[SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version)

[lexuz]

1. buy and sell account

Yes, I've spent 4 years on this forum building up myself so that I can save an additional $10-20 per account sale. Don't you see how absurd this theory is?

2. put high rates as campaign manager

That is much better than random half-baked users, which don't give a damn about those campaigns, undermining the rates just to get the job.

3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

This can already happen with every campaign. Not specially relevant to SMAS.

And also by the times goes with this way open to other bitcoin forum compete with bitcointalk because by manipulation scheme the member of forum will leave the forum.

Slippery slope fallacy.

How can you can make campaign B compete with campaign A "easy for you all to put not active member in campaign A"

Can we stop with the useless conspiracy theories? I can't talk for the other managers, but I have a very strong opinion against market manipulation and attempts at bribing me. Not only would they lose the bribe (money), they'd be exposed and possibly sued (depending on information available).

It's stuff like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.msg15967038#msg15967038 and this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15645159#msg15645159 which adds credence to the conspiracy theories, and that's the short list.  What are we supposed to think?

If you really want your voices heard, I suggest working together to start the Sig Camp Members Union to protect the rights of anyone who wishes to spam, shitpost or promote unethical businesses as if they were honest.  

lexuz would be a great spokesperson during the first 3 weeks of every month while cjmoles rested up for the fourth,

Who knows maybe a spammer is just a scenario, which is run by a group due with that they can get something.

[TwitchySeal]

1. buy and sell account

Yes, I've spent 4 years on this forum building up myself so that I can save an additional $10-20 per account sale. Don't you see how absurd this theory is?

2. put high rates as campaign manager

That is much better than random half-baked users, which don't give a damn about those campaigns, undermining the rates just to get the job.

3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

This can already happen with every campaign. Not specially relevant to SMAS.

And also by the times goes with this way open to other bitcoin forum compete with bitcointalk because by manipulation scheme the member of forum will leave the forum.

Slippery slope fallacy.

How can you can make campaign B compete with campaign A "easy for you all to put not active member in campaign A"

Can we stop with the useless conspiracy theories? I can't talk for the other managers, but I have a very strong opinion against market manipulation and attempts at bribing me. Not only would they lose the bribe (money), they'd be exposed and possibly sued (depending on information available).

It's stuff like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.msg15967038#msg15967038 and this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15645159#msg15645159 which adds credence to the conspiracy theories, and that's the short list.  What are we supposed to think?

If you really want your voices heard, I suggest working together to start the Sig Camp Members Union to protect the rights of anyone who wishes to spam, shitpost or promote unethical businesses as if they were honest.  

lexuz would be a great spokesperson during the first 3 weeks of every month while cjmoles rested up for the fourth,

Who knows maybe a spammer is just a scenario, which is run by a group due with that they can get something.

Who knows, maybe they just want to keep the forum from going to total shit?

[lexuz]

1. buy and sell account

Yes, I've spent 4 years on this forum building up myself so that I can save an additional $10-20 per account sale. Don't you see how absurd this theory is?

2. put high rates as campaign manager

That is much better than random half-baked users, which don't give a damn about those campaigns, undermining the rates just to get the job.

3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

This can already happen with every campaign. Not specially relevant to SMAS.

And also by the times goes with this way open to other bitcoin forum compete with bitcointalk because by manipulation scheme the member of forum will leave the forum.

Slippery slope fallacy.

How can you can make campaign B compete with campaign A "easy for you all to put not active member in campaign A"

Can we stop with the useless conspiracy theories? I can't talk for the other managers, but I have a very strong opinion against market manipulation and attempts at bribing me. Not only would they lose the bribe (money), they'd be exposed and possibly sued (depending on information available).

It's stuff like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.msg15967038#msg15967038 and this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15645159#msg15645159 which adds credence to the conspiracy theories, and that's the short list.  What are we supposed to think?

