Account farming. Allowed?

[rizzlarolla]

A slightly different list again here. Alphabet list turns random list.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666857  Paritor (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666865  Qartada (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666870  Rudsild (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666874  Siatald (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666894  Visdome (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666897  Waticta (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666902  Xiadas (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666918  Yatsida (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666933  Zistmine (21)

Then, after 3 moe inactive/padding members joined, Northpixel from bbc. spammer list and a few others.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666937  NorthPixel (72)***
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666959  NanoPipe (21)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666967  LandOwner (21)

So the farmer dropped this alphabet list at "Z" and carried on randomly. So he can be a bit random?
Maybe these are unrelated? Back to basics. Lets check the farmers post schedule here, see if the two "bits" tally.

Waticta         Nov 26    Dec 6,17,29    Jan 10,23     Feb 5,18     Mar 2,26      Apr 8,17          May 1,14,28
Xiadas           Nov 26    Dec 7,18,30    Jan 11,25    Feb 6,19     Mar 1,17      Apr 8,16,30      May 13,27
Yatsida          Nov 26    Dec 8,31         Jan 25         Feb 6,19     Mar 1,17      Apr 8,16,30     May 13,27
Zistmine        Nov 26    Dec 5,16,27    Jan 9,22       Feb 4,17     Mar 2,26     Apr 8,17,         May 1,14,28
NorthPixel      Nov 26    Dec 6,17,29    Jan 10,23     Feb 5,18     Mar 10,27   Apr 4,24,30      May 11,26
NanoPipe       Nov 26    Dec 7,18,30    Jan 9,22       Feb 4,17     Mar 2,26     Apr 8,17           May 1,14,28
LandOwner    Nov 26    Dec 8,19,31    Jan 10,23      Feb 5,18     Mar 1,17    Apr 8,16,30       May 13,27

Conclusive. (i've seen this elsewhere also)
Time scale 1 hour 5 minutes. 290 spam posts.

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[rizzlarolla]

If theymos doesn't respond  it shouldnt be too hard to figure out a way to generate list with user # + username.
I mean for someone else though.  I have no clue how to do that.

DannyHamilton maybe?  

I have a problem with Danny Hamilton's list, because I'm on it (lol).  I think it's too inclusive because it doesn't discriminate other than to exclude people with signatures, and not all people with sigs are spammers.

Now now, your not reading correctly!
I was suggesting Danny was the ideal man to make a NEW Farmer list! (that you would not be on, i presume)
Look at that thread which we replied in "Re: Is it allowed to sell Bitcointalk account?"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582500.msg16089913#msg16089913
At least 8 farmed accounts all pretending to be different people. And swaying argument with their numbers!
(got a few more names there which i will look into! no not you or gentlemand!)

If you have trouble filtering decent posts, DannyHamilton made a list that blocks sig spammers.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973843.0
Basically anyone with that is in or has been in a signature campaign is there (mine included).
You can create your own list too I suppose.

Dannys list is great, (i don't use any blocker) but it is a sticking plaster against farmed accounts.
And the difference between farmed and unfarmed spam is also relevant and differentiating

A new list that does not care about sig campaigners, it only cares about farmed accounts. (they may or may not have a sig)

I hope SMAS will start looking at this. (he says doubtfully)
These accounts are stealing real peoples opportunities of enrolling in sig campaigns, and destroying real discussion in the process.
Maybe the campaign managers like it like this for some reason?  (stop it rizz...)

I find it hard to believe Theymos and the mods and the sig managers would let the farmer waltz in and take all the bitcoin unchallenged!

This farmer is nicking a lot of the sig money, meaning real people can't earn sig money?
The farmer also sells and scams. He is being allowed to feed here. With Theymos's blessing.
I hope you understand my view better now.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If theymos doesn't respond  it shouldnt be too hard to figure out a way to generate list with user # + username.
I mean for someone else though.  I have no clue how to do that.

DannyHamilton maybe?  

I have a problem with Danny Hamilton's list, because I'm on it (lol).  I think it's too inclusive because it doesn't discriminate other than to exclude people with signatures, and not all people with sigs are spammers.

Now now, your not reading correctly!
I was suggesting Danny was the ideal man to make a NEW Farmer list! (that you would not be on, i presume)
Look at that thread which we replied in "Re: Is it allowed to sell Bitcointalk account?"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582500.msg16089913#msg16089913
At least 8 farmed accounts all pretending to be different people. And swaying argument with their numbers!
(got a few more names there which i will look into! no not you or gentlemand!)

If you have trouble filtering decent posts, DannyHamilton made a list that blocks sig spammers.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973843.0
Basically anyone with that is in or has been in a signature campaign is there (mine included).
You can create your own list too I suppose.

