Donald Trump Vs Hilary Clinton

[tvbcof]

VOTE 3RD PARTY now -- for the future, since we're totally screwed by the "2-Party System" this year!

Trump is hated by the establishment Republicans as much as by any group, and they have done amazing things to try to torpedo his candidacy.

A vote for Trump is the biggest rejection of the "2-Party System" that I can think of since Perot...and bigger than that.  Perot was unprepared for the heat.  Trump seems to be as best I can determine.

I'll say again, the Trump phenomenon seems to have the potential to turn the Republican party into something worth supporting for the first time in half a century or more.  If we can 'embrace' the self-segregation of the douche-bag neo-cons and the kept stable workhorses (Bushes, Ryan, McConnell, etc) then this might actually come to pass.  In association with the utter kernel-level corruption of the Dems a fair number of good people might make the switch.  Flynn is a great example of this.

I agree with this but it's likely a bit too far reaching for people to comprehend.  After a year of Trumpian style leadership, however...

They'd be laughing at the old con games they fell for...

Honestly, I think that's true for both "parties."

The idea that Trump might be a fraud has gnawed at me from (my own) day one and continues to be a source of angst.  The sentiment driving Brexit and Trump should have easily been picked up by the Bayesian belief networks.  If they were, the natural response would be to create a Trump-ish character.

('Bayesian belief networks' and 'rational agents' are described in minor detail in the interesting new documentary called 'HyperNormalisation' which I recommend to interested parties with an analytical bent.)

As I've mentioned before, the establishment resistance against Trump and the desperation to get Hillary installed, even for a few days, is building my confidence in the guy.  Maybe he pretended early on that he would play ball and may in fact stab them in the back and they got suspicious about this.  Who knows.  In any event, the mainstream media conglomerate has been decimated (in terms of credibiity.)  If/when their lease on life is extended by criminalizing alternate media competition, they will be less effective then Provda ever was even near the end.

As is almost always the case, we'll only really know the answers until after the fact.  Kinda like the now popular and completely ridiculous 'we have to pass the bill to see what is in it' I suppose.

Meanwhile, looking at the above 3 posts, seems like some of the paid Hitlery Trolls that got run out of Reddit are perching here for a while.

I've started using the ignore feature here for the first time in half a decade.  These are either primitive bots which don't really even qualify as AI, or very pathetic sock-puppets trying to use the board as free advertising.  This zombie army seems to take two sides of a given issue (Trump vs. Hillary, 2nd amendment, 9/11, global warming, etc.)  Thankfully they are at this point fairly easy to spot but unfortunately that won't always be the case.  For now we can focus on identifying the higher budget flesh containing agents working multiple projects from a set of playbooks...and maybe occasionally striking out on their own because of their innate human weaknesses

[Spendulus]

VOTE 3RD PARTY now -- for the future, since we're totally screwed by the "2-Party System" this year!

Trump is hated by the establishment Republicans as much as by any group, and they have done amazing things to try to torpedo his candidacy.

A vote for Trump is the biggest rejection of the "2-Party System" that I can think of since Perot...and bigger than that.  Perot was unprepared for the heat.  Trump seems to be as best I can determine.

I'll say again, the Trump phenomenon seems to have the potential to turn the Republican party into something worth supporting for the first time in half a century or more.  If we can 'embrace' the self-segregation of the douche-bag neo-cons and the kept stable workhorses (Bushes, Ryan, McConnell, etc) then this might actually come to pass.  In association with the utter kernel-level corruption of the Dems a fair number of good people might make the switch.  Flynn is a great example of this.

I agree with this but it's likely a bit too far reaching for people to comprehend.  After a year of Trumpian style leadership, however...

They'd be laughing at the old con games they fell for...

Honestly, I think that's true for both "parties."

The idea that Trump might be a fraud has gnawed at me from (my own) day one and continues to be a source of angst.  The sentiment driving Brexit and Trump should have easily been picked up by the Bayesian belief networks.  If they were, the natural response would be to create a Trump-ish character.

('Bayesian belief networks' and 'rational agents' are described in minor detail in the interesting new documentary called 'HyperNormalisation' which I recommend to interested parties with an analytical bent.)

