France(ism): ban the burkinis

[Masha Sha]

There is a great enough variety of people in France that some like this and some like that. Some French people want to wear nothing, and some want to be completely hidden. Laws like this become laws simply because some people squawk loudly, and get government to change the laws.

And it's a perfect distraction from recent terror attacks and channel coast mayhem...

[Spendulus]

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Here are some diving/scuba wetsuits, the kind of thing people might wear at a place where you can go diving, like, I dunno... the beach maybe?



And by comparison, some burkinis:



The same amount of face is visible.  Or if anything, the wetsuits show a tiny bit less.  If one should be banned, so should the other, or you're a complete hypocrite. 

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

[zenitzz]

Muslims do not want to integrate, they want France to change their standards to those of muslims and the fact that women want to wear burkinis is demonstrative that they will never, ever integrate.

[bryant.coleman]

Muslims do not want to integrate, they want France to change their standards to those of muslims and the fact that women want to wear burkinis is demonstrative that they will never, ever integrate.

They don't feel the need to integrate. France is currently being ruled by the Socialist Party, and these people will stoop down to the Muslims for their votes. Also, in democracy, demography is very important. The Muslims represent a very strong coherent voting bloc, numbering somewhere between 7 million and 8 million. Soon, it will be very difficult to win the elections in France without the Muslim vote.

[Masha Sha]

Muslims do not want to integrate, they want France to change their standards to those of muslims and the fact that women want to wear burkinis is demonstrative that they will never, ever integrate.

They don't feel the need to integrate. France is currently being ruled by the Socialist Party, and these people will stoop down to the Muslims for their votes. Also, in democracy, demography is very important. The Muslims represent a very strong coherent voting bloc, numbering somewhere between 7 million and 8 million. Soon, it will be very difficult to win the elections in France without the Muslim vote.

Demographic suicide to win elections is beyond stupid. But when you think about the money you can make by being a corrupt politicians... And then leave the shit behind and go an island in the middle of the ocean... What is sad is that some voters can't grasp it. They are deluded in the discourses and unable to see the deeds.

[mindrust]

Burkinis is not belong to this world, let alone the beaches. We live in the 21th century ffs, time to learn dressing up like a human being, not like a suicide terrorist. Wrapping up yourself with thick, black clothes under the bright sun is not good for human health in the first place. Europe failed to educate them. Shame.

[Masha Sha]

Burkinis is not belong to this world, let alone the beaches. We live in the 21th century ffs, time to learn dressing up like a human being, not like a suicide terrorist. Wrapping up yourself with thick, black clothes under the bright sun is not good for human health in the first place. Europe failed to educate them. Shame.

The most uneducated is always certain...



Unless he deliberately tries to hurt...

[DooMAD]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

[bryant.coleman]

Burkinis is not belong to this world, let alone the beaches. We live in the 21th century ffs, time to learn dressing up like a human being, not like a suicide terrorist. Wrapping up yourself with thick, black clothes under the bright sun is not good for human health in the first place. Europe failed to educate them. Shame.

I don't care about their health, as long as they stay the fu*k out of my sight in the beaches. Having a few women clad in burkinis make a sore sight for the thousands of others, who want to enjoy some spare time on the beaches. If they want to wear burkinis so much, then why can't they book some private coastal resort and stay there?

[mOgliE]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

The more I read you the more I like you!
Crazy to see those "btc is freedom" people asking for laws that forbid people to wear certain clothes...

[Masha Sha]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

The more I read you the more I like you!
Crazy to see those "btc is freedom" people asking for laws that forbid people to wear certain clothes...

Authoritarian propaganda agents... And total control freaks who can't control their lives the way they want and as such report their weakness and frustration on others

[countryfree]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

The more I read you the more I like you!
Crazy to see those "btc is freedom" people asking for laws that forbid people to wear certain clothes...

Correct, except that it's the muslims who want to ban women from wearing certain clothes. Muslims don't want women to wear bikinis, and that burkini thing is only the beginning. Soon, they will also ban women from wearing skirts, and that's already happening in several countries, just like in some neighborhoods of France.

If someone wants to know what freedom looks like, a travel to a muslim country provides a quick lesson.

[popcorn1]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

When i go to the beach i want to relax?..
Now when a Muslim walks on the beach with a burkini on i think as she got a bomb under that outfit
then i think will some more Muslims pop up and blow us up..
THEN YOU JUST SPOILED MY DAY OUT  ..I CANNOT RELAX..
And why should i be made to feel like that in my own country who my family and many of them have fought and died for over history..

Now in Muslim countries we are not allowed to do many western things and we follow your laws.
Because if you don't well we all know what punishments Muslims dish out to each other..
You come here and think you fucking own us and it's your land..
TAKE YOUR SHITTY RELIGION BACK TO THE DESERT..

IF I HAD MY WAY A TOTAL BAN ON ISLAM IN MY COUNTRY..
Then they wont want to come here ..But if your not into ISLAM then your welcome with open arms..
Well done France for banning the burkini..Next step ban mosques  ..Seems your the only country brave enough to do it..
Don't worry if we don't see what we brexit people voted for UKIP will win the next election
and then the shit will hit the fan then..
It will get that bad if you got a gozzy eye you wont get in Britain A joke by the way ..

Up to now very happy with Mrs may if she keeps up the good work no one will beat her in the next election  ..Lets us down NIGEL WILL BE BACK ..
He as no choice if we call for him it's is duty to the people..

Obey western law and if you don't like it take your desert law back to your desert where it belongs.
WE WESTERNERS HATE ISLAM..Lets not beat about the bush here..
We hate ISLAM so unless you obey our laws we will always be at conflict unless you bring many many more muslims to over run us then we have no choice..
Then who ever done this to there own country should be strung up by there necks for treason..

