[ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform

[rgornik]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

[Daparski]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

I've already written this about ICN dividends:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5bi5em/what_defines_success_for_icnp/?st=ivdx8vk1&sh=07c6dbb9

As the article above discusses,  ICNP needs to go from its initial $4.6M to 2.7X during 2017 for a 15% annual dividend and 3.7X during 2017 for a 25% annual dividend.  Hitting 3.7X would make ICN a better dividend asset than any stock on NASDAQ and make ICONOMI a rock-star crypto on Wall Street.  

So let's look at the rock-star crypto 3.7X case.  $4.6M X 3.7 = $17M.    Profit is $17M - $4.6M = $12.4M.    Dividends to be distributed during 2017 would be 20% of that profit or $12.4M*0.20 = $2.5M.  These dividends would be distributed over 100M ICN tokens so each ICN token would receive $2.5M / 100M = 0.025 USD = 2.5 cents per ICN token over ALL of 2017.  If there was a constant weekly distribution of dividends over the 52 weeks in 2017, then the weekly distribution for each ICN would be 0.025 USD / 52 = 0.0005 USD per week or one-twentieth of a penny per week per ICN.  

So to equal the very best dividend stock on NASDAQ, ICONOMI must provide dividends per individual ICN token of $0.0005 USD per week or 0.025 USD total during all of 2017.

This analysis ignores other income streams besides ICNP.  This also ignores buying still more ICN weekly with your dividends for a compounding effect.

Getting back to the quote at the top of this post, EVERYBODY would be very satisfied with $0.10 weekly dividend per individual ICN.  This would mean ICONOMI would be paying out out $0.10 * 52 = $5.20 during 2017 on each ICO $0.1257 ICN token.  They would need $5.20 * 100M = $520M in cash to distribute as dividends to meet this 0.10USD per week per ICN target.  If this half-billion dollar dividend pool came from 20% of ICNP total profits, then the ICNP profits need to be $520M/0.2 = $2.6 billion.  With a B.  Growing the ICNP from its current $4.6M to $2.6046B is a multiplier of 566X, in a direct comparison of the 3.7X multiplier above that would make ICONOMI a NASDAQ rock star.

Hope is a good thing for the human mind to have.  Math is a better thing for the human mind to have.

Now, is ICN a panic sell if they can't hit a ridiculous 566X profit multiplier and turn ICNP into a multi-billion dollar fund in under 12 months to feed everybody's totally unrealistic dreams of $0.10 weekly profits per ICN?  Not at all.

ICN IS NOT A PANIC SELL WHEN YOU SUDDENLY REALIZE THE TRUTH ABOUT IT.   IT IS A DEFINITE BUY.

ICONOMI is not aimed at crypto children that don't know enough math to realize when their dreams are ridiculous.  ICONOMI is aimed at traditional fiat investors that currently have WAY WAY WAY more money to invest than the entire total in crypto right now.  And those traditional fiat investors are all crazy starved for income yield since the central banks have collapsed interest rates to zero over the past eight years.  

IF ICONOMI CAN HIT A 3.7X MULTIPLIER FOR ICNP TO BECOME BETTER THAN ANY OTHER NASDAQ DIVIDEND INVESTMENT, TRADITIONAL INVESTORS WILL POUR HUGE AMOUNTS INTO BUYING UP ICN TOKENS TO SECURE THAT DIVIDEND LEVEL FOR THEMSELVES.

Traditional fiat investors do not live in the crypto dream fantasy world of hoping for 566X multipliers on crypto-ICO performance funds.  They live in the real world where they will pour HUGE sums of money into purchasing any investment that can give them a 25% annual return on their money.  

That may be ICN tokens very soon, if ICONOMI can turn $4.6M into $17M during 2017 by investing ICNP funds into startup crypto efforts.

And you certainly should not panic about putting your money into something that could quite easily give you 25% or more return on your investment annually.

I am HODLING.

There's also this:

Actually, to get to Ethereum's current level of success ICN must only go to 0.1257 * 32 = $4.02 each.   This implies a market cap of "only" $400M.

Also, as a mined coin, Ethereum has inflation of 18M ETH per year.  As an unmined token, ICN has 0% inflation forever.   This is a permanent advantage that ICN has over ETH in being priced as a crypto asset.

True... 0% Inflation is another reason why ICN MarketCap will eventually surpass ETH MarketCap.

Another reason why ICONOMI is going to the moon:
ICN total supply of 100million IS FINAL, NEVER GOES UP. 0% Inflation.
ICN Dividends are paid in ETH, not ICN.
Dividends are NOT like Lisk Proof-of-Stake or ETH proof-of-work systems where new coins are added DAILY to Lisk & ETH total supply.
ICN won't suffer from daily dumping by Mining Farms on the Exchanges like ETH & Lisk.

