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Author Topic: Brutal trust abuse by lutpin ? ( solved - Lutpin was flexible and changed it :)  (Read 1060 times)
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August 16, 2016, 03:34:50 AM
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Final outcome after discussion here : lutpin changed it after a review of this.

I was out of my place when I saw this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1331507.0

The user was HERO I think when he asked for a loan.

People told him that no collateral = no loan

I am fine and agree friends but then we know that trusted members get loan without collateral here, what I mean by trusted is non newbies or juniors .. in fact I myself look 0.02 btc loan and repaid ( no collateral)

Why is ONLYfree being tagged ?

Most people and even me when I was reading thread now doubted him by asking a signature from old address, the best part is he did signed and verified it !

Hey Lutpin I sent you a message, please put more light on this.

I am sorry if it hurt you guys but really I think DT members are also humans and in fact should be more careful when giving trust.

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August 16, 2016, 03:59:32 AM
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Threads like this is useless. Lutpin is one of the untouchables in bitcointalk. No matter what abuse he would commit will not be remove from default trust.

Who wants him to be removed from DT ? AT LEAST NOT ME REALLY.

I just want that he should not give red feedbacks for fun and more because he is in DT of this forum. I hope at least he understands it.

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August 16, 2016, 04:05:07 AM
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Threads like this is useless. Lutpin is one of the untouchables in bitcointalk. No matter what abuse he would commit will not be remove from default trust.

There is no such thing as "untouchable" here, except for Theymos.  Everyone can be removed from default trust if they make too many mistakes.

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August 16, 2016, 04:06:30 AM
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People who ask for no-collateral loans like that urging lenders to be fast are super sketchy.  Was Lutpin even on DT at the time?  I forget when he was added.  I would probably say if the account isn't hacked then he probably doesn't still deserve a neg.  That was like 7 months ago.

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August 16, 2016, 04:10:04 AM
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People who ask for no-collateral loans like that urging lenders to be fast are super sketchy.  Was Lutpin even on DT at the time?  I forget when he was added.  I would probably say if the account isn't hacked then he probably doesn't still deserve a neg.  That was like 7 months ago.

I think that was before I added him into the DT network. I do agree that the feedback should be changed since he signed a message. People in the DT network are held to higher standards since their feedback carries more weight. Also "brutal abuse" is a bit of a stretch lol...

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August 16, 2016, 04:15:41 AM
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People who ask for no-collateral loans like that urging lenders to be fast are super sketchy.  Was Lutpin even on DT at the time?  I forget when he was added.  I would probably say if the account isn't hacked then he probably doesn't still deserve a neg.  That was like 7 months ago.

I think that was before I added him into the DT network. I do agree that the feedback should be changed since he signed a message. People in the DT network are held to higher standards since their feedback carries more weight. Also "brutal abuse" is a bit of a stretch lol...

I am sorry if so ( if he was added later in the DT ) .

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I do agree that the feedback should be changed since he signed a message.

Yes that's the point I want to make, basically a member with 800+ activity is tagged as a scammer just because lutpin did a mistake.

Anyways I hope ONLYfree gets his feedback removed and Lutpin become a little more serious when giving -VE trust ( a neutral is great if you ever think something is wrong )



I can see lutpin was online moments ago and I hope he has read my message which I sent along with opening this thread, and he replies soon Smiley

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August 16, 2016, 04:23:08 AM
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First off, this is no Meta topic, it belongs into Reputation.



I just want that he should not give red feedbacks for fun and more because he is in DT of this forum. I hope at least he understands it.
I never once left a feedback "for fun". That's not my way, that's not how I use the feedback system.

Also "brutal abuse" is a bit of a stretch lol...
Indeed. I don't even think you should call it abuse, as I left feedback how I saw it fit back then, I saw something sketchy and left a feedback over it.

I think that was before I added him into the DT network.
Based on the seven months ago named earlier, it has to be shortly before, yes.

I do agree that the feedback should be changed since he signed a message.
Let me quickly revisit the thread and check.

And Lutpin become a little more serious when giving -VE trust ( a neutral is great if you ever think something is wrong )
This strongly depends on the situation, sometimes yes, sometines no.



@OP: Is ONLYfree your alt account?


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August 16, 2016, 04:27:46 AM
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First off, this is no Meta topic, it belongs into Reputation.



I just want that he should not give red feedbacks for fun and more because he is in DT of this forum. I hope at least he understands it.
I never once left a feedback "for fun". That's not my way, that's not how I use the feedback system.