If you really want your voices heard, I suggest working together to start the Sig Camp Members Union to protect the rights of anyone who wishes to spam, shitpost or promote unethical businesses as if they were honest.  

lexuz would be a great spokesperson during the first 3 weeks of every month while cjmoles rested up for the fourth,

Who knows maybe a spammer is just a scenario, which is run by a group due with that they can get something.

Who knows, maybe they just want to keep the forum from going to total shit?

Total shit then came scenarios "hero of cleanliness"?

[Your Point Is Invalid]

1. buy and sell account

Yes, I've spent 4 years on this forum building up myself so that I can save an additional $10-20 per account sale. Don't you see how absurd this theory is?

2. put high rates as campaign manager

That is much better than random half-baked users, which don't give a damn about those campaigns, undermining the rates just to get the job.

3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

This can already happen with every campaign. Not specially relevant to SMAS.

And also by the times goes with this way open to other bitcoin forum compete with bitcointalk because by manipulation scheme the member of forum will leave the forum.

Slippery slope fallacy.

How can you can make campaign B compete with campaign A "easy for you all to put not active member in campaign A"

Can we stop with the useless conspiracy theories? I can't talk for the other managers, but I have a very strong opinion against market manipulation and attempts at bribing me. Not only would they lose the bribe (money), they'd be exposed and possibly sued (depending on information available).

It's stuff like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.msg15967038#msg15967038 and this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15645159#msg15645159 which adds credence to the conspiracy theories, and that's the short list.  What are we supposed to think?

Absolutely childish from Lutpin and Lauda, going after everyone who is against their crusade and threatening innocent users with negative trust

[Lutpin]

Absolutely childish from Lutpin and Lauda

Both examples are about me, and both are related to betcoin.ag (had a recent look at their trust status).

going after everyone who is against their crusade

This had nothing to do with spam/SMAS/signature campaigns, else I would have started with YoBit and SecondsTrade (Know who did that? I give you 3 guesses).
Stop pulling in stuff that is unrelated to fighting spam in oder to try discrediting what I am doing.

and threatening innocent users with negative trust

I was voicing what I was considering back then, and what I have been discussing with several other DT members at that time.
I since decided to not go down that way and as you can see, I didn't leave a single feedback over "promoting betcoin.ag" (funny though, I got a few).
Also, I wouldn't call somebody advertising a scam (while knowing well what they are doing) innocent.

Depending on information? the campaign owner can't blame signature managers and signature manager easy to say i don't know why they are not active due i was doing the right thing to manage the campaign.

In that case, you will get fired and replaced. Believe me.

Who knows, maybe they just want to keep the forum from going to total shit?

People caring are the worst.

Who knows maybe a spammer is just a scenario, which is run by a group due with that they can get something.

Yes, we invented spam to "get something". It is only an illusion. Everything is fine. I just have to close my eyes, and I won't see it anymore.

[Gunthar]

@Lutpin, Lauda, Yahoo:
do you really guys have all this time to mess with these butthurted shills? This is the time when i wish a topic was self moderated uh...
~Gun

[yahoo62278]

Indeed, for currently not got paid for SMAS due this project is still in the stage of looking to get trust but in the future after all under the control of the three of you there is a lot of money easy all of you can get
1. buy and sell account
2. put high rates as campaign manager
3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

Im really only concerned with opinion #3 here. I currently manage 9 signature campaigns. Of those 9 campaigns i have 461 positions. Of that 461 positions only 236 positions are filled. That leaves 225 openings in the campaigns im currently managing.I need to get me alot more friends if i want to fill these completely up.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants. I know i personally obviously have alot of open spots so im not giving priority to anyone.

If you have a good or at least fair post history you have a shot at getting a spot in my campaigns. We honestly are not paid enough to deal with all this added SMAS stuff, but we do want to see the forum cleaned up a bit so we are donating our time.

