorly written.  And I would say that some campaign managers' first language isn't English, but they write it pretty well.  And they aren't shitposters.

[LTU_btc]

Sorry, my bad. I support these actions against scam.

It's spam we're talking about. Scams are a whole other thing.

But I don't think that SMAS will have affect to forum post quality. Removed users will join other campaigns (there are full of it, paying in altcoins) and will continue to spam.

As long as other campaigns keep enrolling those members kicked from smas campaigns/listed on the smas banlist, they might continue to do so.
Our goal is not only to ban users from our own campaigns, but also to raise awareness. Ideally, other campaigns would adapt to the list or start maintaining their own.

Word "scam" was only typing mistake. I understand difference.
I think problem is that some campaign managers don't care much about participants post quality. Like it was on Bitmixer campaign earlier. Users enrolls automatically and starts to spam without any control.