Bitcoin Forum
December 17, 2017, 10:42:03 AM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.15.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Cryptos w/ integrated Tor or I2P  (Read 606 times)
EBK1000
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1134


A Wound in Eternity


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 05:13:10 AM
 #1

I am trying to do some background research on cryptos w/ integrated Tor or I2P and that run the entire network within Tor or I2P and NOT as an option. Can we try to compile a list of coins running Tor only (or I2P only) and what are the weaknesses with such a system and how could it be improved.

ED:

I have so far found:

Cryptographic Triangles [TRI]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=820103.0
https://github.com/wurstgelee/triangles
Only traded on Cryptopia and seems abandoned, no activity on GitHub for more than a year and dev not online since January 2016
This crypto appears to be running the entire network within Tor

Excluding the CryptoNote currencies: Monero (XMR), Bytecoin (BCN), Ducknote (XDN) etc.

Soooooooon...............
1513507323
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1513507323

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1513507323
Reply with quote  #2

1513507323
Report to moderator
1513507323
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1513507323

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1513507323
Reply with quote  #2

1513507323
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1513507323
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1513507323

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1513507323
Reply with quote  #2

1513507323
Report to moderator
dinofelis
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 06:52:48 AM
 #2

I am trying to do some background research on cryptos w/ integrated Tor or I2P and that run the entire network within Tor or I2P and NOT as an option.

It would be somehow contradictory to run such a thing on Tor.  If the idea is to confine it to the network, then I only see I2P as an option, even though you *could* do it on TOR, but it would be a bad idea.   TOR is essentially meant to be an obfuscating proxy on the clearnet.  Even though you can have hidden services on TOR, it is not meant to be an "inside only" network, and hence compromises have been made on TOR that are not necessary if your goal is to stay inside the net.
I would even say that if you don't want to stick to I2P, Freenet is a better idea than TOR.  In other words, you take unnecessary risks by using TOR, because TOR is designed to exit back to the clearnet, and has to accept certain risks doing so.  I2P doesn't, and is hence IMO safer for an "inside only" network usage.
Priam
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 16


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 08:00:57 AM
 #3

If I remember well, Torrentcoin has such an option, but my memory could be bad and I might be saying bullshit.
EBK1000
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1134


A Wound in Eternity


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 08:46:30 AM
 #4

I am trying to do some background research on cryptos w/ integrated Tor or I2P and that run the entire network within Tor or I2P and NOT as an option.

It would be somehow contradictory to run such a thing on Tor.  If the idea is to confine it to the network, then I only see I2P as an option, even though you *could* do it on TOR, but it would be a bad idea.   TOR is essentially meant to be an obfuscating proxy on the clearnet.  Even though you can have hidden services on TOR, it is not meant to be an "inside only" network, and hence compromises have been made on TOR that are not necessary if your goal is to stay inside the net.
I would even say that if you don't want to stick to I2P, Freenet is a better idea than TOR.  In other words, you take unnecessary risks by using TOR, because TOR is designed to exit back to the clearnet, and has to accept certain risks doing so.  I2P doesn't, and is hence IMO safer for an "inside only" network usage.


The idea would be that the whole network, i.e. all the nodes, clients, masternodes etc. communicated through Tor and so no traffic would ever reach the clearnet, all transactions within Tor, exclude all clients not running Tor. No traffic would ever reach a Tor exit node.

Soooooooon...............
BTCwriter
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 910



View Profile
September 11, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
 #5

I am trying to do some background research on cryptos w/ integrated Tor or I2P and that run the entire network within Tor or I2P and NOT as an option. Can we try to compile a list of coins running Tor only (or I2P only) and what are the weaknesses with such a system and how could it be improved.

ED:

I have so far found:

Cryptographic Triangles [TRI]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=820103.0
https://github.com/wurstgelee/triangles
Only traded on Cryptopia and seems abandoned, no activity on GitHub for more than a year and dev not online since January 2016
This crypto appears to be running the entire network within Tor

Excluding the CryptoNote currencies: Monero (XMR), Bytecoin (BCN), Ducknote (XDN) etc.

StealthCoin [XST] is the first in the world to implemented TOR from started.
pereira4
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1190



View Profile
September 11, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
 #6

Well in a way Bitcoin is integrated. As far as I know since Bitcoin 0.12 was released, it has the ability to run as a hidden service in tor by simply opening the tor browser and the bitcoin core project at the same time.

dinofelis
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 06:20:55 PM
 #7

The idea would be that the whole network, i.e. all the nodes, clients, masternodes etc. communicated through Tor and so no traffic would ever reach the clearnet, all transactions within Tor, exclude all clients not running Tor. No traffic would ever reach a Tor exit node.

