shimlbit
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September 27, 2016, 12:56:26 PM |
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Guys thank you for your research. I will ask for explanations. As the one of ico wallet key holders, there is no way to sign for funds releasing if they don't complete what they promised. Of course i asked from CEO to convert those $5 Million in bitcoins and send them into the wallet. So we will see soon if these news and funds are real or not.
To be honest, this isn't looking good. Is Martin Mueller, e-cash magazine co-founder a real person? I hope it's not the devs made up person so that he can hold 2 of the 3 sigs and release the funds. mueller or müller is one of the most names in germany...i guess its fake... |
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retardsystem
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September 27, 2016, 01:39:57 PM |
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This is getting more hilarious by the minute. Obviously photoshopped. It doesn't even take a forensic analysis or an image search to see that, the photos are obviously shopped from the way that people are (not) looking at each other. The second photo was taken from here: http://aktion-pro-aktie.de/deutschlands-groesste-direktbankenstudie/ then shopped the "dev" with his mic on it. Good job. Compare:   Thats what you call a scam. Great finding.. scrawl is coreect, it looks like the photos are fake and photoshoped, OP and bitcoinexpert are scammers...Wtf |
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nezto77
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September 27, 2016, 01:46:05 PM |
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This is getting more hilarious by the minute. Obviously photoshopped. It doesn't even take a forensic analysis or an image search to see that, the photos are obviously shopped from the way that people are (not) looking at each other. The second photo was taken from here: http://aktion-pro-aktie.de/deutschlands-groesste-direktbankenstudie/ then shopped the "dev" with his mic on it. Good job. Compare: Thats what you call a scam. Great finding.. scrawl is coreect, it looks like the photos are fake and photoshoped, OP and bitcoinexpert are scammers...Wtf waow is very observant, you can open a peculiarity in this photo, and very strong with tangible proof. is great for this. so whether the project will continue to run with it all?  |
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trademark
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September 27, 2016, 01:54:23 PM |
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Guys i want to be clear and i am clear for the beginning. I never met the CEO of deCLOUDS. Our conversations were only through texting. I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds. If i had i would take them and return to investors. I'm not a scammer and i was clear from the beginning.
I apologize for all this bad situation.
Not good. So you put your reputation on the line for someone you do not know? Have you ever had conversations with Martin Mueller? |
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retardsystem
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September 27, 2016, 02:00:54 PM |
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Guys i want to be clear and i am clear for the beginning. I never met the CEO of deCLOUDS. Our conversations were only through texting. I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds. If i had i would take them and return to investors. I'm not a scammer and i was clear from the beginning.
I apologize for all this bad situation.
Ok, it is very immoral to spread a fake news to lure and scam invesrors to deposit money. OP is a scammer, you should request a hangout or interview to him, your repitation will be destroyed if this project is a scam. One more question, "I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds." If you refuse to release the escrow, so dev can't get fund? |
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MoveCrypto
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September 27, 2016, 02:11:59 PM |
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This is getting more hilarious by the minute. Obviously photoshopped. It doesn't even take a forensic analysis or an image search to see that, the photos are obviously shopped from the way that people are (not) looking at each other. The second photo was taken from here: http://aktion-pro-aktie.de/deutschlands-groesste-direktbankenstudie/ then shopped the "dev" with his mic on it. Good job. Compare: Thats what you call a scam. Great finding.. scrawl is coreect, it looks like the photos are fake and photoshoped, OP and bitcoinexpert are scammers...Wtf waow is very observant, you can open a peculiarity in this photo, and very strong with tangible proof. is great for this. so whether the project will continue to run with it all?  296 BTC |
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szachta
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September 27, 2016, 02:13:12 PM |
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Change the wallet ico and wait to exchange.
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retardsystem
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September 27, 2016, 02:15:12 PM |
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Guys i want to be clear and i am clear for the beginning. I never met the CEO of deCLOUDS. Our conversations were only through texting. I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds. If i had i would take them and return to investors. I'm not a scammer and i was clear from the beginning.
I apologize for all this bad situation.
Ok, it is very immoral to spread a fake news to lure and scam invesrors to deposit money. OP is a scammer, you should request a hangout or interview to him, your repitation will be destroyed if this project is a scam. One more question, "I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds." If you refuse to release the escrow, so dev can't get fund? The problem is that the wallet is 2-3 signatures. I have the one key. Probably there is not Muller and the other two keys is under Stas control. So with 2 keys he has access to funds. "Escrow service for DECLOUDS ICO provided by: Martin Mueller, e-cash magazine co-founder. Petros Anagnostou, coinbit founder. It was a 2 of 3 multisig wallet from Electrum used. The funds will be released upon successful launch of DECLOUDS network. " I copy from op, are you Petros? I don't understand the multi-sig addy scheme, does it mean that dev owns one key, he just need one more escrow to access the fund? I suppose that Martin is a virtual and fake escrow(dev has the key of Martin's), and he will get fund without your permission? |
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scambust
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September 27, 2016, 02:16:27 PM |
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September 27, 2016, 02:39:54 PM |
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Guys i want to be clear and i am clear for the beginning. I never met the CEO of deCLOUDS. Our conversations were only through texting. I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds. If i had i would take them and return to investors. I'm not a scammer and i was clear from the beginning.
