Account farming. Allowed?

[rizzlarolla]

I've had Fatanut PM me overnight...

At a guess all five are bought accounts which means we're not actually dealing with the true owner of these accounts...

I've had Viyamore pm me overnight with his proofs.

He has shown via pm screenshot his "main" account purchasing "Viyamore" from "Republic of Coin"
"Viyamore" purchased on April 9 2016, as i though. Look at the grammar change on that date.
That i believe. His main account (and his "Viyamore" pm's) have exactly the same grammar and English ability.

"Viyamore" explained to me that he is saying he bought and sold the other 4 accounts he listed, "5 or 6 months ago"
He can not prove that as he has deleted those pm's.

I've also had another pm overnight from another farmed account trying to say it is not a farmed account.
The 2nd pm from this account starts "I will be honest with you." Now saying he bought the account.

Soon all the farmed accounts will claim pity, that they "only" bought the account.
I only care if i list an account that was not farmed.
His account was.
I don't intend to watch 500+ farmed accounts forevermore, trying to find every time they are sold or resold.

Farmed accounts, 3 goals imo. sig spam, sell or scam.
To be fair handed, all need negative feedback imo.  Maybe "Don't buy or trust this farmed account, this feedback is permanent"

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[rizzlarolla]

I'm liking my 500+ list.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0

It is starting to show patterns very nicely.
Look at the alphabet list on Nov 27. (the 2nd list that day)

See how the alphabet is continued from one regestration session to the next. One day to the next.
7 straight days that continues, getting through 3 and half alphabets.
What was he thinking!

Make me think i have missed other alphabet lists?
Nov 25/26 is missing A-O. Nov 27 (the 1st list that day) missing J-Z
If they are there, i will find them. They cannot hide forever.

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march 22 2016.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=808819  checkmatesir   mar 22,   apr 18, 27,   may 10, 11,  jun 1,  10,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=808820  hajimasan       mar 22,   apr 18, 27,   may 10, 11,  jun 10, 27,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=808821  murtleannie     mar 22,   apr 18, 27,   may 10, 11,  jun 10, 27,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=808823  caxandra         mar 22,   apr 18, 27,   may 10, 11,  jun 10, 27,

for comparison,

March 25 2016. 11.30am
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=810879  dimonstration (61)    mar 25,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=810884  umhhppp (55)           mar 25,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=810887  combayn (9)             mar 25,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  

Mach 28 2016  6.10am
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=812957  coynedterm (321)      mar 28,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=812958  yonique (9)               mar 28,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=812963  splitups (9)               mar 28,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=812964  dharkmadder (122)    mar 28,  apr 18, 27,  may10, 12,  jun 10,  jul 4,  

Created on 3 days apart for cover, first posts identical. Cover blown.

added - very first post of dimonstration (posted before the other accounts above were created)
"I spend roughly 3 to 4 hours to just accommodate the 20 per day quota on Yobit.net and updating the posts of my other accounts"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=724290.msg14310980#msg14310980

[Timelord2067]

I've had Viyamore pm me overnight with his proofs.

He has shown via pm screenshot his "main" account purchasing "Viyamore" from "Republic of Coin"
"Viyamore" purchased on April 9 2016, as i though. Look at the grammar change on that date.
That i believe. His main account (and his "Viyamore" pm's) have exactly the same grammar and English ability.

Did @Viyamore happen type type the name of his "main" account to you? - what I mean is did he actually type that name, not just provide a screen shot of his discussion with "Republic Of Coin"?

[rizzlarolla]

I've had Viyamore pm me overnight with his proofs.

He has shown via pm screenshot his "main" account purchasing "Viyamore" from "Republic of Coin"
"Viyamore" purchased on April 9 2016, as i though. Look at the grammar change on that date.
That i believe. His main account (and his "Viyamore" pm's) have exactly the same grammar and English ability.

Did @Viyamore happen type type the name of his "main" account to you? - what I mean is did he actually type that name, not just provide a screen shot of his discussion with "Republic Of Coin"?

No type, only screenshot.
?