Dannys list is great, (i don't use any blocker) but it is a sticking plaster against farmed accounts.
And the difference between farmed and unfarmed spam is also relevant and differentiating

A new list that does not care about sig campaigners, it only cares about farmed accounts. (they may or may not have a sig)

I hope SMAS will start looking at this. (he says doubtfully)
These accounts are stealing real peoples opportunities of enrolling in sig campaigns, and destroying real discussion in the process.
Maybe the campaign managers like it like this for some reason?  (stop it rizz...)

I find it hard to believe Theymos and the mods and the sig managers would let the farmer waltz in and take all the bitcoin unchallenged!

This farmer is nicking a lot of the sig money, meaning real people can't earn sig money?
The farmer also sells and scams. He is being allowed to feed here. With Theymos's blessing.
I hope you understand my view better now.

You're right,  I was reading too fast.  Comprehension was not keeping up.

Going to start tagging farmed accounts if it's ridiculously obvious that's what's going on.   This shit drives me ape nuts.

[Mastsetad]

Are you guys talking about spamming or just account trading?
Because i found my account in there and my account is surely a bought one but i'm not a spammer, so i'm a little confused. 

[KenR]

Are you guys talking about spamming or just account trading?
Because i found my account in there and my account is surely a bought one but i'm not a spammer, so i'm a little confused. 

Maybe not.You don't have to be a spammer to be listed up there.The list is about the account farmer who most probabaly sold you the account.Could you be nice enough to tell us whom did you purchase the account from?

[TwitchySeal]

Are you guys talking about spamming or just account trading?
Because i found my account in there and my account is surely a bought one but i'm not a spammer, so i'm a little confused.  

I would like to join this campaign.

Name: Jambolb2
Post count: 171
Rank: Full member
Bitcoin address: 3JyCS37NHSBKgwkf3Uj8RiiphSWRWRdJWJ
Profile UID: 639398

Investing on bitcoin doublers is not less than gambling, you may win profit or you may lose your money, but some of the doublers have such a design and look that attracts users to invest in them, and i think DoubleMB.com is one of them.

Btc address: 3JyCS37NHSBKgwkf3Uj8RiiphSWRWRdJWJ

Jimbola3

#spamcity

[KenR]

---fly----

That does call for a negative ,no ? Let's bring this to attention of DT members and have the accounts tagged accordingly.

[TwitchySeal]

                               Posts Activity      Registered                         Last Seen
u=492171   JoeBriggs   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:13:03 PM   July 07, 2015, 02:00:05 AM
u=492172   HobbitMud   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:13:56 PM   July 07, 2015, 02:30:05 AM
u=492173   bombding   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:15:30 PM   July 07, 2015, 03:00:26 AM

u=492177   givedusty   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:20:29 PM   July 07, 2015, 03:30:05 AM
u=492178   jimpix   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:21:26 PM   July 07, 2015, 04:00:05 AM

u=492180   NeliFur   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:22:39 PM   July 07, 2015, 04:30:06 AM

[Shiroslullaby]

Wouldn't the easiest way to weed out spammers be correlation of a single IP address to multiple accounts?
Is it a possibility that someone would go through the trouble of using a proxy/ tor etc for each account so none of them posted from the same address?

The only way to end spam would be to dis-allow signature campaigns.
I know that when I first joined a campaign I got a little excited and made some extra posts.
For someone that really needs the money, they definitely have an incentive to hit the max posts every day.
And for someone who has the skills to program a network of bot accounts and automate their posting, it might be worth the time if some of the figures posted in this thread are accurate.

[rizzlarolla]

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That does call for a negative ,no ? Let's bring this to attention of DT members and have the accounts tagged accordingly.

Thanks for your interest.

But do you really think that DT members haven't noticed?
My posting started a while ago now and has been top thread a few days.

A bigger action is needed.
Theymos already knows about all this. The mods already know about all this. They knew before I posted.
Even now they still choose to ignore me this.

I find it very strange. Theymos and his mods allow the likes of Mastsetad and his hundreds of accounts to rank up, sell, and/or spam for sig, making many bitcoins, while ruining any chance of forum discussion. All the while saying they don't tollerate spam.
I found all this info easily enough, by accident, without tools.
(my list may only be a fraction of what is to come. Theymos already knows if it is or is not, but i do not, yet. my guess, it does continue)

Something don't add up here. No one wants to know.

I would NEVER want to interact with a mass farmed account on a social level. Who would?
The correlation between my lists almost certainly show the same 1 farmer is responsible for producing thousands of meaningless posts.