[Spendulus]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

And so I refuted one argument, and an entirely unrelated one is presented.

It's so laughable....one argues for requiring bikinis, and he's now an "authoritarian traditionalist."

Let them find their own secluded fucking burkini beach.

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

When i go to the beach i want to relax?..
Now when a Muslim walks on the beach with a burkini on i think as she got a bomb under that outfit
then i think will some more Muslims pop up and blow us up..
THEN YOU JUST SPOILED MY DAY OUT  ..I CANNOT RELAX....

I think that's a totally reasonable point of view.

Given the simple fact that they DO HIDE THINGS under their clothes.  Things that go boom.

[Gronthaing]

Stupid and sexist law. Though not very surprising coming from one of the most racist countries in europe. Looks like some people in france want to have their own moral police. Worst still they were trying to go after those sharing photos of police harassing people in the beach. Didn't like the bad rep they were getting. No law against it to back it up though.

Burkinis is not belong to this world, let alone the beaches. We live in the 21th century ffs, time to learn dressing up like a human being, not like a suicide terrorist. Wrapping up yourself with thick, black clothes under the bright sun is not good for human health in the first place. Europe failed to educate them. Shame.

I don't care about their health, as long as they stay the fu*k out of my sight in the beaches. Having a few women clad in burkinis make a sore sight for the thousands of others, who want to enjoy some spare time on the beaches. If they want to wear burkinis so much, then why can't they book some private coastal resort and stay there?

Do you want to ban fat people from the beach too? And old people? Ugly girls too? Might be on to something there.

[DooMAD]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

And so I refuted one argument, and an entirely unrelated one is presented.

It's so laughable....one argues for requiring bikinis, and he's now an "authoritarian traditionalist."

Let them find their own secluded fucking burkini beach.

I was replying to an argument about covered faces and you came in with a completely unrelated and irrelevant argument about cold temperatures.  People do wear wetsuits in summer and are perfectly and legally entitled to do so.  Therefore, the same entitlement should apply to burkinis.  If you're not also arguing that wetsuits covering the head should be banned in summer as well, you're still a hypocrite.

When i go to the beach i want to relax?..
Now when a Muslim walks on the beach with a burkini on i think as she got a bomb under that outfit
then i think will some more Muslims pop up and blow us up..
THEN YOU JUST SPOILED MY DAY OUT  ..I CANNOT RELAX..

If your sensibilities are really that delicate, I can't help but wonder how you even function on a day to day basis.  What you're basically saying is that terrorism has won and you spend all day jumping at shadows as a result.  Grow a pair.

When i go to the beach i want to relax?..
Now when a Muslim walks on the beach with a burkini on i think as she got a bomb under that outfit
then i think will some more Muslims pop up and blow us up..
THEN YOU JUST SPOILED MY DAY OUT  ..I CANNOT RELAX....

I think that's a totally reasonable point of view.

You too, grow a pair.  And stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

Now in Muslim countries we are not allowed to do many western things and we follow your laws.
Because if you don't well we all know what punishments Muslims dish out to each other..

So we should totally fight fire with fire and become just as totalitarian as those countries.   Yeah, that makes sense.  
That's the mentality you're supporting.  You're just becoming the opposite side of the same extremist coin.  You'll eventually turn into everything you claim to hate.  They are hard right authoritarians and you're a hard right authoritarian.  Peas in a pod.  I'm struggling to see the difference already.

[xhomerx10]

In all fairness, the only method used in recent history against hard-right authoritarians were extremely harsh sanctions (which were responsible for the death of millions of innocent children in Iraq) and all out war.  So has the west become hard-right authoritarians or have they just "grown a pair"?  I liken the burkini ban reaction to a sanction; the first step toward a resolution to this terrorist problem.  This isn't simply going to disappear, what do you mean by growing a pair?  It doesn't seem to be a viable solution.

[DooMAD]

I liken the burkini ban reaction to a sanction; the first step toward a resolution to this terrorist problem.  This isn't simply going to disappear, what do you mean by growing a pair?  It doesn't seem to be a viable solution.

You're right that this isn't going to disappear, but it sounds like some people in this thread wish that non-whites would magically vanish because they feel threatened by the mere presence of them.  "Grow a pair" means, if you're living in fear of anyone with a different ethnicity or religion, you're a weak and spineless creature and you need to grow some balls and get used to it.  We're all human beings, but at the same time, we're all individuals and are perfectly entitled to be.  If you can't cope with people who are different to you, then the problem lies with you.  Stop trying to change other people to fit your ideals. 

[Masha Sha]

You're right that this isn't going to disappear, but it sounds like some people in this thread wish that non-whites would magically vanish because they feel threatened by the mere presence of them. 

It's more than a wish... The theory goes that most opponents to the one world gov ruled by western olgicarchs have been white. The official narrative is that white are responsible for slavery and nazism.

[mOgliE]

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

The more I read you the more I like you!
Crazy to see those "btc is freedom" people asking for laws that forbid people to wear certain clothes...

Correct, except that it's the muslims who want to ban women from wearing certain clothes. Muslims don't want women to wear bikinis, and that burkini thing is only the beginning. Soon, they will also ban women from wearing skirts, and that's already happening in several countries, just like in some neighborhoods of France.

If someone wants to know what freedom looks like, a travel to a muslim country provides a quick lesson.

No there is no place in france where you get hurt for not wearing a burka. That's just shit propaganda it doesn't happen.

And banning burkini isn't better than making them compulsory! In both cases you don't allow people a basic freedom which is to wear what they god damn want!