As I've mentioned before, the establishment resistance against Trump and the desperation to get Hillary installed, even for a few days, is building my confidence in the guy.  Maybe he pretended early on that he would play ball and may in fact stab them in the back and they got suspicious about this.  Who knows.  In any event, the mainstream media conglomerate has been decimated (in terms of credibiity.)  If/when their lease on life is extended by criminalizing alternate media competition, they will be less effective then Provda ever was even near the end.

As is almost always the case, we'll only really know the answers until after the fact.  Kinda like the now popular and completely ridiculous 'we have to pass the bill to see what is in it' I suppose.

Meanwhile, looking at the above 3 posts, seems like some of the paid Hitlery Trolls that got run out of Reddit are perching here for a while.

I've started using the ignore feature here for the first time in half a decade.  These are either primitive bots which don't really even qualify as AI, or very pathetic sock-puppets trying to use the board as free advertising.  This zombie army seems to take two sides of a given issue (Trump vs. Hillary, 2nd amendment, 9/11, global warming, etc.)  Thankfully they are at this point fairly easy to spot but unfortunately that won't always be the case.  For now we can focus on identifying the higher budget flesh containing agents working multiple projects from a set of playbooks...and maybe occasionally striking out on their own because of their innate human weaknesses

Actually, you do have to vote Hillary in to see what you got.

Just like you had to vote Obama in to see what you got.

Now Mr. Trump, what you see is what you get.

Trump vs. Clinton.

Why not just vote for the honest one of the two?

[RoomBot]

Why not just vote for the honest one of the two?

Because there isn't one!!!

[tvbcof]

Actually, you do have to vote Hillary in to see what you got.

Just like you had to vote Obama in to see what you got.

Now Mr. Trump, what you see is what you get.

Trump vs. Clinton.

Why not just vote for the honest one of the two?

I'll not make a final judgement until I have enough information to feel confident in doing so.  The most distructive thing one can own is a crystal ball because such a thing does not exist.

There is, by my estimation about a 0.001% chance that Hillary Clinton will find some reason within herself to do the right thing by the nation and by humanity.

My calculations for Trump being 'for real' now exceed the 50.0% chance.  Again, the elevation is based very much on the depth and breadth of the attacks against him.

The odds make it perfectly obvious which way to vote.  More importantly, that it is actually worth voting.  Donald Trump seems to be a candidate that I never expected to see in a final, and didn't really think possible at this phase.  Or he is a fraud.  One way or another, for the first time in a long time I feel that voting for POTUS is actually a meaningful thing.  As such, if the election is stolen it will be a theft against me personally of something I actually care about.  And I hate being stolen from, especially if the thief is a powerful entity.  Really pisses me off.

[Spendulus]

Why not just vote for the honest one of the two?

Because there isn't one!!!

Somehow I doubt that.

I am not really sure I could prove it, and it could be said, that no person is perfect, or perfectly honest, and certainly Trump is not perfect.  Neither does he pretend to be.

[RoomBot]

I really don't want to pick a fight with you @Spendulus, but Trump has been caught lying --  and contradicting himself -- throughout the campaign, especially over his great respect for nasty women!   

[Spendulus]

I really don't want to pick a fight with you @Spendulus, but Trump has been caught lying --  and contradicting himself -- throughout the campaign, especially over his great respect for nasty women!  

Hmmm.....

Well, I'm going to cut anyone a break for lying about those great nasty women.  Only the really great ones, mind you.  The ones that take three beers to tell the story of.

Including Bill Clinton.

Not gonna cut anyone a break for lying about national security matters, or Bengazi, or a number of things of that nature.  Lying right out in the open, to you and me.  Doing a very poor job of it, one a child can see through. 

That's the Hitlery.

[RoomBot]

Agreed! 

& if you want to rant about HillBilly, I can join you there and add a few pages

a la Clinton Cash & Hillary: the movie, just for starters.

My personal peeves include her orchestrating attacks against Bernie & clearly cheating in 2 recent debates.

[4x4et]

The third world war will happen if Putin is not stopped. This can be done only Hillary. I will vote for her. Tramp crazy as to vote for him?

