France(ism): ban the burkinis

[mOgliE]

You cannot walk into a bank wearing this, the cops will be called



Or this




Its all about fear, and who is behind the mask.

Read this, points out a few good arguments  Burqa On Trial

Those are good articles.  One thing, though.  It's not "fear."   There are a lot of good reasons we want to know, and deserve to know, who is behind the mask.

Would you take a check or a credit card transaction of substantial value from someone wearing a burka who gave you an ID card of someone wearing a burka?

Stupid argument. You have the right to ask the person to reveal their face when you're making a control of their ID. It doesn't mean you should ban it the rest of the time...

[BADecker]

Most of this thread is about bikinis, isn't it?


Bikinis? Burqinis? In Cannes They Test Your Swimsuit for ‘Secularism’

Not long after the horror in Nice a month ago—as soon as the police barricades were cleared, and while flowers and stuffed toys were piling up in memory of the 85 people who died—topless sunbathers were back on the beach beside the azure waters just below the scene of carnage on the Promenade des Anglais.

The banality of bare breasts seemed a statement of defiant normality, given where we were and what had happened: a two-bit sexual hustler with a Muslim background looking to turn his shitty little life into a global spectacle, apparently after he'd embraced the publicity campaign of the so-called Islamic State, drove a truck through the crowd that had been watching Bastille Day fireworks.

Read more at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/15/france-s-burqini-bans-use-same-reasoning-as-fundamental-islam.html.

[otrkid70]

If you don't like the laws there perhaps you should Move?    Nope Anything to force that Bullshit Religion on others.

[countryfree]

Well, let's welcome the future.



Somehow, it's easier in Saudi Arabia. Women have no right to go the beach. Problem solved! There used to be plenty of saudis and emiratis during summertime on the french riviera (I don't know if that's still the case, I haven't been there during summer for 3 years), and the women were really enjoying it because of all the freedom they can't have at home.

Many people had the dream that the freedom from Europe would move to the muslim world, but things are going the other way around. It's muslim restrictions which are brought to Europe. Sorry to point it out, but there are neighborhoods in France where a woman cannot wear a skirt anymore. Maybe in 20 years, women will be arrested for wearing a bikini. This is what muslims want.

[mOgliE]

If you don't like the laws there perhaps you should Move?    Nope Anything to force that Bullshit Religion on others.

Lol!

Or maybe you should have the right to say anything when the law was voted by a small elite without your opinion having ever count?

[BADecker]

If you don't like the laws there perhaps you should Move?    Nope Anything to force that Bullshit Religion on others.

Lol!

Or maybe you should have the right to say anything when the law was voted by a small elite without your opinion having ever count?

He just means that France hasn't gotten to the point of using force like the countries of the Middle East have.

[Masha Sha]

Well, let's welcome the future.



Somehow, it's easier in Saudi Arabia. Women have no right to go the beach. Problem solved! There used to be plenty of saudis and emiratis during summertime on the french riviera (I don't know if that's still the case, I haven't been there during summer for 3 years), and the women were really enjoying it because of all the freedom they can't have at home.

Many people had the dream that the freedom from Europe would move to the muslim world, but things are going the other way around. It's muslim restrictions which are brought to Europe. Sorry to point it out, but there are neighborhoods in France where a woman cannot wear a skirt anymore. Maybe in 20 years, women will be arrested for wearing a bikini. This is what muslims want.

I don't support that at all... Too much bad experienced with those so called religious women... Will they ban beers? Will they be supremacists and engage native English and western foreigners while discriminating positively to protect their brothers and sisters or faith? Do they believe that the English law is superior to the Quran. I don't believe so...

Tiiiiimmmmmeeee tooooo ffffllllleeee the Uk.

You cannot walk into a bank wearing this, the cops will be called



Or this




Its all about fear, and who is behind the mask.

