President Duterte announce the seperation in USA

[Vinz24]

Philippines is a strategic location. USA needs the Philippines in controlling the South China Sea. And it is very important in its Asia Pivot.

Possible Outcome:

USA may gave counter offer to Digong. More investments, aid, loans and military weapons or USA will call the bluff and sanction the Philippines. Cut the Aids and Loans,  can put high tariffs on our exports and remittances. It can transfer the BPO/American companies to other countries. Or they will do the dirty work, like assassination or regime change. Millions of call center agents may lose will their job.

China can also give rights to the fishermen to the contested areas. Joint epxlorations on oil and minerals on the spratlys. Loans, aid and investments may reach up to $21 Billion for Digongs project. We will be part on the new silkroad project of China. We will have access to the 100 million tourists of china.

Philippines can now buy cheaper jet planes and missiles from Russia and China. Russia can now help us on the bataan power plant and to build more nuclear plants to lessen our dependence on oil. Remember USA they did not wan't to sell those high tech weapons to Philippines instead sold its old retired coastguard cutters without its weapons and 2 planes without missiles. They are giving $3.5 billion to Israel, $1 billion to Egypt, $1 billion to Pakistan and to us its close ally $31 million for the military every year. Those old cost guard cutters 2 planes are not enough to counter china. If China invades Philippines will invaded in less than 24 hours.

Very well said. I agree in your first statement that the US will make counter offer for the PH. I think Duterte decision will give a positive response from the US.

Very poor decision if implemented. The US has always respected the Philippines, seeing it as a sovereign country, whereas China sees its neighbors as dwarfs, and doesn't respect them in any way.

In this case at least, I have to agree with you. The strong relations which the Philippines enjoy with the United States was the main reason why China didn't try to invade the disputed South China Sea islands. If the American support is gone, then the Filipinos will be sitting ducks. Duterte must start damage control ASAP.

For me you guys are just narrow minded. You dont know really what is on the mind of the president he is protecting you guys from world war 3 because he knows that the battle field will be in palawan and other asean cointries. So it is very worry from tk have that kind of war after all duterte will always friend of japan. So i do not need to worry.

I agree with you, I'm not a pro Duterte but I like his decision. He is just using his options.

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[clickerz]

Duterte didn't mean he doesn't want to "be friends" with the USA anymore.

What he means is he wants to stop being too dependent, and being in these agreements that really only benefit the US

Yes,that is what he meant. An Independent Foreign Policy is good for us where we can decide where we can trade,purchase something we need in military etc.

Duterte's mouth is so noisy but what he says is not a Foreign policy. Our country agreement with other nations remains the same unless it is reviewed by senate/congress.

[electronicash]

Philippines is a strategic location. USA needs the Philippines in controlling the South China Sea. And it is very important in its Asia Pivot.

Possible Outcome:

USA may gave counter offer to Digong. More investments, aid, loans and military weapons or USA will call the bluff and sanction the Philippines. Cut the Aids and Loans,  can put high tariffs on our exports and remittances. It can transfer the BPO/American companies to other countries. Or they will do the dirty work, like assassination or regime change. Millions of call center agents may lose will their job.

China can also give rights to the fishermen to the contested areas. Joint epxlorations on oil and minerals on the spratlys. Loans, aid and investments may reach up to $21 Billion for Digongs project. We will be part on the new silkroad project of China. We will have access to the 100 million tourists of china.

Philippines can now buy cheaper jet planes and missiles from Russia and China. Russia can now help us on the bataan power plant and to build more nuclear plants to lessen our dependence on oil. Remember USA they did not wan't to sell those high tech weapons to Philippines instead sold its old retired coastguard cutters without its weapons and 2 planes without missiles. They are giving $3.5 billion to Israel, $1 billion to Egypt, $1 billion to Pakistan and to us its close ally $31 million for the military every year. Those old cost guard cutters 2 planes are not enough to counter china. If China invades, Philippines will be invaded in less than 24 hours.

They try to help us but they want Philippines declare war against China - that's what they want. We almost did when Noynoy their dog suddenly starts buying useless weapons from them. and so if we lose because that's sure to happen. US can then again negotiate and invade Philippines once again but may want to look as a HERO. That's BS. but now that China is on our side, they may never have the chance to rule the east.

If they want they can declare war to China.