[rizzlarolla]

from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1657397.new#new

I cannot argue with your decision because you have all the freedom to make it happen what you want. But saying that I am a farm account is too much and something that you need to prove.

i have proven you are farmed account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1597201.0

Come and put your case, if you think you can prove different.

Dude I respect you as you have a higher rank than me,but what you did does not prove that I am an alt account? Do you know what coincidence is?

I would not discuss any further in the thread cause I know I have no shot of proving I am innocent of what you are trying to throw on me.

ok, then if Lauda will allow, i will show here why you "have no shot of proving I am innocent"

you are a "alphabet" account. that means you were created along with other accounts in order A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,........so on.
i posted yesterday,

I'm liking my 500+ list.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0

It is starting to show patterns very nicely.
Look at the alphabet list on Nov 27. (the 2nd list that day)

See how the alphabet is continued from one regestration session to the next. One day to the next.
7 straight days that continues, getting through 3 and half alphabets.
What was he thinking!

your account was created on that 7th straight day. 75 accounts were created over those 7 days. other alphabet lists on different days are also clearly connected.
every single account has a capital first letter. no numbers.

here are post history rota for Hatuferu and surrounding accounts,

Nov 30.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=671028  Xenophoto (1600)    nov 30,   dec  9, 20,   jan  1, 12, 26,   feb 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=671040  YellowMoon (14)      nov 30,   dec 10, 21,   jan 2, 14, 27,   feb 8
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=671046  Zooplus (2528)        nov 30,   dec 11, 22,   jan     15, 28,   feb 9

Dec 1. 10.00am.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=672152  AlphaSun (188) ***               dec 1, 9, 20,   jan 1,12,27,   feb 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=672154  Bepesand (99)                       dec 1,10,21,   jan 2,14,27,   feb 8
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=672155  Cacaparg (52)                        dec 1,11,22,   jan 3,15,28,   feb 9

Dec 3. 9.30am
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675418  EssentialCoin (29)                  dec 3, 9, 20     jan 1,12,26,   feb 7
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675421  Fatanut (978)                        dec 3,10 ,21,   jan 2,14,27,   feb 8
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675425  Gotumoot (25)                       dec 3,11,22,    jan 3,15,28,   feb 9

Dec 4. 8.50am
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=676080  Hatuferu (2022)                      dec 4,16,20,   jan 2,14,27,   feb 8
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=676082  Julahid (55)                 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=676083  Kewatia (167) ***                  dec 4,16,20,   jan 2,14,27,   feb 8

you ask "Do you know what coincidence is?"
i do. which is why i can see the above is beyond coincidence.
i suppose Fatanut is coincidence too. and AlphaSun and Zooplus ?

[K~Ehleyr]

Is it feasible for a DT member to red tag all the farmed accounts as you identify them, Rizzla?  Perhaps reducing the value of farmed accounts with red paint is the best way non-admins can attack this beast.

[rizzlarolla]

Is it feasible for a DT member to red tag all the farmed accounts as you identify them, Rizzla?  Perhaps reducing the value of farmed accounts with red paint is the best way non-admins can attack this beast.

that's kind of what i was thinking.

To be fair handed, all need negative feedback imo.  Maybe "Don't buy or trust this farmed account, this feedback is permanent"

Have you seen any DT members round here?

[Timelord2067]

Is it feasible for a DT member to red tag all the farmed accounts as you identify them, Rizzla?  Perhaps reducing the value of farmed accounts with red paint is the best way non-admins can attack this beast.

The DT's are reluctant to get involved (Too many! They decry) - so I just hit them where it hurts - in their signature campaigns.  Get them banned and Red Paint ^TM the account.  They then can't sell the account, they have to buy another new account and get resigned up for signature campaigns all of which takes time and BitCoins.  The hours / days they loose resurrecting a Zombie Alt ^TM from the farmer's grave-yard is lost time spamming the Forum.

[coynedterm]

in my opinion it is not allowed because the reason , we are here to help each other but If we have multiple accounts then we needs to give our feedback in different ways which us a bad thing .
so i think it is not allowed here for account farming .