Read this, points out a few good arguments  Burqa On Trial

A bank is a PRIVATE BUILDING like Facebook, their propriety, their laws.

Now I have a problem with burkinis in swimming pools. I don't think it's hygienic... Who knows if those clothes are cleaned...

[DooMAD]

You cannot walk into a bank wearing this, the cops will be called



Or this




Its all about fear, and who is behind the mask.

Except for the part where the face isn't actually covered, which is kind of a completely different argument.

Here are some diving/scuba wetsuits, the kind of thing people might wear at a place where you can go diving, like, I dunno... the beach maybe?



And by comparison, some burkinis:



The same amount of face is visible.  Or if anything, the wetsuits show a tiny bit less.  If one should be banned, so should the other, or you're a complete hypocrite. 

[xhomerx10]

Well, let's welcome the future.



Somehow, it's easier in Saudi Arabia. Women have no right to go the beach. Problem solved! There used to be plenty of saudis and emiratis during summertime on the french riviera (I don't know if that's still the case, I haven't been there during summer for 3 years), and the women were really enjoying it because of all the freedom they can't have at home.

Many people had the dream that the freedom from Europe would move to the muslim world, but things are going the other way around. It's muslim restrictions which are brought to Europe. Sorry to point it out, but there are neighborhoods in France where a woman cannot wear a skirt anymore. Maybe in 20 years, women will be arrested for wearing a bikini. This is what muslims want.

I don't support that at all... Too much bad experienced with those so called religious women... Will they ban beers? Will they be supremacists and engage native English and western foreigners while discriminating positively to protect their brothers and sisters or faith? Do they believe that the English law is superior to the Quran. I don't believe so...

Tiiiiimmmmmeeee tooooo ffffllllleeee the Uk.

You cannot walk into a bank wearing this, the cops will be called



Or this




Its all about fear, and who is behind the mask.

Read this, points out a few good arguments  Burqa On Trial

A bank is a PRIVATE BUILDING like Facebook, their propriety, their laws.

Now I have a problem with burkinis in swimming pools. I don't think it's hygienic... Who knows if those clothes are cleaned...

 I believe a bank would be considered a semi-public space.  Regardless of the definition, the space inside a private building doesn't lend one immunity to the laws of the state with the exception of foreign embassies and even then, only to a certain degree.  The burkini ban wasn't state law; it was regional and was overturned by the state.  The same fate would come to any rule, imposed by any business, that violated state law.
 At any rate, the bank has no authority to make laws.

[Masha Sha]

You serve cake to whom ever you want. You ban access to whom ever you want. The state can't discriminate, however a private business is the rule maker of his empire, how small or wide it can be.

Then you can't go in a swimsuit in swimming pools. Hygienic reasons.

[xhomerx10]

You serve cake to whom ever you want. You ban access to whom ever you want. The state can't discriminate, however a private business is the rule maker of his empire, how small or wide it can be.

Then you can't go in a swimsuit in swimming pools. Hygienic reasons.

 You can't ban access to whomever you want in my country.  Businesses in the US have tried to ban peopel carrying guns in open-carry states to no avail.  If people have the right to carry a gun, business owners cannot bar them from entry because they carry a gun.  What you are saying is simply untrue.

 Swimming pools are heavily chlorinated.  I'm not sure what you're on about.  I would be more worried about tuberculosis than anything transmissible via pool water.

[Masha Sha]

You serve cake to whom ever you want. You ban access to whom ever you want. The state can't discriminate, however a private business is the rule maker of his empire, how small or wide it can be.

Then you can't go in a swimsuit in swimming pools. Hygienic reasons.

 You can't ban access to whomever you want in my country.  Businesses in the US have tried to ban peopel carrying guns in open-carry states to no avail.  If people have the right to carry a gun, business owners cannot bar them from entry because they carry a gun.  What you are saying is simply untrue.

 Swimming pools are heavily chlorinated.  I'm not sure what you're on about.  I would be more worried about tuberculosis than anything transmissible via pool water.