Dear Mal,

thank you for taking the time and posting again your great posts, even though it makes you feel like the weatherman.
It would be interesting to meet you and the other HODLers in Iconomi convention in few years, each one with its founders card and new car/yacht.

How about house?

You can't use a house to come to the Iconomi annual founders convention


But if you buy big enough, you can host it

[Daparski]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

[Wall-Street]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

WEEKLY Dividends payments will increase exponentially once OFM platform launches and traders start their own funds & compete to be most profitable funds to gain more investors & more commission.
ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ICNX & ICNP AND from EVERY SINGLE FUND on OFM platform.
e.g. If OFM platform grows to 100 index funds, ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ALL THOSE 100 index funds... and from ICNX & ICNP

[Bitsyo]

Just 1 question - how will the dividends be distributed to those that will have ICN tokens on exchanges (eg. Kraken , ... ) - will Kraken receive them or those that reside on the exchanges won't receive dividends and will the % of those be split amongst other ICN token holders who have them personally.

[aDAPPter]

Just 1 question - how will the dividends be distributed to those that will have ICN tokens on exchanges (eg. Kraken , ... ) - will Kraken receive them or those that reside on the exchanges won't receive dividends and will the % of those be split amongst other ICN token holders who have them personally.

[Daparski]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

WEEKLY Dividends payments will increase exponentially once OFM platform launches and traders start their own funds & compete to be most profitable funds to gain more investors & more commission.
ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ICNX & ICNP AND from EVERY SINGLE FUND on OFM platform.
e.g. If OFM platform grows to 100 index funds, ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ALL THOSE 100 index funds.

Exactly. It will probably take few months to take off. Traditional investors will want to see how it works before jumping in.
Once they do Iconomi will really moom and behind

[Shaners42]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

I've already written this about ICN dividends:

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Appreciate that, thanks.

[Wall-Street]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

WEEKLY Dividends payments will increase exponentially once OFM platform launches and traders start their own funds & compete to be most profitable funds to gain more investors & more commission.
ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ICNX & ICNP AND from EVERY SINGLE FUND on OFM platform.
e.g. If OFM platform grows to 100 index funds, ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ALL THOSE 100 index funds.

Exactly. It will probably take few months to take off. Traditional investors will want to see how it works before jumping in.
Once they do Iconomi will really moom and behind

Pretty sure we'll reach 100 Index Funds on Day 1 after OFM platform launch...
Every crypto trader wants to be the next Gordon Gekko or Wolf of Wall Street
Top fund managers will attract investors as soon as they show some good trading history.

[Bitsyo]

Just 1 question - how will the dividends be distributed to those that will have ICN tokens on exchanges (eg. Kraken , ... ) - will Kraken receive them or those that reside on the exchanges won't receive dividends and will the % of those be split amongst other ICN token holders who have them personally.

Thank you for that - but what will be done with those dividends that would otherwise need to be paid to those token holders will they be split amoungst others? Eg if 30% of ICN tokens is on exchanges will the other 70% recieve the 100% of dividends that need to be distributed or will exchanges get those 30% ?

[BlockChainr]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

WEEKLY Dividends payments will increase exponentially once OFM platform launches and traders start their own funds & compete to be most profitable funds to gain more investors & more commission.
ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ICNX & ICNP AND from EVERY SINGLE FUND on OFM platform.
e.g. If OFM platform grows to 100 index funds, ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ALL THOSE 100 index funds.

Exactly. It will probably take few months to take off. Traditional investors will want to see how it works before jumping in.
Once they do Iconomi will really moom and behind

Pretty sure we'll reach 100 Index Funds on Day 1 after OFM platform launch...
Every crypto trader wants to be the next Gordon Gekko or Wolf of Wall Street
Top fund managers will attract investors as soon as they show some good trading history.

People will be so busy allocating their funds between top fund managers and index funds on OFM platform, they won't even know nor care that ICN holders are getting Dividends from every fund manager or index fund on OFM platform. That's what I find most appealing about holding ICN 

[u15776]

I`m a Swiss fund manager and very interested in OFM. But even in Switzerland regulation is heavy and therefore, most funds are constructed in Liechtenstein or Luxemburg.
Usually, Swiss fund managers are only the advisor to a foreign fund manager to bypass the need for a fund licence from the Swiss regulator.
My question is: Will ICONOMI be the fund manager and service provider (administrator) and the experts only the advisors?

If I am correct, funding will be via an ICO. Again, crowdfunding is less strictly regulated in Switzerland than abroad, but it`s still heavy for a smaller fund manager. You need a prospectus, a commercial register entry and an audited financial statement. As soon as you also collect abroad, you have to follow the crowdfunding rules of each single country.