[malmoghetto]

Wouldn't the easiest way to weed out spammers be correlation of a single IP address to multiple accounts?
Is it a possibility that someone would go through the trouble of using a proxy/ tor etc for each account so none of them posted from the same address?

The only way to end spam would be to dis-allow signature campaigns.
I know that when I first joined a campaign I got a little excited and made some extra posts.
For someone that really needs the money, they definitely have an incentive to hit the max posts every day.
And for someone who has the skills to program a network of bot accounts and automate their posting, it might be worth the time if some of the figures posted in this thread are accurate.

Disallow signature campaign is impossible, your signature campaign-yobit cocntributes a lot of posts=traffic to the forum. BTC forum is a business forum, ppl like making money here, if campaigns are banned here, the traffic to bct forum will significantly reduce. So banning is impossible. And you can see those guys who creates bunch of accounts, are aim to sell, most of them don't join the campaign if you check the  above accounts.

Their target is selling as many as possible to make profit, from OP's proofs. BTW, there are so many ico scammer who use old accounts, one explanation is the ico scammers creates accounts, or they purchased them from account sellers.

[LeGaulois]

Personnaly I read Bitcointalk since long time (more than my registration date) and i rarely visit the english sections of this forum. (it's my first post in an english section BTW)
Too much useless posts. In a topic of 8 pages you may find 5-6 usefull posts, all the others are garbage.  Using sig campaign, farming accounts, joining only to attack competition business, ect. It comes to a point where it is difficult to read/follow/to be motivated with a discussion topic
I stick with my native language board. Many usefull guys and topics but sorry there are also in others places

[rizzlarolla]

Wouldn't the easiest way to weed out spammers be correlation of a single IP address to multiple accounts?
Is it a possibility that someone would go through the trouble of using a proxy/ tor etc for each account so none of them posted from the same address?

The only way to end spam would be to dis-allow signature campaigns.
I know that when I first joined a campaign I got a little excited and made some extra posts.
For someone that really needs the money, they definitely have an incentive to hit the max posts every day.
And for someone who has the skills to program a network of bot accounts and automate their posting, it might be worth the time if some of the figures posted in this thread are accurate.

Disallow signature campaign is impossible, your signature campaign-yobit cocntributes a lot of posts=traffic to the forum. BTC forum is a business forum, ppl like making money here, if campaigns are banned here, the traffic to bct forum will significantly reduce. So banning is impossible. And you can see those guys who creates bunch of accounts, are aim to sell, most of them don't join the campaign if you check the  above accounts.

Their target is selling as many as possible to make profit, from OP's proofs. BTW, there are so many ico scammer who use old accounts, one explanation is the ico scammers creates accounts, or they purchased them from account sellers.

There is no "their" in this case. you are personalising each account. It is only one farmer.

The farmer appears to favour either sell or sig.
He probably sells as many as he can, continuously, and joins any campaign he can with others.
When those sig campaign accounts have done their work, ranking up further, they are more valuable to sell.

If an account is not sold or enrolled, it is mothballed by posting only once a fortnight, until it is enrolled or sold.

[rizzlarolla]

                              Posts Activity      Registered                         Last Seen
u=492171   JoeBriggs   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:13:03 PM   July 07, 2015, 02:00:05 AM
u=492172   HobbitMud   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:13:56 PM   July 07, 2015, 02:30:05 AM
u=492173   bombding   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:15:30 PM   July 07, 2015, 03:00:26 AM

u=492177   givedusty   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:20:29 PM   July 07, 2015, 03:30:05 AM
u=492178   jimpix   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:21:26 PM   July 07, 2015, 04:00:05 AM

u=492180   NeliFur   110   110   March 24, 2015, 06:22:39 PM   July 07, 2015, 04:30:06 AM

So easy to find, even without proper tools, eh Twitchy.

The earliest find yet. I'll take a look later. (although, seeing above is proof enough of farming. does he set an alarm? 30 minutes each account)
Only question, is it the same farmer. The pattern will probably reveal all as it falls into place.
6 names is quite a normal early list I think. The farmer does appear to have started this thing slowly before really getting organised.

Twitchy, after finding a list, do you think it is reasonable to conclude Theymos already knew this was happening. Could he have not noticed this?
And it is probably still happening as your addys above even links a member somewhere in the u=720000? range. (and back to u=400000 range)

New ground to cover.
It would be a lot easier if Theymos just told us.

Edit. still not looked, but i now see 2015? are they dormant? or maybe they were banned?
we cannot know that, unless theymos tells us.

Edit 2. sorry twitchy, does not make the "farmed" list.
this guy only ever wrote 3 words per post in games and rounds, on all 6 accounts.  He had an addiction, he got better.
(or he got banned for spamming - we will never know)

[rizzlarolla]

In 6 days and with 180 or so accounts placed on my farmer list, only 1 "listed" farmed account has responded.

