[ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo - An Open, Composable Smart Chain Platform, Secured by B

[ComputerGenie]

Why am I stuck reading pages of bullshit that all started with some random post about some random blog post from some random jagoff from 4 years ago?


A random jagoff who, not coincidentally, cryptographically signed a post on this very forum bragging about how great what he later bashed in the blog was. When he was making money it was "the shit" and when he wasn't it was "all shit".  

[Decker]

So if the bank leaves the vault open it's ok to go in and take what you want? Got it.

If the huge sign "We are open! Please, come in!" hangs over the entrance to the vault, yes i will go and take what i want. Because it's open and has a corresponding sign. Publishing sources on GitHub means for everybody - it's ready, you can use it as you want, isn't it?

[gfigg42]

So if the bank leaves the vault open it's ok to go in and take what you want? Got it.

If the huge sign "We are open! Please, come in!" hangs over the entrance to the vault, yes i will go and take what i want. Because it's open and has a corresponding sign. Publishing sources on GitHub means for everybody - it's ready, you can use it as you want, isn't it?

I notice your sign didn't say: "Please steal out money"

We did use it how we wanted, however James wasn't pleased about it. He still felt like SAFE had enough value to hatch a scheme to steal as much as he could without being caught. Such an amazing dev. Forgot about one of his own bug fixes though and got busted.

I also find it just a bit ironic he's busting our balls about security when he couldn't even secure a slack channel. Next time he should buy burner phones.

[Decker]

I notice your sign didn't say: "Please steal out money"

I think that "mining coins" != "steal money", if previous version of SAFE allowed GPU miners and notaries mining with low diff - it can be mined both ways. And if somebody found a way how to mine it easier - this is not a reason to blame him.

p.s. I'm fully agree with polycryptoblog - jl777 is a very talented and versed in cryptography developer. If he found that SAFE has unchanged notaries public keys and told about it in any way (forum, chat channel, irc, slack, ... etc), it is his freedom. Description of opportunities - is not an attempt to steal something. And if somebody decided to mine SAFE using existing pubkeys - I see this as an attempt to demonstrate SAFE developers completely didn't understand forked sources, but not an attempt to steal something.

[utrum.io]

Sure, we admit we like free coins. who doesnt. Isnt that why you made a 4 million premine? and stealth mining 6 million more.

If liking free/cheap coins is a crime, we are all criminals.

There is no mess, the network diff is where it was before the other day, GPU miners are getting blocks. Though I guess having someone outside the inner circle having coins is messing up your pump and dump plans? Now I understand why the reaction to the $1000 in lost mining is provoking such a loud reaction. This really does mess up your pump and dump plan, doesnt it?

I think having some external party with enough coins to prevent a pump and dump scheme is not such a bad idea and I am proud to do so.
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Is this who you want leading your team KMD investors?
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Dude, who asked you to fork KMD in the first place?

Why did you rant at JL777 if you can't make a proper fork?

How is SAFE coin better than KMD except you want to make quick money.

Stop coming to KMD thread. We are happy with JL777 and don't bother us.

[ComputerGenie]

...We did use it how we wanted, however James wasn't pleased about it...

Yes, I'm sure that his displeasure came from it being forked and not such things like...
Calling a chain checkpoint:

//(57731, uint256S("0x00000070e091feaa8c995c68a31254afa8fb12dc15c28382d345f11f515f172f")),   //malicious komodo attack

commits with titles like:

patch malicious komodo dev team hack

final removal of malicious KMD notary nodes

Or you general delusional, right-wing dickishness.

[gfigg42]

I notice your sign didn't say: "Please steal out money"

I think that "mining coins" != "steal money", if previous version of SAFE allowed GPU miners and notaries mining with low diff - it can be mined both ways. And if somebody found a way how to mine it easier - this is not a reason to blame him.

When the KMD dev sees a flaw in our code and chooses to exploit it, it's a problem. Do you think we intended for Komodo genesis notaries to be able to mine free coins? Was that our mistake, hell yes it was and it was a damn bad one because it turns out the KMD devs are not to be trusted.

All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated. This coin is less than 6 weeks old. Are we expected to have a perfect code base and all infrastructure developed from day one? An ethical dev would have notified us of the problem, not hatched a scheme to stealth mine as many coins as possible just in case they're worth something one day. Now when caught he continues to blame us and call us the scammers when the only verified scammers in this idiocy are him and his merry band of cohorts. Pondsea was really quite excited by the prospects, it's a sight to behold. This is really indefensible behavior. Greed is a hell of a drug.

[cctap]

I have 110% trust in jl777.

And at this point, I wish he Would leave un-safechain at 1 trillion difficulty.

