[SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version)

[TwitchySeal]

I don't want to be a bitch, but look at this topic for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694484.0

Now, let see. OP asked question, joksim replied, than op ask another question and mrcash replied and I added few more things.

This is interesting, user27 quote first post and answer to move topic to scam accusation section, than U2 comes and say OP should move topic to scam accusation topic, even c/p my post, than bitmax come with nonsense to discuss scam accusation in marketplace, than thegodfather came to tell to move post to scam board, than Kotone came to say he has to move topic to scam accusation board, than numanoid come to say they are signature spammers, than ardiprabowo came to say he should move his topic to scam accusation.  

Thanks god OP listens to numanoid and he locked topic. (as i said this is only example)

Cheers!

I think if everyone who makes a post that's obvious spam like marlboroza's example should be blacklisted permanently from sig campaigns.

Yeah, they will bitch and cry bloody murder from tons of alt accounts.  But there will be less spam.

Zero tolerance - without notice.

Lol, I didn't consider that spam at all.  It was actually a good synopsis of how shitty the forum is becoming.   People don't read mich because of sig campaigns.  Imagine if someone at a homeless shelter started paying people for every sentence they uttered.   Therr would be a whole lot of blah blah blah blah blah, and no one would listen or care because it'd all be crap.

I think I was unclear.

I was agreeing with marlboroza and referencing the posts he was referencing, not his actual post. (although I should mention his sig campaign, vdice.io , has scam written all over it)

[Quickseller]

I don't want to be a bitch, but look at this topic for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694484.0

Now, let see. OP asked question, joksim replied, than op ask another question and mrcash replied and I added few more things.

This is interesting, user27 quote first post and answer to move topic to scam accusation section, than U2 comes and say OP should move topic to scam accusation topic, even c/p my post, than bitmax come with nonsense to discuss scam accusation in marketplace, than thegodfather came to tell to move post to scam board, than Kotone came to say he has to move topic to scam accusation board, than numanoid come to say they are signature spammers, than ardiprabowo came to say he should move his topic to scam accusation. 

Thanks god OP listens to numanoid and he locked topic. (as i said this is only example)

Cheers!

I think if everyone who makes a post that's obvious spam like marlboroza's example should be blacklisted permanently from sig campaigns.

Yeah, they will bitch and cry bloody murder from tons of alt accounts.  But there will be less spam.

Zero tolerance - without notice.

The thing is that it is difficult to say when individual accounts are a part of the spam problem based on one thread. If someone doesn't believe an answer then you can backup the answer with additional information. If the soap is not locking a thread after receiving an answer you can ask again.

His example is more evidence that the forum has an overall problem with signature related spam.

[Lutpin]

SMAS idea is great, but this topic is pointless. You guys should do this somewhere private or lock/unlock this topic with only updates of spammers, I don't know why did you let this become discussion?

No it's not. Lauda suggested something similar, but I think that an open discussion about what we are doing and how we're doing it, aswell as about possible ways to improve the situation either from our side or from others is very much needed.
At the very least, this is better than 99% of Gambling discussion and probably half the threads in Bitcoin discussion.

I don't want to be a bitch, but look at this topic for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694484.0
Oh, i found another one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558513 bitmixer signature did someone read his posts?

Reports are best made via PM to the manager in charge.
Neither Betcoin.ag nor YoBit are covered under smas. We can't do much about those users.
Bitmixer is managed by Lauda, hence talk to them about the latter user.

who is running bitsler signature campaign anyway  [/b] revo is obviously multiacc spammer?

That's probably a rhetoric question and you just want to take a shot at them. It's not hard to find out.

And back to OP, as I said, SMAS is great thing, but you need moderators to do their job too, to lock threads when they are solved and to mute people for several days when they are spamming!

In case you didn't realize: We are campaign managers, not mods.
We do what we can do, because if we didn't things would most probably be worse.
If you're unsatisfied with the forum moderation, make a thread in meta about it, try to talk to theymos, I don't know what else.
Thing is, don't blame us for it.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

SMAS idea is great, but this topic is pointless. You guys should do this somewhere private or lock/unlock this topic with only updates of spammers, I don't know why did you let this become discussion?

No it's not. Lauda suggested something similar, but I think that an open discussion about what we are doing and how we're doing it, aswell as about possible ways to improve the situation either from our side or from others is very much needed.
At the very least, this is better than 99% of Gambling discussion and probably half the threads in Bitcoin discussion.

I don't want to be a bitch, but look at this topic for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694484.0
Oh, i found another one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558513 bitmixer signature did someone read his posts?