Also "brutal abuse" is a bit of a stretch lol...
Indeed. I don't even think you should call it abuse, as I left feedback how I saw it fit back then, I saw something sketchy and left a feedback over it.

I think that was before I added him into the DT network.
Based on the seven months ago named earlier, it has to be shortly before, yes.

I do agree that the feedback should be changed since he signed a message.
Let me quickly revisit the thread and check.



@OP: Is ONLYfree your alt account?

I am not a alt of him or in any way related to him ( ask moderators or admin to check my messages history or anything )

If you support someone who is right does not mean you always desire a favor, do you ?

Sorry for calling it as abuse, but you should be very careful because your " so called I saw it fit back then " can destroy a legendary member's account. I have no personal revenge with you mate, neither I want you to be removed or such.

Just want you to be more careful, if you are against listening anything against you even if you re wrong/not really on spot, well then I m sorry.

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August 16, 2016, 04:48:48 AM
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Just want you to be more careful, if you are against listening anything against you even if you re wrong/not really on spot, well then I m sorry.
I never said that, looking up there, I asked for a little time to revisit the thread, make myself another image of the situation and decide how to proceed.

Sorry for calling it as abuse, but you should be very careful because your " so called I saw it fit back then " can destroy a legendary member's account. I have no personal revenge with you mate, neither I want you to be removed or such.
Feedbacks aren't irreversible, I will continue to leave them to the best of my knowledge and belief.

If you support someone who is right does not mean you always desire a favor, do you?
Depends, you're going through length and beyond (e.g. your signature calling me out, dafuq.), it raised a question, nothing more.



Upon re-examinating the situation, the user asked for a no-collateral loan back in January (yes, that was indeed a month before I was added to DT2, I've been on DT4 that time).
The loan was supposed to be 0.3BTC and the comment was "looking fast, no collateral.", which even now raises my first suspicon.
The next comment from the user goes as following "Im trusted member here, many peoples who offering loans know me."
Back at the time, the user had a 0 trust score and (when including untrusted feedback) a total of 1 feedback over a loan, on top, their password had been reset recently.

I still think I was right to leave the feedback back then, however, I also think I probably should have removed it a month or two later (given that the user didn't ask for further loans inbetween).
A hero member without any prior trust should not ask for loans of a size well over their accounts worth without providing any collateral. Simply being a hero doesn't make you trusted, and a basic rule of the lending section goes as following:

The rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" means that in order to get a loan you must give collateral that is equal, or preferably higher to the amount you are being loaned.

If you completely ignore this sticky and make a loan request with no collateral, without having massive trust on the forum, the chances of you getting negative trusted feedback and therefore having a Trade with Extreme Caution tag is almost 100%.
Being a hero doesn't change anything about this.
The way the user reacted to me (and others) calling them out on this was another reason why I indeed saw the need for a negative, the retaliated, insulted me in PMs and the thread.
An example of how they react can be given from one of their latest feedbacks, going like this "Make more valuable with your mouth, suck a dick!", I recall getting similar PMs and feedbacks.



tl;dr: I have revised my feedback to a neutral, given the restraint that the user does not ask for big no-collateral loans in the future.
I still don't trust this user and think they should adjust their way of dealing with others on this forum.


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August 16, 2016, 04:51:56 AM
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Thanks lutpin, shall I lock it or anyone has something to say ?

Ok I will lock this after 12 hours.

I am really happy and glad to see that DT members are flexible too and I am sorry lutpin if I hurt you in any ways.

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August 16, 2016, 05:17:20 AM
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So, since we're done talking about me, let's talk about you for a second, shall we?

I think you owe everyone an explanation of your connection to the account Nauro.
Nauro used the address 1HpeH to receive a payment here (http://archive.is/pjl9G#selection-4409.6-4409.40):

http://bestnewsbitcoins.blogspot.in/
btc : 1HpeHatT1qVNFJwDH4QXFZrHY4JTSVq4ig
Traffic status :
Its very new and in coming days the news site (on which ur article is published ) will be a very big site and a revolution !
You've been repeatedly asking for a loan to the very same address, one example being here (http://archive.is/EXhj5):

Hello need loan with following details
[...]
address : 1HpeHatT1qVNFJwDH4QXFZrHY4JTSVq4ig

Further, your "default" btc address used is 1955x which you use several times, e.g. around here (http://archive.is/Ldfof#50%):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248467.msg15760388#msg15760388

Both addresses are spent-linked through several transactions, to name one:

29a4e3e96ec0186a150bea8974f64caa97a85c16444955bd1dd14b91ed12842b



Any further questions? None? Well, I got a few.