We are not gonna please everyone obviously. There will always be ppl pissed off either way, but i think what we are doing is in the best interest of the forum.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

The fact of the matter is that you threatened dozens of innocent members of the forum with negative trust if they didnt stop advertising a company that you thought were in the wrong. Can you deny this?

Is threatening people here with default trust negative allowed here?

[Lutpin]

The fact of the matter is that you threatened dozens of innocent members of the forum with negative trust if they didnt stop advertising a company that you thought were in the wrong. Can you deny this?
Is threatening people here with default trust negative allowed here?

No, I didn't. Go cry to Blazed please.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants. I know i personally obviously have alot of open spots so im not giving priority to anyone.

Lauda can't even pick the users they get, unless they ban everyone else, there would be no way for them to "priorize" anyone.
As for me, I try setting up a good campaign, giving advantages to bad posters based on sympathy will ultimatively damage that, hence there's little reason to do so.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

Indeed, for currently not got paid for SMAS due this project is still in the stage of looking to get trust but in the future after all under the control of the three of you there is a lot of money easy all of you can get
1. buy and sell account
2. put high rates as campaign manager
3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

Im really only concerned with opinion #3 here. I currently manage 9 signature campaigns. Of those 9 campaigns i have 461 positions. Of that 461 positions only 236 positions are filled. That leaves 225 openings in the campaigns im currently managing.I need to get me alot more friends if i want to fill these completely up.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants.

~snip~

Dont see the sense of this post, its not as if you were going to say "yes, i give my friends priority"

Its impossible to know who your friends on the forum are anyways

[Your Point Is Invalid]

The fact of the matter is that you threatened dozens of innocent members of the forum with negative trust if they didnt stop advertising a company that you thought were in the wrong. Can you deny this?
Is threatening people here with default trust negative allowed here?

No, I didn't. Go cry to Blazed please.

~snip~

"I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag"

Does that not sound like a threat to you?

[Lutpin]

"I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag"
Does that not sound like a threat to you?

Nope.
If you got a problem with my past actions, create a Reputation thread.
If you got a problem with me being on DT, contact Blazed or two other DT1 guys.
If you got a problem with me being part of SMAS, convince Lauda and Yahoo to replace me (good luck with that).
Else, stop dragging unrelated stuff into the SMAS effort.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

"I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag"
Does that not sound like a threat to you?

Nope.

~snip~

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

this is very relevant to your little project, i can see that you are trying to stop spam on the forum but you are going about it the wrong way

You cant just go around making threats and harassing people

[yahoo62278]

Indeed, for currently not got paid for SMAS due this project is still in the stage of looking to get trust but in the future after all under the control of the three of you there is a lot of money easy all of you can get
1. buy and sell account
2. put high rates as campaign manager
3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

Im really only concerned with opinion #3 here. I currently manage 9 signature campaigns. Of those 9 campaigns i have 461 positions. Of that 461 positions only 236 positions are filled. That leaves 225 openings in the campaigns im currently managing.I need to get me alot more friends if i want to fill these completely up.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants.

~snip~

Dont see the sense of this post, its not as if you were going to say "yes, i give my friends priority"

Its impossible to know who your friends on the forum are anyways

Since youre currently working for me in BITSANE  and previously in Coinroll, should I consider us friends? Am i giving you priority? Come on man.

[Lutpin]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

this is very relevant to your little project, i can see that you are trying to stop spam on the forum but you are going about it the wrong way

Again, it's not. It wasn't even related to spam. The post quality in Betcoin.AGs signature campaign is acceptable, maybe even in the higher area.
This was related to the scam I consider their site itself, not their campaign, the posts of their participants, or fighting spam.

You cant just go around making threats and harassing people

I didn't harass people. I didn't make threats.