[rizzlarolla]

in my opinion it is not allowed because the reason , we are here to help each other but If we have multiple accounts then we needs to give our feedback in different ways which us a bad thing .
so i think it is not allowed here for account farming .

your on the 500+ list! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0

coynedterm  account registered 28 March. see same post rota 25 March accounts?
(hey, nice grammar. is that you Viyamore?)

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*because i know!!! what is farmed accounts*

[K~Ehleyr]

The DT's are reluctant to get involved (Too many! They decry) - so I just hit them where it hurts - in their signature campaigns.  Get them banned and Red Paint ^TM the account.  They then can't sell the account, they have to buy another new account and get resigned up for signature campaigns all of which takes time and BitCoins.  The hours / days they loose resurrecting a Zombie Alt ^TM from the farmer's grave-yard is lost time spamming the Forum.

I understand that it's a lot of work, but far less work than rizzlarolla is already putting into identifying the farmed accounts in the first place!  If DT only tag the accounts that rizzla has already investigated and listed, some farmed accounts could be caught and devalued before they even get into signature campaigns or before they are sold to buyers for sig campaigns.  It's great targetting the ones already in campaigns and valuable work, but many could be stopped before they even get that far just by using this thread as a reference.

It's a shame DT aren't interested, and criminal that admin aren't interested.  It's starting to feel like the bulk of this forum is made up of zombies, with just a handful of genuine members muddling through, and poor moderators wading through pages and pages of farmed spam that shouldn't even be there.

in my opinion it is not allowed because the reason , we are here to help each other but If we have multiple accounts then we needs to give our feedback in different ways which us a bad thing .
so i think it is not allowed here for account farming .

your on the 500+ list! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0

coynedterm  account registered 28 March. see same post rota 25 March accounts?
(hey, nice grammar. is that you Viyamore?)

LOL this thread is also a great honey trap!  Funny how the farmed accounts just can't keep away 

[rizzlarolla]

I understand that it's a lot of work, but far less work than rizzlarolla is already putting into identifying the farmed accounts in the first place!  

not so.

They are both a lot of work indeed.
I have a stationary target to work with.
Timelord2067 has an ever changing moving target. Very difficult.

Exactly why this needs dealing with at source. My 500+ list.
(that is about to be expanded)

The wheels are turning slowly in our favour i think.
Things are starting to become clear to people now.
(including me, i didn't know where my research was heading, i never expected to find such vast numbers of blatant accounts)

...and criminal that admin aren't interested.

is so.

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vvv indeed it would - back to my earlier question - have you seen any DT members round here?

[K~Ehleyr]

I understand that it's a lot of work, but far less work than rizzlarolla is already putting into identifying the farmed accounts in the first place!  

not so.

They are both a lot of work indeed.
I have a stationary target to work with.
Timelord2067 has an ever changing moving target. Very difficult.

Sorry, I wasn't referring to the work Timelord2067 is doing with that comment, his is certainly not a task I envy.  I meant it would be less work for a DT member (or two) to run through the lists you have already created copy-pasting the red-trust feedback, and that that would save Timelord some work in the long-term.

[Lavander]

Hi guys!

Good job rizzlarolla!

This account is on your list.

I'm writing here to drop  few informations for you, and talk about tagging accounts like this. In my opinion it will be "dangerous" move..
Let's take my example..

Couple months ago i make deal with one user, i don't remember his nickname (really) and in last message (finalizing deal) he wrote, that he want to thank me for fast and smooth deal. He wrote that he is moving out from this forum and he have 4 accounts that he don't need anymore. He attached 4 usernames and 4 correct passwords as bonus to our transaction. One of them was this account.

I hold this accounts, sometimes i drop some post, i was even trying to join signature campaign, but i never joined, or even when joined i was kicked out because of lack of activity.

In other words, certainly most of this accounts now have different owners, and in situation that trading accounts is allowed, and this users don't make any bad activity, tagging all of them can be hurtful for them.

One more very interesting information: From message history of one of this bonus accounts (was used to trade other accounts, but probably majority messages was removed) I deduced that this person own also very trusted accounts. I suppose that one or more was in group of DT members. I suspect also that this person was involved in the big escrow scandal that happen at the end of 2015.