You also use another address from an unrelated wallet from time to time. I'm talking about the 1Juf6 address used in a giveaway here (http://archive.is/Jm7u1#selection-3837.0-3837.34):

Thats very generous and actually I have hardly seen anyone who returns the favour, thanks man Smiley
Usually people learn, earn and run, you are different !
1Juf6G2L6oWgjQTqM4bT6krCPPYU3PGgih

That address is spent-linked via txid 43208a099bda1d43a7e3d236a59297cf16fd980777e7096e7b1ebebda1e43c50 to the address 19Vbc.

The 19Vbc address is being used by Nauro aswell (http://archive.is/Tu0xB#selection-9123.17-9123.51):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1086516.msg11591083#msg11591083

And further, this address is used by superSTAR777 over here (http://archive.is/n2UV4):

Loan Amount : 0.05 BTC
[...]
Your BTC Address  : 19Vbc8gA7ZTdYizkhKMqDBvEQBkMSqiEEf
Date of repayment  : Before 22nd march 2015

superSTAR777 is tied to several defaulted loans, you just have to check their trust page.



I could go on, want me to?


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August 16, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
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Hello,
I was surprise that I found topic with my username inside.

Anyway, when I asked loan, I had hero account with around 700 activity, plus my account have some trust deep, so 0.3 btc is not big loan as you said, and my account was worth more than 0.3 in asking time.


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August 16, 2016, 12:30:52 PM
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Hello lutpin, sure.

I have bought this account from someone. In fact I have bought many accounts ( I believe its allowed here ) . I wanted to earn with yobit but unfortunately it was ruined by some lender.

Now you might wonder how that relates to me being using his addresses ? That is because when I bought the account, I was handed over the keys of all the addresses mentioned and linked in this account. He gave me a blockchain account and told me that if I want to not get red trust then better I use the addresses given by him and to receive payments personally I can transfer to them to my wallet.

I agreed because I never knew that those addresses were being used by scammers earlier.

I would be more than happy to answer any questions.

And once all is solved I would lock this thread.

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August 17, 2016, 04:15:34 AM
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Threads like this is useless. Lutpin is one of the untouchables in bitcointalk. No matter what abuse he would commit will not be remove from default trust.

Who wants him to be removed from DT ? AT LEAST NOT ME REALLY.

I just want that he should not give red feedbacks for fun and more because he is in DT of this forum. I hope at least he understands it.

As someone who doesn't know any of you except for being names on a screen. 

I am thankful to see and read Feedback left on accounts, red, orange whatever.  Feedback allows others to see and make up their own minds.  The person who leaves the Feedback doesn't matter to me. What the Feedback says and References, does, I can make up my own mind. Is the red justified? Is the Feedback legit? etc

I've seen accounts bought and sold.  I've seen people offer "other accounts". I could care less what your "hero" "legendary" DT and blah blah is if you have "other accounts"; if you've sold accounts..........that's shady to me.  It's shady because: Why do you have "other" accounts?  Why not just have 1 and whatever you say is there?

As far as Luptin goes, I like their Feedback, I read it and move along.  Is the Feedback Golden? a Rule? NO But, thus far reading anything that has been left has been beneficial for this community.

I, also noticed you MargonCreatives, because I look in the Loans, Games/akaPonzi crap, those selling things etc.  Basically, I look at sections where there is a possibility of someone getting screwed.  Because, I'm keeping my only account; I am involved in BTC and this forum;  I may buy/sell and I don't want to get shafted  Angry

When you asked for a loan, u caught my attention. For now all I can see is what's here and time tells all.  Thanks to all who do try to keep things legit.  I find it sickening the scams.  Yes it happens in fiat.  But having it happen as much as it does in BTC world seriously ruins it.  I understand why my friends were weary.  If I didn't know the good of Bitcoin, I would think Bitcoin is bullshit just based on the scamming that goes on here.

My 2cents no one asked for  Cheesy

~Be Wise & Scrutinize Everything~~Scammers are like roaches squash 1 there's millions more hiding~I will NEVER ask for a loan~I got plenty of my own ~ BIGGEST lie to date said about me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2046485.msg20429473#new
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