It`s a dream to have a platform like OFM, I would love it, but there are a lot of regulatory obstacles. Regarding this, I contacted ICONOMI a few days ago. Let`s see if I get an answer.

By the way, Swiss based Ethereum did an ICO crowdfunding via donations, which is sailing close to the wind. Donations are usually taxed in Switzerland, either at the donator or in some cantons even as earnings taxes.

[HardwarePal]

Those that don't realise Iconomis potential will click at some point ( the train will have left the station though  )

Low Risk / Medium Risk / High Risk Funds

Top Performing Funds etc etc etc



My guess is the team are also going to run promotions for fund managers..

I need to buy more  

[ShooterXD]

The real potential is close, people who dump will cry a lot.

Just saying

[B!gSmoke]

I`m a Swiss fund manager and very interested in OFM. But even in Switzerland regulation is heavy and therefore, most funds are constructed in Liechtenstein or Luxemburg.
Usually, Swiss fund managers are only the advisor to a foreign fund manager to bypass the need for a fund licence from the Swiss regulator.
My question is: Will ICONOMI be the fund manager and service provider (administrator) and the experts only the advisors?

Yes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5d2efz/i_am_tim_m_zagar_cofounder_of_iconomi_fund/

You can read about that here in their last AMA. REPHolder asked the same question. (Second comment, first question)

[Daparski]

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-charlie-shrem-launch-intellisys-capital/

[B!gSmoke]

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-charlie-shrem-launch-intellisys-capital/

  Sounds familiar. 

[rgornik]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

WEEKLY Dividends payments will increase exponentially once OFM platform launches and traders start their own funds & compete to be most profitable funds to gain more investors & more commission.
ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ICNX & ICNP AND from EVERY SINGLE FUND on OFM platform.
e.g. If OFM platform grows to 100 index funds, ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ALL THOSE 100 index funds.

Exactly. It will probably take few months to take off. Traditional investors will want to see how it works before jumping in.
Once they do Iconomi will really moom and behind

Pretty sure we'll reach 100 Index Funds on Day 1 after OFM platform launch...
Every crypto trader wants to be the next Gordon Gekko or Wolf of Wall Street
Top fund managers will attract investors as soon as they show some good trading history.

The thing that I find here as a great danger is scam fund managers. Because if there will be few scam managers and if funds will be really badly managed (or even stolen) people might get bad conotation about OFM. Does anybody know how will Iconomi try to prevent that?

[btvGainer]

The real potential is close, people who dump will cry a lot.

Just saying

Lol yes just like all successful coins,early dumpers are the one who repent most.
ICN needs just another month before it hits the moon.Have patience and hold your ICN to make it big

[Wall-Street]

Has there been any estimates on how the dividend payment is calculated?

None yet, other then ICN holders will split 20% of the profits from all funds.

woow, woow, hold your horses, cowboy. The only 20% profits is from ICNP. If you don't directly invest into some fund, don't expect 20% of the profits.
For the passive managed funds, such as ICNX, expect something like 2% annual.
In any case, it is better to wait for further announcements, which for sure will come before OFM goes live.

But I think we need to stress also about other funds that will be run on their platform. I think with time there will be all different sorts of fund managers on the platform with different types of investing. Some will have safe investments (like ICNX), some will have higher risks (and possible higher returns) so it is quite unpredictable right now calculating % of whole profit for Iconomi company.

Yes, it is too soon trying to calculate the weekly dividends stream. I think that dividends will be very low in the beginning, at least few months into  fully operating OFM.

WEEKLY Dividends payments will increase exponentially once OFM platform launches and traders start their own funds & compete to be most profitable funds to gain more investors & more commission.
ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ICNX & ICNP AND from EVERY SINGLE FUND on OFM platform.
e.g. If OFM platform grows to 100 index funds, ICN holders get WEEKLY Dividends from ALL THOSE 100 index funds.

Exactly. It will probably take few months to take off. Traditional investors will want to see how it works before jumping in.
Once they do Iconomi will really moom and behind

Pretty sure we'll reach 100 Index Funds on Day 1 after OFM platform launch...
Every crypto trader wants to be the next Gordon Gekko or Wolf of Wall Street
Top fund managers will attract investors as soon as they show some good trading history.

The thing that I find here as a great danger is scam fund managers. Because if there will be few scam managers and if funds will be really badly managed (or even stolen) people might get bad conotation about OFM. Does anybody know how will Iconomi try to prevent that?

The managed funds will always be in posession of ICONOMI platform, not the fund managers. So theft can NEVER happen.
Go see how eToro.com and ZuluTrade.com work.