Reports are best made via PM to the manager in charge.
Neither Betcoin.ag nor YoBit are covered under smas. We can't do much about those users.
Bitmixer is managed by Lauda, hence talk to them about the latter user.

who is running bitsler signature campaign anyway  [/b] revo is obviously multiacc spammer?

That's probably a rhetoric question and you just want to take a shot at them. It's not hard to find out.

And back to OP, as I said, SMAS is great thing, but you need moderators to do their job too, to lock threads when they are solved and to mute people for several days when they are spamming!

In case you didn't realize: We are campaign managers, not mods.
We do what we can do, because if we didn't things would most probably be worse.
If you're unsatisfied with the forum moderation, make a thread in meta about it, try to talk to theymos, I don't know what else.
Thing is, don't blame us for it.

I dont see the point of an open discussion iof Lauda shoots down every idea that comes up, also, Lauda is a mod

[tokeweed]

What do you guys think of the members of the Fortune Jack campaign?  Some of them spam and echo each other's comments that doesn't really add anything to the discussion and you'll know what I mean.  Check out the Premier League thread in the gambling discussion section.  I already called them out, out of frustration.  

[Your Point Is Invalid]

What do you guys think of the members of the Fortune Jack campaign?  Some of them spam and echo each other's comments that doesn't really add anything to the discussion and you'll know what I mean.  Check out the Premier League thread in the gambling discussion section.  I already called them out, out of frustration.  

Its a prediction thread.... Sometimes, paeople are going to have the same predictions, im not goint to not post my predictions because someone already posted it

[Joel_Jantsen]

What do you guys think of the members of the Fortune Jack campaign?  Some of them spam and echo each other's comments that doesn't really add anything to the discussion and you'll know what I mean.  Check out the Premier League thread in the gambling discussion section.  I already called them out, out of frustration.  

I would not be surprised if all the accounts inside Fortune Jack's campaign are alt accounts of one single person.Seriously,they all post the same way that is spam the shit out of gambling section.That's not it,you wouldn't find them posting anywhere else on the forum! All typical broken English typing Indians and Indonesians.
P.S.Not attacking anyone personally,the truth stays,however!

[chixka000]

What do you guys think of the members of the Fortune Jack campaign?  Some of them spam and echo each other's comments that doesn't really add anything to the discussion and you'll know what I mean.  Check out the Premier League thread in the gambling discussion section.  I already called them out, out of frustration. 

I do active posting in the gambling discussion as well and same as you do I also noticed them posting sequentially and that make me think as well that if this does not belong to only one account there is something more about it(although that is not a big deal to me at all and i don't have any evidence as well).

[DarkStar_]

What do you guys think of the members of the Fortune Jack campaign?  Some of them spam and echo each other's comments that doesn't really add anything to the discussion and you'll know what I mean.  Check out the Premier League thread in the gambling discussion section.  I already called them out, out of frustration. 

I do active posting in the gambling discussion as well and same as you do I also noticed them posting sequentially and that make me think as well that if this does not belong to only one account there is something more about it(although that is not a big deal to me at all and i don't have any evidence as well).

Users fullypak, raaajlucky, futurebit640, and roadbits (all in the FortuneJack campaign) are alts. Linked here by TwitchySeal. I doubt the other 16 accounts also belong to that guy, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were others with multiple accounts in that campaign.


Edit: Fixed, didn't verify it myself.

[Lutpin]

Users fullypak, raaajlucky, futurebit640, and roadbits (all in the FortuneJack campaign) is an alt of guitarplinker. Linked here by TwitchySeal.

No, they are not. That connection doesn't hold up. They might be connected to each other, but the link to guitarplinker is weak/non-existent.

[U2]

SMAS idea is great, but this topic is pointless. You guys should do this somewhere private or lock/unlock this topic with only updates of spammers, I don't know why did you let this become discussion?

I don't want to be a bitch, but look at this topic for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1694484.0

Now, let see. OP asked question, joksim replied, than op ask another question and mrcash replied and I added few more things.

This is interesting, user27 quote first post and answer to move topic to scam accusation section, than U2 comes and say OP should move topic to scam accusation topic, even c/p my post, than bitmax come with nonsense to discuss scam accusation in marketplace, than thegodfather came to tell to move post to scam board, than Kotone came to say he has to move topic to scam accusation board, than numanoid come to say they are signature spammers, than ardiprabowo came to say he should move his topic to scam accusation.  

Thanks god OP listens to numanoid and he locked topic. (as i said this is only example)

Lol you're kidding me right? If by c/p you mean copy and pasted I think you're totally blind or just can't comprehend proper English mate. You clearly speak like an illiterate toddler so let's go through this and break it down in simple terms so you can fully comprehend your misjudgement on "c/p".

