Edit: Instead of responding to this thread, OgN added another accusation to my neg feedback "Posts out of context edited PMs in an attempt to discredit forum members"
Here are the screen shots of every single pm I've had with OgN: INBOX -
SENT
I will be directing anyone who thinks OGNastys high level of trust has anything to do with the site he chooses to promote in his signature (Betcoin.ag) to this thread. Example
To avoid being accused of putting a spin on what really happened, I've included every pm between OGNasty and myself. The only editing was removing re-quotes to make it easier to read. I'm happy to provide screenshots or give a trusted member/mod access to my account to verify everything is authentic.
Hi,
I'm disappointed to see you have decided to promote Betcoin.ag Are you aware of the scam accusations made against them that they have refused to address?
I'm not affiliated with any site, just a professional online poker player with over 10 million hands played on various sites that believes Bitcoin has the potential to solve many of the problems my industry faces.
If you are unfamiliar with the issues with Betcoin.ag, would you be willing to hear me out? I'm happy to explain any or all and provide evidence.
TwitchySeal
I've been contacted by several members today about their issues. There's really nothing I can do about it at this point. I took their money to advertise for the month. At the end of the month I can certainly try to find a replacement advertiser who has a better reputation, but not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.
If I were you, I wouldn't take it as a sign I am vouching for them. Take it for what it is, I am taking their money for a limited advertisement.
It doesn't matter how I take it, I already know about Betcoin.ag It's how people who don't know about Betcoin.ag take it that concerns me.
You are one of the most trusted/respected members on this forum and every post you've made now includes a promotion for Betcoin claiming they are "the most trusted bitcoin and litecoin casino". The reason they are paying you so much is because of your reputation.
Betcoin has many issues. The biggest issue, however, is how they handle all the smaller ones. They don't. They simply ignore players who have issues. For the last couple months literally the only place they would respond was in their signature campaign thread.
They recently switched to a self moderated thread, their final post before locking the old one:
Betcoin is trying to buy a reputation they don't deserve.
Please give them their money back and stop allowing them to leach off your good reputation.
You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.
I just want you to understand that your decision to promote Betcoin will have a very real effect on individuals and communities. If you're interested I'd be happy to elaborate on what kind of effects they will be and provide evidence to back it up.
If you're just interested in selling your signature and reputation to the highest bidder, I'm definitely wasting my time.
I've been extremely vocal that I think signature campaigns are evil. I've done everything I can to bring a stop to them. I've even made proposals to limit them to extremes. I also think that gambling is evil and do not support or condone it in any way, nor do I participate.
We are all adults here. Everyone knows it is a paid signature. Easy for you to say to give the money back, but unless you want to put your money where your mouth is, please spare me the lectures.
I go on vacation and don't log on for a few days. When I return, I see ognasty has left me negative feedback.
And the following message:
Remove it...
Hi,
I've been traveling and honestly not sure what you're referring to.
Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.
I will not be bullied or extorted into not fulfilling my promises to paid advertisers.
"Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members."
Care to elaborate?
Who am I extorting? How?
I don't want to argue. You've provided trust for a user who is using his trust to blackmail me into either paying BTC or not fulfilling my signature auction responsibilities.
I don't want to discuss it any further. "game-protect" and anyone associated with the trust chain is guilty of extortion by default in the same manner I am guilty for who won my signature auction, only difference is the winner of my signature auction was beyond my control.
I hope this explains my stance. So long as the negative feedback exists, the extortion attempt is valid and I will not be altering my trust stance. No further discussion on this issue is necessary.
Have I been disrespectful to you in any way?
I didn't mean to if so.
I'm trying to make a difference doing what, in my honest opinion, is the right thing. I'm not affiliated with any business, I'm just someone with a passion for bitcoin and also a very experienced online poker player.
I'd like to request permission to make our communications via pm public.
Obviously making a private conversation public in an attempt to discredit me further would result in more negative feedback.
How about not giving trust to an alt account in order to attempt to extort me?
My goal isn't to discredit you. It's obvious you have little or no respect for me, I just want the truth to be known. How should I respond when people defend Betcoin by pointing out one of the most trusted members on the forum promotes them. Example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg15796624#msg15796624Will you make a thread with all of our communications made public please? Or at least explain your stance of gambling and sig campaigns being evil/you're only doing it for the money and would remove sig for 1btc?
Who you trust or don't trust is your decision. I've never asked anyone to trust me or untrust anyone else and I'm not going to ask you either.
You should know though, until a few days ago I had another feedback with games-protect I have since removed because he made a good point and am still questioning myself whether or not I should put it back.
