France(ism): ban the burkinis

[Masha Sha]

Like in all conformists society or you renounce everything you believe in and adopt the state as the only ideology or you get harassed.

It's simple in France you eat pork, while drinking French made wine and cheese. If you think cannabis as some therapeutical and recreational virtues you are an enemy of the state ideology. If you don't want to burn on the sun, and wear a full swimwear suit you are an ennemy of the state ideology.

Enjoy (if you aren't attack by the mobs of the North Africans)! The country of human rights... LoL.

[xhomerx10]

 Given the two ideologies at stake here, I'll take France any day.
If you dont want to burn in the sun, stay the hell off the beach. 

[Masha Sha]

First they came for the plants, I said nothing I don't like plants...
Then they came for the burkinis, I said nothing I don't like burkinis...
Then they came to ban encryption, I said nothing I don't like encryption...
Then they came for me, there was no one else to stop them...

Edit: next the keepas (forget it, you have to be suicidal to wear one in France nowadays;))?

[xhomerx10]

First they came for the plants, I said nothing I don't like plants...
Then they came for the burkinis, I said nothing I don't like burkinis...
Then they came to ban encryption, I said nothing I don't like encryption...
Then they came for me, there was no one else to stop them...

  You're using the exercising of a law banning the ultimate tool of oppression as an argument against opression?
Anyway, you're too late tothe party if you live in France; they already have your guns.  How are you going to protect yourself from the state now that they also have your burka?

[Masha Sha]

If some one chose to wear what ever, why does the state has to tell them not? For you it's a tool of oppression... In haredims community in isreal it's of good taste for women not to reveal too much of their bodies... Who cares as long as it's free will and not forced upon. The same goes as to remove clothes...



Before coming to the shores of America if your grand ma went to the beach she wore something like that...

By the 1900 more like it:



State supported conformism in the drive to create the perfect citizen is always preached by a certain group of people.

And if you see what's going on near Calais... You will hallucinate... Those people there have lost all equity in their homes, and are mostly defenseless against the hordes wanting to cross to the uk...

Desarm them first. Always...

[criptix]

If some one chose to wear what ever, why does the state has to tell them not? For you it's a tool of oppression... In haredims community in isreal it's of good taste for women not to reveal too much of their bodies... Who cares as long as it's free will and not forced upon. The same goes as to remove clothes...



Before coming to the shores of America if your grand ma went to the beach she wore something like that...

By the 1900 more like it:



State supported conformism in the drive to create the perfect citizen is always preached by a certain group of people.

And if you see what's going on near Calais... You will hallucinate... Those people there have lost all equity in their homes, and are mostly defenseless against the hordes wanting to cross to the uk...

Desarm them first. Always...

Societies and humans change. One of the reasons we don't have state supported slavery anymore.
Or colonies where we mutilate the population for not working enough.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+logical+fallacy

[Spendulus]

If some one chose to wear what ever, why does the state has to tell them not? ....

For me, if there was a lot of creepy burkified weirdos at a beach, I'm not going there.

It's about that simple.

[Buffer Overflow]

Bit puzzling this one.

On one hand you've got woman making a statement that they hate freedom by wearing a very well known symbol of oppression.
And yet they moan when they lose their freedom to wear what they want. Isn't that what they wanted?

So what is it? Do they like freedom or hate freedom?

I think they are just doing it for attention really. Best thing we could do is just ignore them and their silly games.

[countryfree]

Hey, the French don't want to end up a muslim country like the UK:

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/police-scotland-introduces-uniform-hijab/

I remember going to the French riviera in the 80's and there were more women topless than they were my last time there. Women were proud to have the right to show their breasts, and everything was fine. Now, some women seem proud to hide themselves. Sorry ma'am, but there's no pride in hiding. There never was.

[Masha Sha]

Interesting remarks: if a woman is sick (cancer what ever) and can't expose herself to the sun will she be fined too?

Another point made is that it's more important for the state to be there if a woman want to remove her Burkinis and is forced by others no to do so.