WOW look at your post count. You sure love to spew verbal diarrhea of the mouth all over the forum.

Its scam accusation board. Make sure when you accuse someone to give all proofs and screenshots you have, don't just say "this guy/site scammed me". U can use this format https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

While I post like a normal person that can speak English without hopping over to Google Translate beforehand.

Just start a scam accusation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Make sure you give screenshots, who scammed you for how much etc. Just go by this guide. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

After that I would post on reddit and anywhere else you'll be seen so that the word gets around.

Just make sure you post proof. No one cares about some lunatic saying someone scammed them when they have no proof to their claim.  

You didn't give 1/3 of the info that I gave and you said it in broken English. Sorry, maybe next time I'll just correct your post rofl. Does this help you?

ItsWhat you're looking for is the scam accusation board. Make sure when you accuse someone to give post all proofs of your proof and screenshots you have,[period] don'tDon't just say "this guy/site scammed me". UYou can use this format https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

Wow. Sorry I gave a better answer with more information champ. You didn't even link him to the board you were talking about. That's pretty crucial don't you think? Maybe grab a Rosetta Stone or take an ESL class and I won't have to correct you next time.

Let's have a look through your nonesense posts and see what signature spam I can find...

Edit: As Lutpin has said, just report the post. If you really feel like I'm spamming then report it. They won't agree with you obviously but hey, whatever makes you feel better. Do you need me to translate that into Hindi or Chinese for you or did you understand that?

Edit2: hope you're ready to have all of your alts exposed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.new#new

[marlboroza]

~snip~
ItsWhat you're looking for is the scam accusation board. Make sure when you accuse someone to give post all proofs of your proof and screenshots you have,[period] don'tDon't just say "this guy/site scammed me". UYou can use this format https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0
~snip~

Before quoting me and judging my english be sure that you quoted all parts of my post. Its not "WHAT ARE" i am sure "IT IS":

Wow. Sorry I gave a better answer with more information champ. You didn't even link him to the board you were talking about. That's pretty crucial don't you think? Maybe grab a Rosetta Stone or take an ESL class and I won't have to correct you next time.

~snip~

WOW look at your post count. You sure love to spew verbal diarrhea of the mouth all over the forum.

Wow. Sorry I gave a better answer with more information champ. You didn't even link him to the board you were talking about. That's pretty crucial don't you think? Maybe grab a Rosetta Stone or take an ESL class and I won't have to correct you next time.

Let's have a look through your nonesense posts and see what signature spam I can find...

Edit: As Lutpin has said, just report the post. If you really feel like I'm spamming then report it. They won't agree with you obviously but hey, whatever makes you feel better. Do you need me to translate that into Hindi or Chinese for you or did you understand that?

Edit2: hope you're ready to have all of your alts exposed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.new#new

Thanks for free english lesson, there is no need for insults.

My ALT? You could ask me i would tell you, i have some sort of faucet list site and i didn't want to use this account to spam signature with bumps of my faucet list every day. Its very simple.

What is important here do you see my alt in signature campaign or do you see i am using my alt in any giveaways or anything else with 2 accounts? Alt is pretty much inactive

edit* As i said topic was only an example 

[U2]

-snip- i have some sort of faucet list site and i didn't want to use this account to spam signature with bumps of my faucet list every day. Its very simple.
-snip-

That was simple. You only use this account for signature spamming and faucet/giveaway claims, not legitimate businesses. Got it.

Before quoting me and judging my english be sure that you quoted all parts of my post. Its not "WHAT ARE" i am sure "IT IS":

I couldn't agree more. It's supposed to be it's not its.



Notice how we said something somewhat similar but I wrote it out with more information? Clearly it's not a copy and paste. If I got 90% on my English test and you got 65% would you still claim I cheated off of you? It's illogical.



So to set the record straight, you only have one alt, right? Better yet, could you list your alts for the record? Keep in mind I'm looking very closely and already have evidence to support my claims.

[marlboroza]

-snip- i have some sort of faucet list site and i didn't want to use this account to spam signature with bumps of my faucet list every day. Its very simple.
-snip-

That was simple. You only use this account for signature spamming and faucet/giveaway claims, not legitimate businesses. Got it.

Before quoting me and judging my english be sure that you quoted all parts of my post. Its not "WHAT ARE" i am sure "IT IS":

I couldn't agree more. It's supposed to be it's not its.

https://i.imgur.com/GiB2eMf.png

Notice how we said something somewhat similar but I wrote it out with more information? Clearly it's not a copy and paste. If I got 90% on my English test and you got 65% would you still claim I cheated off of you? It's illogical.

https://i.imgur.com/EMsRsOJ.png

So to set the record straight, you only have one alt, right? Better yet, could you list your alts for the record? Keep in mind I'm looking very closely and already have evidence to support my claims.