One hiccup doesnt make an entire company a scam and im sure that if you were to leave all the members of their campaign negative feedback, there would be some users who didnt even know about the jackpot thing

This isn't the thread to discuss whether or not betcoin.AG is a trustable site, and whether or not they should be considered scammers.
If you want to discuss such things, go to the appropriate threads.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

Indeed, for currently not got paid for SMAS due this project is still in the stage of looking to get trust but in the future after all under the control of the three of you there is a lot of money easy all of you can get
1. buy and sell account
2. put high rates as campaign manager
3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

Im really only concerned with opinion #3 here. I currently manage 9 signature campaigns. Of those 9 campaigns i have 461 positions. Of that 461 positions only 236 positions are filled. That leaves 225 openings in the campaigns im currently managing.I need to get me alot more friends if i want to fill these completely up.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants.

~snip~

Dont see the sense of this post, its not as if you were going to say "yes, i give my friends priority"

Its impossible to know who your friends on the forum are anyways

Since youre currently working for me in BITSANE  and previously in Coinroll, should I consider us friends? Am i giving you priority? Come on man.

I joined coinroll before you became the manager, and you gave me a hard time before joining the campaign i am currently in, as said, its difficult to know who your friends are

[Your Point Is Invalid]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

One hiccup doesnt make an entire company a scam and im sure that if you were to leave all the members of their campaign negative feedback, there would be some users who didnt even know about the jackpot thing

[The Sceptical Chymist]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

Lutpin, in your defense, what you wrote *could* be considered a 'threat' if you use YPII's definition which he so priggishly hauled out.  My question is: Yeah, so what?? 

If Betcoin.ag is a scam and folks are promoting it via a sig campaign, well, that's what DT members do.  Bust out the paint, and Lutpin isn't the only one doing it.  That's not something that IMO needs a warning or anything even coming close to a threat.  Offenders get marked and then the whining begins in meta, scam accusations, and reputation.  So be it.  You folks are looking after the best interests of the forum and are doing a fairly good job of it.  End of pseudo-asskissing session, continue on ladies.   

[Your Point Is Invalid]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

Lutpin, in your defense, what you wrote *could* be considered a 'threat' if you use YPII's definition which he so priggishly hauled out.  My question is: Yeah, so what?? 

If Betcoin.ag is a scam and folks are promoting it via a sig campaign, well, that's what DT members do.  Bust out the paint, and Lutpin isn't the only one doing it.  That's not something that IMO needs a warning or anything even coming close to a threat.  Offenders get marked and then the whining begins in meta, scam accusations, and reputation.  So be it.  You folks are looking after the best interests of the forum and are doing a fairly good job of it.  End of pseudo-asskissing session, continue on ladies.   

Your response to Lutpin going around threatening to give users negative is "so what??"

wow

edit: then you guys throw a tantrum when og says he should probably kill himself

the double standards here are ridiculous. Some people making themselves look stupid just to be on Lutpin's good side

[The Sceptical Chymist]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

Lutpin, in your defense, what you wrote *could* be considered a 'threat' if you use YPII's definition which he so priggishly hauled out.  My question is: Yeah, so what?? 

If Betcoin.ag is a scam and folks are promoting it via a sig campaign, well, that's what DT members do.  Bust out the paint, and Lutpin isn't the only one doing it.  That's not something that IMO needs a warning or anything even coming close to a threat.  Offenders get marked and then the whining begins in meta, scam accusations, and reputation.  So be it.  You folks are looking after the best interests of the forum and are doing a fairly good job of it.  End of pseudo-asskissing session, continue on ladies.   

Your response to Lutpin going around threatening to give users negative is "so what??"

wow

edit: then you guys throw a tantrum when og says he should probably kill himself

the double standards here are ridiculous. Some people making themselves look stupid just to be on Lutpin's good side

What double standard?  I leave copious amounts of negative feedback for account sellers and buyers, and with no warning or threat whatsoever.  Lutpin et al probably give that warning because their feedback carries that extra weight.  And no, I could care less if he or any other DT member tags someone promoting a scam site in their signature.  With warning, threat, or none of the above.

Please, I'm not trying to smuggle anyone's bone here.  Lighten the fuck up.