✅ɃETCOIN.AG - POKER CLOSING - 42 BTC BBJP??? ✅

[TwitchySeal]

Can you get my money back from Tilt, UB, AP, or Lock?  No!  There hasn't been anybody who could....so, what makes your service special, thief?  

That's because you lost it before black friday.

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[cjmoles]

Can you get my money back from Tilt, UB, AP, or Lock?  No!  There hasn't been anybody who could....so, what makes your service special, thief?  

That's because you lost it before black friday.

No....the Lock Poker incident is fairly recent....last year.  And, AP came back and ran for a little while even after Black Friday....My bad though...I knew the risks.

[TwitchySeal]

@cjmoles

Could you please ask them what's up with these independent studies, statements and where this article is and why they are adding more Betsoft progressive Jackpots if nothing has been done?

they wont delete your post, i dont think

Nothing has been done about what?  It would help to know what needs to be done.  There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that there's a real problem with the provider....that's why somebody reputable needs to do an independent study.  It'd be interesting to analyze, for sure.  But, out of all the watchdogs, nobody's been able to provide anything that they are willing to stand behind and publish.  Not even casinolistings.com is confident enough in their own study to blacklist their affiliates....So far, nobody else has found their data credible enough to put forth their own effort to conduct an independent study.

Well, they said an article would be written soon to clarify the relationship between Casino and Software Provider.  

They basically said betsoft needs to explain themselves after the jasonort thing.

Then  nothing happened.

Now its almost November and they are adding more Betsoft progressive jackpots to their site and ignoring any question about the Betsoft issue.

Maybe they won't ignore you.  Give it a shot, why not?

[game-protect]

Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  

Explain the mistake(s) in the calculation (Xiaoxiao was not able):

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as Xiaoxiao do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + the countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) Xiaoxiao received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Xiaoxiao's behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate! 


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

[DarkDays]

CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.

[TwitchySeal]

CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.

His last post was a couple hours before the cutoff time for their sig campaign end of stage.

He's made around 80 posts in the last 36 hours, guess he fell behind and wanted to make sure to get paid.

[DarkDays]

CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.

His last post was a couple hours before the cutoff time for their sig campaign end of stage.

He's made around 80 posts in the last 36 hours, guess he fell behind and wanted to make sure to get paid.

When your ABI is 40 cents, every penny counts I guess.

[Wendigo]

The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly 
Is this account sold or what?

[DarkDays]

The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly 
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".

[lenyro]

The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".

betcoin.ag must like that ass-sucker hero account to debate for him, and they him nice.

[Wendigo]

The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly 
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".

Touche 

[DarkStar_]

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6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate! 


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

Maybe, just maybe, but maybe (<- didn't mean to use it again, but felt weird without) their rigged (for the most part) casino games generate good profits, as well as their sportsbook (pretty high margins). I don't think it's fair to accuse them like that without thinking about their sports volume and casino volume - not everything is poker.

While I do think Betcoin is a scummy site, I think your being too focused on attacking them.

[NiceSoft12]

Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  

Explain the mistake(s) in the calculation (Xiaoxiao was not able):

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as Xiaoxiao do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + the countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) Xiaoxiao received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Xiaoxiao's behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate! 


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

You must be the dumbest mf on forum. 58-133% doesn't mean average players get 95.5%. Most players are getting 58 - 80% and 80 is a very rare occurrence. I've got 3 referrals to xiao, one guy's a silver at around 53%, another is gold around 60 and then one guy is a emerald which is like 68%. Use your brain before you spew bs man.

