[POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag?

[Frizz23]

If you voted "Yes", put your signature where your mouth is 

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[size=16pt][color=red][b]Warning: BFL has failed to deliver for > 7 months. It could be a scam![/b][/color][/size]
[b]BFL started taking pre order money in June 2012, but have not shipped a single ASIC device up until today. There's no evidence they have a working prototype.[/b]

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[crazyates]

If you voted "Yes", put your signature where your mouth is 

Yep, because everyone wants to be a loud, arrogant bastard, just like you.

[Frizz23]

Yep, because everyone wants to be a loud, arrogant bastard, just like you.

Arrogant? Please explain.

[smoothie]

If you voted "Yes", put your signature where your mouth is 

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[size=16pt][color=red][b]Warning: BFL has failed to deliver for > 7 months. It could be a scam![/b][/color][/size]
[b]BFL started taking pre order money in June 2012, but have not shipped a single ASIC device up until today. There's no evidence they have a working prototype.[/b]

I did 

And I post a lot on this forum. Spread the word guys. BFL is likely a scam. 

[k9quaint]

If you voted "Yes", put your signature where your mouth is  

I tweaked the message a bit.

[Bogart]

BFL is keeping a portion of first batch chips for their own mining farm:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157329.0

#1 batch customers: how you're feeling right now?

Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't this refer to units which Josh personally ordered and paid for in June 2012 and in which shares were then made available?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0

Be that as it may, it's still a glaring conflict of interest.

Josh either needs to be an ASIC maker, or be a miner.  To be both is too dangerous.

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[Entropy-uc]

I have abstained.  I think anyone giving money to BFL is throwing it in a hole.

The exact flavor and odor of said hole is of absolutely no interest to me.

I do think it is time to banish all BFL threads to speculation.  Keeping them in Custom Hardware is a joke.  When they can show videos of a happy Garr and Fefox unboxing their toys and making coins with them, let them back into this part of the forum.

[Frizz23]

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[ionux]

I believe they should be given the scammer tag.  They have clearly and consistently misled their customers into thinking (a) they either had or were very close to shipping real products, (b) they took pre-order money to fund the development of a product without informing their customers first.

If they had come out and been completely transparent like, "Hey guys, we need investment funds to develop this ASIC product.  If we are successful, shipping should be about 2 years from now...", I would vote no on the scammer tag.  However, they misled people.  What they actually got was start-up money to fund their project.  How many people would have given them money if that had been clearly stated?

Scammer tag it is then!

[yxt]

full ack

[Micon]

Easy scammer tag, continues to take in tons of $ each month while unprofessional PR guy angers customers and inept engineers never advance the product.  

All the while marketing expenses are increasing.

Failed to donate 1000 btc as promised

[Nesetalis]

Def the scammer tag.
Room mate purchased a jalapeno to hook up to a solar panel setup. But with new power requirements it likely won't work with the solar panel. They have been making promises over and over... they keep advertising as if the product is actually for sale... that is just bait and switch.

Even if they ship the product, at last, they should have a scammer tag in my opinion. You scam some one, you are a scammer, even if you come clean.

[dataphile]

They have delivered FGPAs in the past, with ongoing support for those products.

[ripple]

They promise customers that they can make USD 25,000 in three months by buying one of their 50GHs units.

They fail to point out the simple truth that difficulty levels will increase each two weeks, and that customers ordering today may receive any time from August onwards by which time by which time this profit expectation will have vanished into thin air, and that they are unlikely to even recoup the costs of the unit.

This is unethical and will damage their reputation, that is even further than the considerable delay has already caused.

Watch the number of people caught out in their Ponzi scheme cancelling orders just before the 45 day deadline for PayPal buyer protection!

[ursa]

Hey Josh,
 
Who killed the FPGA market with bullshit like 1w/GH/s and dumping prices and failed to deliver?
Who promised 1000 BTC to charity if fails to achieve the power goal?
Shut the fuck up and DELIVER or REFUND or go to RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (you and your bosses)

[coinandable]

I voted yes after receiving a refund of about 6BTC when I wrote them a mail asking back the 70BTC i paid back in September based on their lies at that time (I was stupid enough to provide a btc address in this mail).

So, I missed the opportunity to sell my 70BTC with good profit during the bubble and I dont have an order anymore. They refuse to reinstate the order now as well.

I hate BFL and will tell everybody not to buy anything from them. They suck at everything and I hope for higher justice now.

 

[Korbman]

I voted yes after receiving a refund of about 6BTC when I wrote them a mail asking back the 70BTC i paid back in September based on their lies at that time (I was stupid enough to provide a btc address in this mail).

So, I missed the opportunity to sell my 70BTC with good profit during the bubble and I dont have an order anymore. They refuse to reinstate the order now as well.

Soooo...let me get this straight...you paid BTC70 in September (valued at, what, $700-840 or so..assuming $10-12 a coin)...and you hate BFL because they didn't give you $17,000+ back during the bubble?

Are you retarded?

[k9quaint]

I voted yes after receiving a refund of about 6BTC when I wrote them a mail asking back the 70BTC i paid back in September based on their lies at that time (I was stupid enough to provide a btc address in this mail).

So, I missed the opportunity to sell my 70BTC with good profit during the bubble and I dont have an order anymore. They refuse to reinstate the order now as well.

Soooo...let me get this straight...you paid BTC70 in September (valued at, what, $700-840 or so..assuming $10-12 a coin)...and you hate BFL because they didn't give you $17,000+ back during the bubble?

Are you retarded?

He already said he ordered from BFL.

[smoothie]

despite public poll showing that BFL should get a scammer tag, Theymos and mods have not done anything to coerce BFL into doing what they say they will do.

1. Pay charity bet.

2. Deliver devices to all customers

[billotronic]

despite public poll showing that BFL should get a scammer tag, Theymos and mods have not done anything to coerce BFL into doing what they say they will do.

1. Pay charity bet.

2. Deliver devices to all customers

shit, i would settle for just a percentage of customers. It's a good thing I am a practicing drunk or I might be upset about waiting seven @#&&*!^% months and counting for a coffee warmer...