Oh, so, you are saying having one inactive alt is consider as spam? Maybe you missed whole point of my post in first place.

[TwitchySeal]

Malboroza - 3
U2 - 0

Edit: to clarify- U2 got busted making obv  spam post and is now making a fool of himself trying to clear his name with invalid points.

[U2]

Oh, so, you are saying having one inactive alt is consider as spam? Maybe you missed whole point of my post in first place.

I'm giving you a chance to be honest but you didn't answer the question. Do you have any other alts?

Malboroza - 3
U2 - 0

Edit: to clarify- U2 got busted making obv  spam post and is now making a fool of himself trying to clear his name with invalid points.

Lol if it's spam then why was it not deleted by mods? I'm in a fixed rate campaign so it wouldn't even be beneficial for me to spam whereas this typical broken English yoshit spammer can't even blurt out what he's trying to say if he tried. Care to pick that apart?

No matter how you look at it, my post has more information, written properly and actually helped the op. I obviously didn't read his post because it wasn't worth my time. I hate reading gibberish on this forum.

[actmyname]

Lol if it's spam then why was it not deleted by mods?

Survival bias; there are more spammy posts - far worse than yours. Mods are also busy and there's a backlog of reports AFAIK.

I'm in a fixed rate campaign so it wouldn't even be beneficial for me to spam

Untrue, since all you need to do is reach the quota and that'll be the end of it - there's no point wasting extra time strenuously composing a post that is of high quality when you can simply recycle content.

whereas this typical broken English yoshit spammer can't even blurt out what he's trying to say if he tried. Care to pick that apart?

If what marlboroza had posted was at the very least understandable (which it was) then that's fine. The information is out there and the discussion should be ended. There is no point of repeating what another person said, unless clarification is necessary. Even in that case, why not resort to a PM if you actually wish to help the OP?

No matter how you look at it, my post has more information, written properly and actually helped the op.

Unknown - no indication of solely your reply helping OP.

I obviously didn't read his post because it wasn't worth my time. I hate reading gibberish on this forum.

How do you know if a post contains gibberish without reading it?  

[marlboroza]

Malboroza - 3
U2 - 0

Edit: to clarify- U2 got busted making obv  spam post and is now making a fool of himself trying to clear his name with invalid points.

I guess this will clear his name  

[U2]

Oh, so, you are saying having one inactive alt is consider as spam? Maybe you missed whole point of my post in first place.

I'm giving you a chance to be honest but you didn't answer the question. Do you have any other alts?

Third time is the charm. Do you have any other alts? it's bold because you missed it twice now. Yet if I missed your post and posted something (better) than you, I'd have your army of trolls after me.

You said you would have gladly told anyone about your alt (after I busted you for it. Convenient.) So do you have any others? I've already gone though all addresses and all wallets of yours so think carefully before you (finally) give a definite answer here.

-answering rhetorical questions/ questions not asked to him-

Neat. Sorry, the sign says don't feed the trolls.


If any mod has an issue or even guitarplinker my signature campaign manager has an issue the the post will be deleted or not counted toward my quota of 50 posts a month. Either way it's passive income for me and won't affect me in the slightest.

Also, no matter how anyone tries to make me look I was trying to help the op. So it really doesn't make any difference what you think. This is a forum will a million different opinions. If someone feels like I should delete it then I will. Also either way if someone is trying to tarnish my name I'm going to defend myself. I'm not a signature spammer. Never have been and never will be.

[Quickseller]

Oh, so, you are saying having one inactive alt is consider as spam? Maybe you missed whole point of my post in first place.

I'm giving you a chance to be honest but you didn't answer the question. Do you have any other alts?

Third time is the charm. Do you have any other alts?

No offense buddy, but this is really none of your business. AFAIK, marlboroza is not accused of doing anything wrong, and his alts is his own business. Many people have alts around here that they keep to themselves, pretty much all the moderators have secret alts, all three of the admins have secret alts, many very reputable people have secret alts, if you were to assume that saotoshi is still alive, then satoshi has secret alts.

Lol if it's spam then why was it not deleted by mods?

Survival bias; there are more spammy posts - far worse than yours. Mods are also busy and there's a backlog of reports AFAIK.

There is not any kind of long term backlog of reports. Generally speaking, the primary reason why an individual post will get deleted is because it is either off topic, or has little/no value. The reason why someone will get banned for low quality posts + paid signature is because they have a long history of making low quality posts that add very little/nothing to the conversation.