[TwitchySeal]

I'm 90% sure that Nicesoft is a personal friend posing as just another player or alt account that belongs to Xiaoxiao.  No smoking gun proof, but I'd be surprised if I were wrong (although I wouldn't feel bad considering the shit he's made up about me and pretended like they were fact)


Edit: I wouldn't normally make an accusation like this without evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.  But I'm making an exception here because they have each proven themselves to be total scum and It would just make perfect sense if the nicesoft account were created with the sole purpose of promoting Betcoin and more specifically Xiaoxiao as an affiliate if you look at the post history (including those posts complaining about late rake-back payments - and the swc affiliate link included in sig)

[game-protect]

Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  

Explain the mistake(s) in the calculation (Xiaoxiao was not able):

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as Xiaoxiao do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + the countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) Xiaoxiao received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Xiaoxiao's behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

You must be the dumbest mf on forum. 58-133% doesn't mean average players get 95.5%. Most players are getting 58 - 80% and 80 is a very rare occurrence. I've got 3 referrals to xiao, one guy's a silver at around 53%, another is gold around 60 and then one guy is a emerald which is like 68%. Use your brain before you spew bs man.

58-133% is mathematically in average 95,5%! But it does not play much a role:

Even if most players receive only 70% rakeback in average + the 40% commission they pay to Xiaoxiao, they lose 110% of every $1 rake they collect.

+ the too good to be true promotions

+ the business expenses

And this confirms that they make their money with cheating players, because their business model itself is not sustainable!

[cjmoles]

The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  
Is this account sold or what?

So, what are saying?  Are you a new recruit to the Betcoin Fud team?  Do you believe there's something wrong with the quality of my posts? You guys throw unfounded accusations around like you have some level of credibility....No, my account was not bought or sold, and no, I do not have alternate accounts....What about you?  Why are you digging into my activity? Something to gain by trolling me?

The value of Bitcoin is rising so I guess this is a very big incentive but making 42 posts in 1 day on a Hero account oO. Holy moly  
Is this account sold or what?

Every account that has spamsig is "sold".

Touche  

"Touche   "  <---- Quality post there!  Shall we start comparing?

CJMultiaccounter is now trolling in here?  SAD.  Seems like he should find something better to do than go into a thread and try to derail it.  Typical Betcoin Employee tactics.

For one, this is a counterfeited thread pretending like it's the official Betcoin.ag thread and it is full of false information and lies. It demonstrates a level of deception that is befitting of your collusion group.  And, for two, how is adding an element of truth derailing your counterfeited thread?

[game-protect]

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6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

Maybe, just maybe, but maybe (<- didn't mean to use it again, but felt weird without) their rigged (for the most part) casino games generate good profits, as well as their sportsbook (pretty high margins). I don't think it's fair to accuse them like that without thinking about their sports volume and casino volume - not everything is poker.

While I do think Betcoin is a scummy site, I think your being too focused on attacking them.

Xiaoxiao itself stated that his poker players paid 75 BTC rake in August, while the casino revenue was around 3 BTC. The 3 BTC casino revenue can even not cover the 6 BTC for their signature campaign here.

For the 75 BTC rake collected, they have to pay around 70 - 80% rakeback + 40% commission to Xiaoxiao = 110 - 120% = 7,5 - 15 BTC loss + too good to be true promotions loss + business expenses loss!

[DarkDays]

For one, this is a counterfeited thread pretending like it's the official Betcoin.ag thread and it is full of false information and lies. It demonstrates a level of deception that is befitting of your collusion group.  And, for two, how is adding an element of truth derailing your counterfeited thread?

1.  There's nothing "counterfeit" about it.  This thread was only made in response to Betcoin closing their open thread and opening a "self-moderated" thread.  Do you disagree with that?  If Betcoin had never chosen to stop allowing open discussion, this thread wouldn't be necessary.  Seriously, go through this thread and see all of the posts that Betcoin has censored already, it's shocking and sad.  Nobody who is thinking clearly can defend them.  Nobody.  It is not worth the pennies they are paying you.

2.  While posters like myself can not predict who will post in this thread, or what they will say, I implore you to point out the false information/lies.  If this is "full" of both of those, you should be able to easily point out a dozen examples.  Please do that and defend your position.  If you can't, you are just proving that you are an ad hominem liar.  And that again begs the question...why would you come in here and throw around false flag lies?  What benefit does that provide to you?  Unless...

3.  In a similar vein, please support your "collusion group" claim.  That is a big accusation to make!  I encourage you to report ALL collusion to Betcoin support.  This, of course, includes your multiaccounting.