Looooooooooooooool

Stopped from what?

Imagine Rusia have their military bases in Mexico and Canada.

USA have surrounded Russia for no reason, thousands of miles away for home, they created ISIS just to sell weapons so they could help their economy, and you think Russia is the problem?

Watch less CNN and other garbage TV.

Your crazy grandma Hillary is ready for mental institution.

[Spendulus]

The third world war will happen if Putin is not stopped. This can be done only Hillary. I will vote for her. Tramp crazy as to vote for him?

Looooooooooooooool

Stopped from what?

Imagine Rusia have their military bases in Mexico and Canada.

USA have surrounded Russia for no reason, thousands of miles away for home, they created ISIS just to sell weapons so they could help their economy, and you think Russia is the problem?

Watch less CNN and other garbage TV.

Your crazy grandma Hillary is ready for mental institution.

True.  Russia is not "the problem."

Trying to raise the old cold war enemy, Russia...it just isn't gonna work.

[BillyBobZorton]

I was convinced that Trump would lose against Hillary after the 3 debates, but right now im not sure anymore... the email leaks don't stop coming, and the polls are looking real tight, we'll see.

[Spendulus]

The third world war will happen if Putin is not stopped. This can be done only Hillary. I will vote for her. Tramp crazy as to vote for him?

Looooooooooooooool

Stopped from what?

Imagine Rusia have their military bases in Mexico and Canada.

USA have surrounded Russia for no reason, thousands of miles away for home, they created ISIS just to sell weapons so they could help their economy, and you think Russia is the problem?

Watch less CNN and other garbage TV.

Your crazy grandma Hillary is ready for mental institution.

Of course, that's why she is so at home in Washington DC.

[monbux]

I was convinced that Trump would lose against Hillary after the 3 debates, but right now im not sure anymore... the email leaks don't stop coming, and the polls are looking real tight, we'll see.

The debates were cringe-y at best.  Just 2 grown-ass adults bickering and name calling and insulting each other.  One of them should have used their brain and just PRETENDED to be the more sensible one... Would have made them look a whole lot better.

[Goldman Enterprises]

I think it would be an interesting social experiment if Trump won the election . Clinton would just be the same old same old rubbish we get.

[RoomBot]

I think it would be an interesting social experiment if Trump won the election . Clinton would just be the same old same old rubbish we get.

She would be worse, much worse.

She has not taken a stand against Monsanto.

She has not promised to bring home our troops.

She has not promised to close Guantanamo Bay.

Obama ran on these promises-- and didn't even keep them.  SMH   

She is a very dangerous globalist.

[clickerz]

I was convinced that Trump would lose against Hillary after the 3 debates, but right now im not sure anymore... the email leaks don't stop coming, and the polls are looking real tight, we'll see.

Trump is making noise,as always while Hillary is kind of a decent candidate.It is a tight race between them as there are more election issues that coming out,more disinformation also.An educated voter is a must,to discern those issues and unmask the incompetent one.

[Caladonian]

I was convinced that Trump would lose against Hillary after the 3 debates, but right now im not sure anymore... the email leaks don't stop coming, and the polls are looking real tight, we'll see.

Trump is making noise,as always while Hillary is kind of a decent candidate.It is a tight race between them as there are more election issues that coming out,more disinformation also.An educated voter is a must,to discern those issues and unmask the incompetent one.

Lets wait and see the result i know both candidates have their own issue and its depend on the voters perception to choose who's going to support we are all praying for what is the best and who will be elected whoever wins hope america will still stay strong.

[dawnasor]

This two presidential candidate have a good  platform for the USA  and the citizens too but the people choose the best one that fit to become president so we wait the election result to know the people choice.

[DonValenteeno]

This two presidential candidate have a good  platform for the USA  and the citizens too but the people choose the best one that fit to become president so we wait the election result to know the people choice.

Oh, here's the deal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dPNQaWeiIE

[Slow death]

Hillary is our only hope if trump gets elected God help our world because we are doomed

Hillary shows if someone cynical, I do not live in the USA, but someone from the Third World like me I can see that many news channels are manipulated to be against trump.