The point is that the network that has been designed for that, is I2P, and in a certain way, Freenet, not TOR.  TOR has this functionality also, but as an ad-on.  I2P was designed exactly with that in mind.    I was thinking about Freenet because maybe the ledger (block chain) could be a distributed freenet file itself.
dinofelis
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
 #8

Well in a way Bitcoin is integrated. As far as I know since Bitcoin 0.12 was released, it has the ability to run as a hidden service in tor by simply opening the tor browser and the bitcoin core project at the same time.

You mean that you can configure your bitcoin core to use a TOR proxy (a local one, accessing your TOR gateway) ?
EBK1000
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1134


A Wound in Eternity


View Profile
September 11, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
 #9

The idea would be that the whole network, i.e. all the nodes, clients, masternodes etc. communicated through Tor and so no traffic would ever reach the clearnet, all transactions within Tor, exclude all clients not running Tor. No traffic would ever reach a Tor exit node.

The point is that the network that has been designed for that, is I2P, and in a certain way, Freenet, not TOR.  TOR has this functionality also, but as an ad-on.  I2P was designed exactly with that in mind.    I was thinking about Freenet because maybe the ledger (block chain) could be a distributed freenet file itself.


That's interesting, I will have a look at Freenet and I2P in some more detail and see what might be possible.

Do you know any cryptos using Freenet?

Soooooooon...............
vlom
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 854



View Profile WWW
September 11, 2016, 06:35:30 PM
 #10

I am trying to do some background research on cryptos w/ integrated Tor or I2P and that run the entire network within Tor or I2P and NOT as an option.

It would be somehow contradictory to run such a thing on Tor.  If the idea is to confine it to the network, then I only see I2P as an option, even though you *could* do it on TOR, but it would be a bad idea.   TOR is essentially meant to be an obfuscating proxy on the clearnet.  Even though you can have hidden services on TOR, it is not meant to be an "inside only" network, and hence compromises have been made on TOR that are not necessary if your goal is to stay inside the net.
I would even say that if you don't want to stick to I2P, Freenet is a better idea than TOR.  In other words, you take unnecessary risks by using TOR, because TOR is designed to exit back to the clearnet, and has to accept certain risks doing so.  I2P doesn't, and is hence IMO safer for an "inside only" network usage.


The idea would be that the whole network, i.e. all the nodes, clients, masternodes etc. communicated through Tor and so no traffic would ever reach the clearnet, all transactions within Tor, exclude all clients not running Tor. No traffic would ever reach a Tor exit node.

why is this interesting? why do you want an blockchain that is only "inside" the TOR-network? where is the difference that you want to use / to be able to profit from?

                   ▐█▌
                   ███
                  █████
                ▄███████▄
 ████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█████████████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄████
  ▀███████████████████████████████████▀
    ▀███████████████████████████████▀
      ██████████████ ██████████████
      ▐████████████   ████████████▌
       ███████████     ███████████
      ▐██████████       ██████████▌
      █████████▀         ▀█████████
    ▄████████▀             ▀████████▄
  ▄███████▀▀                 ▀▀███████▄
▄█████▀▀                         ▀▀█████▄
Trade  Whitepaper  Bounties    ▬▬▬▬▬
..Connect and Create..
                ▄▄████▄▄
               ██████████
              ████████████
              ████████████
      █████   ████████████   █████
     ███████  ████████████  ███████
     ███████  ████████████  ███████
     ███████   ██████████   ███████
     ███████    ████████    ███████
      ██████    ████████    ██████
      █████▀   ██████████   ▀█████
   ▄▄██▀▀    ██████████████    ▀▀█▄▄
 █████  ████████████████████████  █████
█████  ██████████████████████████  █████
       ██████████████████████████
c789
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 848



View Profile
September 12, 2016, 12:50:43 AM
 #11

It's still in development, but you may want to keep Kovri on your watchlist. It will allow Monero transactions to be conducted through I2P. It's being developed by the Monero developers:

https://github.com/monero-project/kovri

http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/62/is-the-purpose-of-the-kovri-c-project-solely-to-benefit-monero

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!