I do hope you appreciate what is going on here.  You come in, say defaming lies, get paid a penny or two by Jessica White, and your post isn't censored.  It isn't even ignored!  I'm attempting to engage with you, to create a dialogue.  I'm not demeaning you or calling you names, I'm giving you ample opportunity to explain yourself, show examples, and convince me that what you are saying is true.  Are you as open minded?  Are you willing to have a discussion?  Or are you beholden to a master? 

[ndnh]

Some thoughts:

1) Most customers come thru bitcointalk.org

2) No one complain here that the monthly vip freerolls 25 BTC Master, 10 BTC Diamond, 5 BTC Ruby and 3 BTC Emerald are not running.

This at least strongly indicates that no one reach these vip levels and this strongly indicates that most customers are fun and losing players.

3) Players receive in average 100% rakeback = no revenue for betcoin.ag, but how do they generate money?

4) Considering that they have mostly fun and losing players and considering that there is no control whatsoever, I assume that they make their money with superuser accounts.

This would perfect explain their behaviour why they offer since 2 years! 100% rakeback and at the same time have an army of dumb liars to draw dumb customers in!

100 percent average rakeback?  You're math skills are absolutely astute.  

Explain the mistake(s) in the calculation (Xiaoxiao was not able):

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as Xiaoxiao do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + the countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) Xiaoxiao received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Xiaoxiao's behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) A legitimate company would never pay 30 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average + surprise boxes + affiliate commissions + signature campaigns + software provider fees + employees + infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

LOL!! This sounds really stupid that I am suddenly not sure if betcoin.ag is scammy or not.

[cjmoles]

For one, this is a counterfeited thread pretending like it's the official Betcoin.ag thread and it is full of false information and lies. It demonstrates a level of deception that is befitting of your collusion group.  And, for two, how is adding an element of truth derailing your counterfeited thread?

1.  There's nothing "counterfeit" about it.  This thread was only made in response to Betcoin closing their open thread and opening a "self-moderated" thread.  Do you disagree with that?  If Betcoin had never chosen to stop allowing open discussion, this thread wouldn't be necessary.  Seriously, go through this thread and see all of the posts that Betcoin has censored already, it's shocking and sad.  Nobody who is thinking clearly can defend them.  Nobody.  It is not worth the pennies they are paying you.

2.  While posters like myself can not predict who will post in this thread, or what they will say, I implore you to point out the false information/lies.  If this is "full" of both of those, you should be able to easily point out a dozen examples.  Please do that and defend your position.  If you can't, you are just proving that you are an ad hominem liar.  And that again begs the question...why would you come in here and throw around false flag lies?  What benefit does that provide to you?  Unless...

3.  In a similar vein, please support your "collusion group" claim.  That is a big accusation to make!  I encourage you to report ALL collusion to Betcoin support.  This, of course, includes your multiaccounting.

I do hope you appreciate what is going on here.  You come in, say defaming lies, get paid a penny or two by Jessica White, and your post isn't censored.  It isn't even ignored!  I'm attempting to engage with you, to create a dialogue.  I'm not demeaning you or calling you names, I'm giving you ample opportunity to explain yourself, show examples, and convince me that what you are saying is true.  Are you as open minded?  Are you willing to have a discussion?  Or are you beholden to a master? 

A thread Titled "♠BETCOIN.AG♠👺 OFFICIAL THREAD 👹 The Poker Sports Casino  🖕UNCENSORED🖕"  isn't a counterfeit of the real official thread titled "♠ BETCOIN.AG ♠ OFFICIAL THREAD- The Poker Sports Casino Dice Affiliate ?" found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.0  Okay, dude!  See how you guys think! That's your version of honest?

And, when I said "collusion group," you know I meant the team you guys recruited to bash on Betcoin.ag to scalp traffic to rival sites which, I might add, aren't nearly as successful as Betcoin.ag.  It's this group of scammy people you've recruited to splatter all the Betcoin.ag supporters profiles with red and it's all the alternate accounts that are associated with them!  And, it's all these scammy organisations you support who are trying to rip people off with their crooked affiliate programs, like game-protect and casinolisting.  That's just scammy as hell.