[ComputerGenie]

...All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated...

The larger problem is that you still don't understand your own issues. It was activated and you don't like that you activated it.
I have a word for you that, perhaps, you should goggle and would solve many of your problems:

testnet

[jl777B]

I notice your sign didn't say: "Please steal out money"

I think that "mining coins" != "steal money", if previous version of SAFE allowed GPU miners and notaries mining with low diff - it can be mined both ways. And if somebody found a way how to mine it easier - this is not a reason to blame him.

When the KMD dev sees a flaw in our code and chooses to exploit it, it's a problem. Do you think we intended for Komodo genesis notaries to be able to mine free coins? Was that our mistake, hell yes it was and it was a damn bad one because it turns out the KMD devs are not to be trusted.

All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated. This coin is less than 6 weeks old. Are we expected to have a perfect code base and all infrastructure developed from day one? An ethical dev would have notified us of the problem, not hatched a scheme to stealth mine as many coins as possible just in case they're worth something one day. Now when caught he continues to blame us and call us the scammers when the only verified scammers in this idiocy are him and his merry band of cohorts. Pondsea was really quite excited by the prospects, it's a sight to behold. This is really indefensible behavior. Greed is a hell of a drug.

Dont claim you improved dPoW then. Why did you do that? Why do you even claim you have dPoW when you have no notaries?

I know $50 is a lot of money for you so you wont believe me when I say that the $600 value of the 60000 SAFE is not of any concern to me. (maybe a penny each is being too generous)

My concern is that there isnt some half baked coin claiming to be a KMD fork when anybody can destroy the network. It looks like maybe the latest fixes might have a chance, but I only glanced at it and it feels some stuff is missing.

Let me know when you feel it is fixed and I will do some free pen testing for you. I promise to donate any of the SAFE I get so it is clear it is not any attempt to get free coins. Clearly you dont feel anything is owed to the creator of the coin you forked and that is your right, but it does seem a bit extreme to rollback the chain over a fraction of the premine.

[taggartd]

I'd like to vote but in agama i have not my vote2018... It's a strange thing because i don't see vote2018 if i enter with my passphrase neither if i put the wif private key.

In the agama wallet of course i had kmd during the snapshot.

Any suggestion?

It seems you need to activate VOTE2018, either before entering your passpharse by using the "Activate Coin" button, or form within the wallet once you are signed in (the "ACTIVATE COIN" button is at the top-right corner of the app).

Thanks, i solved with an help from Kolo

[gfigg42]

...All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated...

The larger problem is that you still don't understand your own issues. It was activated and you don't like that you activated it.
I have a word for you that, perhaps, you should goggle and would solve many of your problems:

testnet

Here's one that would be even better:

ETHICAL KMD DEVS

Sad part is we would have loved to work with KMD on testnet. Even James acknowledged the benefit to KMD of having a full fork to test KMD only features with on testnet.

He's blown that now as I don't see how we can trust him again in any way. All for a few coins he calls worthless. Nice job.

[jl777B]

...All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated...

The larger problem is that you still don't understand your own issues. It was activated and you don't like that you activated it.
I have a word for you that, perhaps, you should goggle and would solve many of your problems:

testnet

Here's one that would be even better:

ETHICAL KMD DEVS

Sad part is we would have loved to work with KMD on testnet. Even James acknowledged the benefit to KMD of having a full fork to test KMD only features with on testnet.

He's blown that now as I don't see how we can trust him again in any way. All for a few coins he calls worthless. Nice job.

you can fully trust me to call you out on any more bogus claims you make.

[polycryptoblog]

...All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated...

The larger problem is that you still don't understand your own issues. It was activated and you don't like that you activated it.
I have a word for you that, perhaps, you should goggle and would solve many of your problems:

testnet

Here's one that would be even better:

ETHICAL KMD DEVS

Sad part is we would have loved to work with KMD on testnet. Even James acknowledged the benefit to KMD of having a full fork to test KMD only features with on testnet.

He's blown that now as I don't see how we can trust him again in any way. All for a few coins he calls worthless. Nice job.

You have no grounds to talk about ethics.   You claim to be doing delayed proof of work, yet have no notaries or btc funds to do such. 

[Karasugoi]

I notice your sign didn't say: "Please steal out money"

I think that "mining coins" != "steal money", if previous version of SAFE allowed GPU miners and notaries mining with low diff - it can be mined both ways. And if somebody found a way how to mine it easier - this is not a reason to blame him.

When the KMD dev sees a flaw in our code and chooses to exploit it, it's a problem. Do you think we intended for Komodo genesis notaries to be able to mine free coins? Was that our mistake, hell yes it was and it was a damn bad one because it turns out the KMD devs are not to be trusted.