Chlorinated is not the answer... But shower before... How to clean with a burkinis on? Good luck entering a bank with your ar on your back...

You don't accept that in my world a business is suprem with his laws, specially when it s not a threat to you (gmo, nukes excluded for example). If you don't agree boycott!

[xhomerx10]

You serve cake to whom ever you want. You ban access to whom ever you want. The state can't discriminate, however a private business is the rule maker of his empire, how small or wide it can be.

Then you can't go in a swimsuit in swimming pools. Hygienic reasons.

 You can't ban access to whomever you want in my country.  Businesses in the US have tried to ban peopel carrying guns in open-carry states to no avail.  If people have the right to carry a gun, business owners cannot bar them from entry because they carry a gun.  What you are saying is simply untrue.

 Swimming pools are heavily chlorinated.  I'm not sure what you're on about.  I would be more worried about tuberculosis than anything transmissible via pool water.

Chlorinated is not the answer... But shower before... How to clean with a burkinis on? Good luck entering a bank with your ar on your back...

You don't accept that in my world a business is suprem with his laws, specially when it s not a threat to you (gmo, nukes excluded for example). If you don't agree boycott!

 As I said, businesses can't make laws.  Your world has yet to come into existence but we may not be far from a world where businesses make the laws.  At this point in time, the best they can do is lobby government officials (possibly bribe depending on the country).

[BADecker]

You serve cake to whom ever you want. You ban access to whom ever you want. The state can't discriminate, however a private business is the rule maker of his empire, how small or wide it can be.

Then you can't go in a swimsuit in swimming pools. Hygienic reasons.

 You can't ban access to whomever you want in my country.  Businesses in the US have tried to ban peopel carrying guns in open-carry states to no avail.  If people have the right to carry a gun, business owners cannot bar them from entry because they carry a gun.  What you are saying is simply untrue.

 Swimming pools are heavily chlorinated.  I'm not sure what you're on about.  I would be more worried about tuberculosis than anything transmissible via pool water.

Chlorinated is not the answer... But shower before... How to clean with a burkinis on? Good luck entering a bank with your ar on your back...

You don't accept that in my world a business is suprem with his laws, specially when it s not a threat to you (gmo, nukes excluded for example). If you don't agree boycott!

 As I said, businesses can't make laws.  Your world has yet to come into existence but we may not be far from a world where businesses make the laws.  At this point in time, the best they can do is lobby government officials (possibly bribe depending on the country).

It has always been the business of governments to make the laws. When governments are tied to money like they are now, government becomes a business. It has been this way for at least hundreds of years.

[Masha Sha]

My ass you can always refuse a sell and force the customer to leave the promise. Private property.

[BADecker]

My ass you can always refuse a sell and force the customer to leave the promise. Private property.

That must be why Bitcoin isn't making any headway into use in society.   

[mOgliE]

My ass you can always refuse a sell and force the customer to leave the promise. Private property.

Maybe in Murica but in civilised countries you can't ; )

[Masha Sha]

My ass you can always refuse a sell and force the customer to leave the promise. Private property.

Maybe in Murica but in civilised countries you can't ; )

Like forcing a store to sell alcohol and what not when the owner want to run an halal shop... Very civilized. Bourbon at McDonald's?

[SyGambler]

I do respect the freedom that the person should wear whatever he wants
but when it comes to such thing then it's kinda tricky , simply the people in France don't like that so it should be banned
look to Saudi Arabia , all the women there should wear the full hijab because the population there don't even like to see a woman's hand !!
there are many foreign workers there that have wives and daughters and they are following the laws there

when you don't like the rules they you should simply look for another country

[BADecker]

There is a great enough variety of people in France that some like this and some like that. Some French people want to wear nothing, and some want to be completely hidden. Laws like this become laws simply because some people squawk loudly, and get government to change the laws.