I apologize for all this bad situation.
Ok, it is very immoral to spread a fake news to lure and scam invesrors to deposit money. OP is a scammer, you should request a hangout or interview to him, your repitation will be destroyed if this project is a scam. One more question, "I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds." If you refuse to release the escrow, so dev can't get fund? The problem is that the wallet is 2-3 signatures. I have the one key. Probably there is not Muller and the other two keys is under Stas control. So with 2 keys he has access to funds. "Escrow service for DECLOUDS ICO provided by: Martin Mueller, e-cash magazine co-founder. Petros Anagnostou, coinbit founder. It was a 2 of 3 multisig wallet from Electrum used. The funds will be released upon successful launch of DECLOUDS network. " I copy from op, are you Petros? I don't understand the multi-sig addy scheme, does it mean that dev owns one key, he just need one more escrow to access the fund? I suppose that Martin is a virtual and fake escrow(dev has the key of Martin's), and he will get fund without your permission? Yes i m Petros. I own one key, the second key owned by Stas and the third by Martin Mueller if is real. If he is not real, that means two keys are under Stas control and he can take the funds without my permission. You are screwed by the scammers, too naive actually. Greed and icocountdown are both judgement on deCLOUDs. I also thought it is a scam since day 1, that is why i keep my btc on my hand. |
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killerjoegreece
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September 27, 2016, 02:59:57 PM |
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pradalady
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September 27, 2016, 07:15:40 PM |
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Every project can return into Scam. And the most trusted. Even the legit projects you promote. By the way, you were right. Let's see how all this end. I hope your reputation will keep clean, if dev runs away with fund, you are also scammed by him, not fair to you.  Maybe you will get red trust because you are one escrow if you can't control fund. |
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daneranon89
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September 27, 2016, 07:43:06 PM |
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so this whole german bank investing money into declouds is scam news?? I was going to invest after hearing the news. Then I decided to check the bitcointalk page of declouds and BOOM! all kinds of scam accusations from reputed members... and the photoshopped pictures of the dev giving a speech is incredible  ... I think, I will have to let this ICO pass and I shall see how things play out for declouds.  |
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jacaf01
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September 27, 2016, 08:04:41 PM |
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I would recommend to Decloud team to please cancel the project and refund our investment, to pull such trick is really a bad idea and it really backfire. A lie of that magnitude demand apology to the investors and please for the sake of whatever you believe in just insert a refund button on your ICO page for those interested in refund to get their investment back.
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mummybtc
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September 27, 2016, 08:30:10 PM |
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Well-done ICOcountdown.com. Decloud team really wen too far with this move and it boomerang on them. I hope investors demand for refund |
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September 27, 2016, 08:37:57 PM |
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I will try to convince him to return the funds to investors, if he appears after the revelations and answer me.
I will do everything in my hand in order to return the funds to investors. The last thing he told me is that from the 300 bitcoin invested until now, only the 28 btc are from the community and the rest are from his own acquaintances. Of course I can not be sure if what he said is true or not.
atleast you can refund bounty for people who shared on facebook, slack, twitter and signature, its not so big |
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Thefrolly
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September 27, 2016, 08:44:10 PM |
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so they ran with the money or what happened here?
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ICOcountdown.com
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September 27, 2016, 09:24:20 PM |
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Guys i want to be clear and i am clear for the beginning. I never met the CEO of deCLOUDS. Our conversations were only through texting. I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds. If i had i would take them and return to investors. I'm not a scammer and i was clear from the beginning.
I apologize for all this bad situation.
Ok, it is very immoral to spread a fake news to lure and scam invesrors to deposit money. OP is a scammer, you should request a hangout or interview to him, your repitation will be destroyed if this project is a scam. One more question, "I have the one signature, probably the other two are in the position of Stas, so i can't do anything. I don't have access to funds." If you refuse to release the escrow, so dev can't get fund? The problem is that the wallet is 2-3 signatures. I have the one key. Probably there is not Muller and the other two keys is under Stas control. So with 2 keys he has access to funds. "Escrow service for DECLOUDS ICO provided by: Martin Mueller, e-cash magazine co-founder. Petros Anagnostou, coinbit founder. It was a 2 of 3 multisig wallet from Electrum used. The funds will be released upon successful launch of DECLOUDS network. " I copy from op, are you Petros? I don't understand the multi-sig addy scheme, does it mean that dev owns one key, he just need one more escrow to access the fund? I suppose that Martin is a virtual and fake escrow(dev has the key of Martin's), and he will get fund without your permission? Yes i m Petros. I own one key, the second key owned by Stas and the third by Martin Mueller if is real. If he is not real, that means two keys are under Stas control and he can take the funds without my permission. I think you need to issue a public apology for all the community here and you need to apologize to me personally, I would seriously work very hard to get the funds back for these people. This will not be tolerated in any capacity. |
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