All coins go through a development phase where certain features are not yet activated. This coin is less than 6 weeks old. Are we expected to have a perfect code base and all infrastructure developed from day one? An ethical dev would have notified us of the problem, not hatched a scheme to stealth mine as many coins as possible just in case they're worth something one day. Now when caught he continues to blame us and call us the scammers when the only verified scammers in this idiocy are him and his merry band of cohorts. Pondsea was really quite excited by the prospects, it's a sight to behold. This is really indefensible behavior. Greed is a hell of a drug.

YOU DON'T GET IT.   It isn't a flaw or bug in the code.  It is fundamental for dPOW, notaries secure the chains. SafeCoin copied komodo code, as is, without comprehension nor consultation, and invited people to mine it.   SafeCoin DEV claimed SAFE is dPOW, just like Komodo.  If you put a coin out for real use, and keep a massive premine, and expect people to attach value to it because it is like Komodo, when it isn't anything of the sort, that is unethical and reeks of scam. 

It is not ethical to announce your coin as being protected by BTC when it isn't.  That is fraud. 

The evidence of this is plain to see in the coins thread title :    

Re: [ANN][SAFE][dPOW] Safecoin - Komodo Fork - zCash Privacy Secured by Bitcoin   

Until this blatant lie is removed or fixed by dPOWing to BTC,  SafeCoin dev is lying to and cheating the SAFE community and is reflecting badly on komodo causing harm to both.  You are pissed off at the wrong people. 

[wisnon]

Why does it ask for priv key on the dashboard?

[ComputerGenie]

Why does it ask for priv key on the dashboard?

"it"?

[oblox]

So just getting up to speed... SAFE forks KMD, doesn't really know what the code does by leaving notary keys in, pushes everything to master so it's public and on mainnet and then bitches when the KMD notaries that own the keys mine on easy difficulty? Then JL helps them and tries to salvage the mess they put themselves in, yet the dev team does not listen and then team safe decides to troll the KMD thread bitching about ethics and how KMD's lead dev is a scammer. That sound about right? Frankly the coins the notaries own are fair... it's the cost of releasing botchy code. The fact that JL decided to help you guys shows character. Most code edits and white hat vulnerability tests cost money to perform--JL effectively got paid to audit parts of your code.

Honestly, after seeing the continuation of this, I would sure hope JL mines the shit out of this causing the diff to spike to unimaginable levels.

[ComputerGenie]

So just getting up to speed... SAFE forks KMD, doesn't really know what the code does by leaving notary keys in, pushes everything to master so it's public and on mainnet and then bitches when the KMD notaries that own the keys mine on easy difficulty? Then JL helps them and tries to salvage the mess they put themselves in, yet the dev team does not listen and then team safe decides to troll the KMD thread bitching about ethics and how KMD's lead dev is a scammer. That sound about right? ....

Yes. 

[gfigg42]

So just getting up to speed... SAFE forks KMD, doesn't really know what the code does by leaving notary keys in, pushes everything to master so it's public and on mainnet and then bitches when the KMD notaries that own the keys mine on easy difficulty? Then JL helps them and tries to salvage the mess they put themselves in, yet the dev team does not listen and then team safe decides to troll the KMD thread bitching about ethics and how KMD's lead dev is a scammer. That sound about right? Frankly the coins the notaries own are fair... it's the cost of releasing botchy code. The fact that JL decided to help you guys shows character. Most code edits and white hat vulnerability tests cost money to perform--JL effectively got paid to audit parts of your code.

Honestly, after seeing the continuation of this, I would sure hope JL mines the shit out of this causing the diff to spike to unimaginable levels.

His intentions were not noble. He's lying. I have screenshots of their conversations in slack to prove it. That is my main problem. We accept all responsibility for problems with our fork. Forgive us for not being 100% perfect in 6 weeks. We must be the first fork to ever have issues.

All his complaints about problems with our verbiage could have been easily handled. In fact we did make changes requested by him earlier. He simply saw an opportunity to get him some free coins so hey, why let ethics get in the way?

Once the screenshots are made public, he'll have done more damage to KMD than we ever could have. Then again it sure seems like a lot of people around here just don't give a shit. I wonder what kolo thinks about all of this? He seems to have some integrity. I quote:

"kolo 10:49am
Can someone explain why so much aggression to safecoin? Like none of us was a 12 yo kid "forking" some website, app, poem or whatever to learn how to create? I've seen them forked komodo, not copypasting and removing any fork mentions. Is that too bad? I thought forking was supposed to work this way"

Yes I thought so too.