Then if they want to go to the beach I don't see how denying them access is fair or just... Most pictures are mothers (crazy breeders) going to play in the water with their young children... At least they don't learn to make bombs

And finally and to look a little broader it's the same with the so called facial masks... If they want to hide their faces they were oversized sun glasses...

So all in all bad law (and it hurts tourism, and what the fuck she wanna wear what ever she chose, knows that the state will be there to enforce her choice do to so safely... Why should I care? And police resources wasted on it? There are real bad guys out there...

And at last the most important point is that this practice is reversible. Not like fgm...

Next make Santa illegal?



Hehehe... The pursue

Hey, the French don't want to end up a muslim country like the UK:

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/police-scotland-introduces-uniform-hijab/

I remember going to the French riviera in the 80's and there were more women topless than they were my last time there. Women were proud to have the right to show their breasts, and everything was fine. Now, some women seem proud to hide themselves. Sorry ma'am, but there's no pride in hiding. There never was.

IP masking? Having a sun burn on the nipples... Ouch. U.K. Look= Hijab + skinny jeans .

[xhomerx10]

Why do you make us rehash the same arguments? 
Person with cancer who shouldn't be exposed to the sun?  Stay the hell off the beach.  Take a nice stroll in the forest - this is more therapeutic.

[designerusa]

i think France is the most racist country of all europe.  France is always boasting of its perfect imposition of human right in the country but the reality isnt like that. if you are white christian french ,you can be treated as a human . if you are not a good (!) french, french officials can easily insult you without thinking you are a human. that is the perfect definition of frech democracy.

[DooMAD]

Seems the ban has been overturned for now by French courts.  While I'm certainly no fan of organised religion, I don't agree with trying to ban one arbitrary type of clothing in one arbitrary environment.  Even taking basic consistency from the equation, it's blatantly discriminatory.  If Catholic Nuns can wear habits with no repercussions, why can't Muslim women wear hijabs or burkinis?  And don't just say "coz terrisms" because that's stupid.

[Racey]

You cannot walk into a bank wearing this, the cops will be called



Or this




Its all about fear, and who is behind the mask.

Read this, points out a few good arguments  Burqa On Trial

[StingrayX]

I am wondering how will the next generations will discuss ?
If nowadays all this hate, manipulation, discrimination, oppression. .. are dealed between citizens and neighbors, so how their children (the most fragil and sensible emotionally) who listen and assist to this society cutting... how will they speak without arms ?
Yes, I really see a coming civil wars between next generation

[Gimpeline]

If some one chose to wear what ever, why does the state has to tell them not? ....

For me, if there was a lot of creepy burkified weirdos at a beach, I'm not going there.

It's about that simple.

Your loss. Its just an outfit.
I don't like youth that have their pants so half of their ass show, but that doesn't mean I will outlaw it.

[Spendulus]

You cannot walk into a bank wearing this, the cops will be called



Or this




Its all about fear, and who is behind the mask.

Read this, points out a few good arguments  Burqa On Trial

Those are good articles.  One thing, though.  It's not "fear."   There are a lot of good reasons we want to know, and deserve to know, who is behind the mask.

Would you take a check or a credit card transaction of substantial value from someone wearing a burka who gave you an ID card of someone wearing a burka?

[Racey]

^
No not at all, ID Means nothing, if I cannot see the face, the same face that should be on the ID card, why are they hiding away.

[xht]

The people are more concerned with whether or not these women can wear a burkini then they are with the fact that these women are culturally and religiously oppressed but i think it's good ban burkini so women can naked when they are swim. just kidding

[mOgliE]

As a French I have only one thing to say:

Stop putting laws for that shit, let them wear whatever the fuck they want. Stop oppressing people without any reason! I don't give a shit about your reasons, burkinis don't harm anyone...

And for god sake we have much more important problems than that ><

It's like, your house is burning and someone is coming and saying "erg, the red isn't a good color for your roof"...