Other thing is that i'm not sure if this person was only reseller of this accounts, or he was the main farmer.

Regards,

[LoyceV]

in situation that trading accounts is allowed, and this users don't make any bad activity, tagging all of them can be hurtful for them.

Getting tagged for someone else's behaviour is a risk you take when you buy an account.

[Timelord2067]

in situation that trading accounts is allowed, and this users don't make any bad activity, tagging all of them can be hurtful for them.

Getting tagged for someone else's behaviour is a risk you take when you buy an account.

For a moment there I thought I was reading Viyamore talking to LoyceV 

[Lavander]

in situation that trading accounts is allowed, and this users don't make any bad activity, tagging all of them can be hurtful for them.

Getting tagged for someone else's behaviour is a risk you take when you buy an account.

I think that people should to know with who they are speaking. But anonymity for Bitcoin is basic thing, so maybe we should look on this problem from other side. Maybe education of new users (because usually they give a catch on the storys of the earnings from signature campaigns) about the dangers of Bitcointalk should be the goal. Farmers and cheaters that are reading this thread already are preparing smarter ways to bypass this situation.
Punishing (in my opinion), should be the ultimate solution.  It is simply too late. I think we should start a discussion on how to stay ahead of fraudsters, not about how to chase them.
I hope you get what i mean ..

in situation that trading accounts is allowed, and this users don't make any bad activity, tagging all of them can be hurtful for them.

Getting tagged for someone else's behaviour is a risk you take when you buy an account.

For a moment there I thought I was reading Viyamore talking to LoyceV 

I think i understand what you mean..

Anyway i think a lot of people is freaking out now about farming and signature campaigns. Everyone is concentrated about this what already happen or what is going on now. But no one ask what gonna be next. Do this actions that you plan will eliminate farmers? No!

I like BadBear answer.. He know that everyone have right to public disscussion, but he is already preparing for problems that will come. Talking about solutions in public just help cheaters to find better ways.. 

[TwitchySeal]

in situation that trading accounts is allowed, and this users don't make any bad activity, tagging all of them can be hurtful for them.

Getting tagged for someone else's behaviour is a risk you take when you buy an account.

I think that people should to know with who they are speaking. But anonymity for Bitcoin is basic thing, so maybe we should look on this problem from other side. Maybe education of new users (because usually they give a catch on the storys of the earnings from signature campaigns) about the dangers of Bitcointalk should be the goal. Farmers and cheaters that are reading this thread already are preparing smarter ways to bypass this situation.
Punishing (in my opinion), should be the ultimate solution.  It is simply too late. I think we should start a discussion on how to stay ahead of fraudsters, not about how to chase them.
I hope you get what i mean ..

Transparency.  Not anonymity. 

[Lavander]

Transparency.  Not anonymity. 

Point of view depends on the point of sitting

[rizzlarolla]

I'm liking my 500+ list.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0

It is starting to show patterns very nicely.
Look at the alphabet list on Nov 27. (the 2nd list that day)

See how the alphabet is continued from one regestration session to the next. One day to the next.
7 straight days that continues, getting through 3 and half alphabets.
What was he thinking!

Make me think i have missed other alphabet lists?
Nov 25/26 is missing A-O. Nov 27 (the 1st list that day) missing J-Z
If they are there, i will find them. They cannot hide forever.

And as if by magic, they appear!

Nov 26 2015
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666723  Ademen (26)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666728  Balmtand (26)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666732  Cusdonard (37)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666734  Dolmater (23)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666763  Edsemen (26)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666771  Fulmand (25)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666776  Gasotard (28)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666783  Halmater (23)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666791  Jistlad (25)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666798  Kelarid (35)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666806  Lamatda (25)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666808  Mugtaiya (26)

Nov 27 2015
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667910  Jitmad (24)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667916  Kemarit (56)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667920  Lanatsa (25)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667924  Muhtaixa (26)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667927  Paractor (27)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667929  Qartersa (56)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667932  Rufsilf (26)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667933  Sibtalf (44)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667936  Tacalt (359)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667942  Vitkore (24)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667946  Wapfika (26)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667954  Yanidas (25)