He was instantly shown as a multi account holder in a different way. Addy's.
Addys that connect a proven farmed account, maybe sold maybe not, to other accounts of different periods.
My lists cover a very limited period.

The only other member here to say my lists are open to interpretation was Omegasun.
I told him I was looking at his account. I'll explain why
This is not yet an accusation, just an explanation why I am looking.

Omegasun is u=639376. The bbc.spammer list includes u=639372, 4 places away.
Jimbolb 2, connected to Mastsetad by addy is 22 members later. u=639398. (44 minutes later)
220 members later u=639604 is also on bbc. spammer list. (that was 5 hours later)

There is "grouping" of STILL activie members enrolling around the same time. Including a few very familiar sounding names from later listed farmed accounts.
Such as Kollor, piloder and freedomgo.
There is a glut of red trust, 4 accounts in 100.
Jambolb2 is followed by Jimbola3.
Most all suspect accounts post once on Nov 8, then once 14 days later on Nov 22, as their first 2 posts.
NextBillG is there. (sign of ambition? Maybe not involved?)

Also in this group is Xeelee. German? different posting, not involved. Also Crypto ninja. A real person. (cant remember if they posted in months)

If Twitchy could publish a spreadsheet of this time period that highlights all still active users, ie visited in the last month or two, you would see how it stands out. This burst of activity is surrounded by thousands of inactive accounts and the occasional real and still active user.
The same pattern I have seen when compiling my lists.

If Twitch can do that, that would be great. Then we can discuss.
(and a similar highlighted s/s that shows 1 of my already listed periods to compare?)

[Joel_Jantsen]

Just adding something to the list for the record.The person probably has more accounts in control than we could ever imagine.Here is one of the quotes from his threads where he offers his account piloting service.My first step of action,approaching all the campaign managers which the accounts are a part of and having them perma banned from the campaign.Yahoo already tagged and removed the two accounts~

 So i was thinking to build a pilot service i will not be the one who will pilot your account. You will be done to choose of to whom are you going to     trust your account. On the other hand i will be doing the escrow service for the benefit also of your pilot at the same time i will be the one who will monitor it and sends you updates to your email so that you can take actions directly.

How much will i be paying to my pilot? It is up to both of you but i suggest to do 50-50  or a 60-40

note: for everyone, Pilot service on account is my service especially with my Co worker in company.. we have 50/50 profit. so it's up to you now. you can check it in my IP. if we are same IP until now. Goodluck master Joel

[rizzlarolla]

December 20, 2015, 06:57:32 PM - December 20, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
2.5 hours, 13 farmed accounts 1000 spam posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698307  Cantoner (71)       
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698327  Dotnetin (14)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698333  Esenhowell (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698340  Facultid (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698351  Gotimour (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698356  Hallmader (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698362  Jackling (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698370  Kwiksave (60)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698379  Luterwish (17)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698381  Monumental (24)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698387  Natlind (71)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698392  Oralmat (641)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698398  patricken (23)

No bbc.spammer list account.

[TwitchySeal]

November 8th info coming in a bit.

[morantis]

as far as i see it, if the accounts and the people are posting relevant info then it is not an issue.  if a person is using multiple accounts or pushing one account at a time to a level and then selling, but doing so by posting relevant, good replies and OP's, then there is nothing that can or should be done.....therefore, the attack should be less targeted toward linking two accounts to one IP or one person or figuring out if a person is using multiple accounts and should strictly put the effort into combating outright spam....

at the same time, i think that any accusation of spamming should be looking at the entire body of work of an individual and not ever a single post.  i, myself have been in a page by page, reply to reply conversation with another member on here and some of those replies may have been short and brought nothing to the overall thread as a whole, but was relevant to the previous reply and in the context of the overall thread as a continued conversation.  I am sure that everyone here has at least one reply or post of "lol" or something like that and as a single post that looks bad, but looking at the overall lifespan of the member can be seen as something that rarely happens

[lsqgoddess]

December 20, 2015, 06:57:32 PM - December 20, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
2.5 hours, 13 farmed accounts 1000 spam posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698307  Cantoner (71)      
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698327  Dotnetin (14)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698333  Esenhowell (20)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698340  Facultid (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698351  Gotimour (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698356  Hallmader (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698362  Jackling (19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698370  Kwiksave (60)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698379  Luterwish (17)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698381  Monumental (24)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698387  Natlind (71)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698392  Oralmat (641)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698398  patricken (23)

No bbc.spammer list account.

You are very genius, CDEF.... account. I just wonder have you worked in FBI or CIA?

BTW, what do you mean bbc.spammer list?