I will not remove my current comment because I believe it to be true. He has helped expose several unethical casinos and likely saved people a lot of money. I don't take anything
I don't know what your talking about as far as extortion, and I can't consider it if you won't explain yourself.
We are both active on other forums and have some history, the "todd" I'm referring to is
Todd Witilles the owner of pokerfraudalert.com
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-GaloreMost likely you don't even give a shit about any of this so I'll stop rambling - if you do though, I'm happy to discuss anything. I'd like to in fact.
The user threatened to left me negative feedback unless I send funds back to the purchaser of my signature auction and remove the signature. That is extortion and I have 0 respect for people who try to bully me. I also have 0 tolerance for this type of behavior. If you guys want to pick a fight with one of the most trusted people and employees of this forum as some sort of vengeance scheme, good luck. It isn't that I don't respect you, it is that I don't respect this extorting behavior and have 0 tolerance for it or anyone that supports it.
I have made my comments about signature campaigns publicly known. I'm not going to go back searching through threads to try and find my comments or waste any more time explaining why giving a user negative feedback for who won their auction is ridiculous, or waste my time pointing out that they bought my signature and anyone is welcome to do so. If you choose who is trustworthy by who spends the most on advertising, you have a long hard life ahead of you. Take some responsibility and let other people be responsible for who they choose to gamble with. I couldn't care less. As far as I'm concerned all gambling sites are scams that prey on people's addictions. Trying to say that I deserve negative feedback because of which scam won my auction is once again ridiculous.
This forum has a policy of not moderating scams. I have also been vocal about removal of this policy, but it is simply too big of a task. I don't know what sort of background investigations you expect me to perform on advertisers who buy my signature, but if you guys think that I spend literally any time caring, you are mistaken. I put the space up for auction, people bid, I provide the winner with what I say. Nothing about this makes me untrusted and aligning yourself with someone who wishes to attempt to extort me into bowing to their demands will only make you look bad to this community as a whole, as that user is a red painted extorting piece of shit, and I'm a user who has helped thousands of members on this forum, has one of the highest trust ratings of anyone here, and is literally paid for my contributions here.
Please do not continue baiting me into PMs for the purpose of trying to make me look bad. I'm in the right here. You guys are obviously in the wrong and using extortion techniques as a means for control will continue to disappoint you.
I strongly disagree with the way you justify promoting Betcoin.ag and will be creating a thread about your stance and argument you've presented tomorrow.
This has absolutely nothing to do with your neg rep comment you left me and everything to do with what you consider "extortion" and your rationale behind/what I believe the result will be from your decision to promote Betcoin.ag I will be leaving negative feedback for everyone that promotes Betcoin.ag this week.
I don't want to start a war with you or anyone, this is just an attempt at being transparent with my thoughts . I do not intend to do any damage to your reputation. (I'm also not naive enough to think I could) The way you are handling this really bothers me , I feel like maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining the situation and hopefully someone you respect will see the thread and say something that makes you look at things from a perspective you aren't now. Or several perspectives.
Not my stance dude. It's the forum's stance. If you don't like it, you can leave. Burning your account trust to try and prove some point about me providing exactly what I said I would provide to the winner of my signature auction only makes you look foolish.
I've said I agree with you about gambling, scams, signatures... I even said I would not let them advertise when their month contract is up. You seem to not agree with me about how much time and effort I should put into vetting gambling sites, or any other site that chooses to buy my signature advertising. You think I should research every single member here and put up auction rules banning them in advance. You're ridiculous, your stance is ridiculous, the way you're trying to handle it is ridiculous, and you're going to lose any shred of credibility you think you have by continuing forward with this course of action.
You think I should not honor the terms of my auction, or I am untrustworthy. Even going as far as to attempt to join in on an extortion attempt. This will end poorly for you.
He ordered me to send my BTC to another party or he was going to retaliate. That's extortion. Pretty simple.
Edit: A day or so after creating this thread I sent OgN the following pm and received a response.
Hi,
Just wanted to make sure you were aware of
this thread so that I won't incorrectly assume you are choosing not to respond.
I've been waiting to discuss my opinion for you to respond. I've tried to approach the situation as objectively and transparently as possible.
Also I would appreciate it if you let me know who or what led you to conclude that Games-Direct is my alt.
I think it's a safe assumption that you didn't reach this conclusion on your own, but I could be wrong I suppose.
Thanks,
TwitchySeal
I've wasted more than enough time responding to your extortion attempts. Welcome to my ignore/block list.
Edit: OgN has changed the feedback he left me:
(I deny all of his accusation and have posted screen shots of all the pms I've received from him at top of thread)
Having a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and dragging in other members to remove their advertising and twisting shit up makes me give you the red you deserve.