[Vinz24]

Duterte didn't mean he doesn't want to "be friends" with the USA anymore.

What he means is he wants to stop being too dependent, and being in these agreements that really only benefit the US

Yes,that is what he meant. An Independent Foreign Policy is good for us where we can decide where we can trade,purchase something we need in military etc.

Duterte's mouth is so noisy but what he says is not a Foreign policy. Our country agreement with other nations remains the same unless it is reviewed by senate/congress.

Yeah his decision is for the economy of the PH. I just it will give a positive response for the economy and for the people. Duterte's strategy is very tricky.

[electronicash]

Duterte didn't mean he doesn't want to "be friends" with the USA anymore.

What he means is he wants to stop being too dependent, and being in these agreements that really only benefit the US

Yes,that is what he meant. An Independent Foreign Policy is good for us where we can decide where we can trade,purchase something we need in military etc.

Duterte's mouth is so noisy but what he says is not a Foreign policy. Our country agreement with other nations remains the same unless it is reviewed by senate/congress.

Yeah his decision is for the economy of the PH. I just it will give a positive response for the economy and for the people. Duterte's strategy is very tricky.

US is in panic mode lol.  We Filipinos can now expect US movies were Filipinos are trying to bomb US and failed because that's how they tend to condition the minds of the people.

[countryfree]

Philippines is a strategic location. USA needs the Philippines in controlling the South China Sea. And it is very important in its Asia Pivot.

Possible Outcome:

USA may gave counter offer to Digong. More investments, aid, loans and military weapons or USA will call the bluff and sanction the Philippines. Cut the Aids and Loans,  can put high tariffs on our exports and remittances. It can transfer the BPO/American companies to other countries. Or they will do the dirty work, like assassination or regime change. Millions of call center agents may lose will their job.

China can also give rights to the fishermen to the contested areas. Joint epxlorations on oil and minerals on the spratlys. Loans, aid and investments may reach up to $21 Billion for Digongs project. We will be part on the new silkroad project of China. We will have access to the 100 million tourists of china.

Philippines can now buy cheaper jet planes and missiles from Russia and China. Russia can now help us on the bataan power plant and to build more nuclear plants to lessen our dependence on oil. Remember USA they did not wan't to sell those high tech weapons to Philippines instead sold its old retired coastguard cutters without its weapons and 2 planes without missiles. They are giving $3.5 billion to Israel, $1 billion to Egypt, $1 billion to Pakistan and to us its close ally $31 million for the military every year. Those old cost guard cutters 2 planes are not enough to counter china. If China invades, Philippines will be invaded in less than 24 hours.

They try to help us but they want Philippines declare war against China - that's what they want. We almost did when Noynoy their dog suddenly starts buying useless weapons from them. and so if we lose because that's sure to happen. US can then again negotiate and invade Philippines once again but may want to look as a HERO. That's BS. but now that China is on our side, they may never have the chance to rule the east.

If they want they can declare war to China.

China is not on your side. China is on the side of... China. No Filipino shall think about what China will offer. They shall consider what China will ask in return. There's nothing free with China...

[Sponsoredby15]

Duterte didn't mean he doesn't want to "be friends" with the USA anymore.

What he means is he wants to stop being too dependent, and being in these agreements that really only benefit the US

Yes,that is what he meant. An Independent Foreign Policy is good for us where we can decide where we can trade,purchase something we need in military etc.

Duterte's mouth is so noisy but what he says is not a Foreign policy. Our country agreement with other nations remains the same unless it is reviewed by senate/congress.

His words is his strength and not the pnp and afp. He is a brilliant no one can defeat him when it comes to psy war. But sad to say some of filipinos are crab mentality. They know that man is very kind that is why they getting the information of the weakness of that guy but they failed to see it.

[iCEBREAKER]

Very poor decision if implemented. The US has always respected the Philippines, seeing it as a sovereign country, whereas China sees its neighbors as dwarfs, and doesn't respect them in any way.

More than that.  The USA (once a colony of England) gave (on a silver platter) sovereignty to the Philippines after the Spanish American War.

Then we repeated that performance after the Empire of Japan ignored their sovereignty and proceeded turning the country into New Okinawa.

Now their demagogic authoritarian leader wants to become a vassal of Red China, despite PLA bases being build inside Philippine waters.

The scale of ingratitude here is unfathomable.  Perhaps the Japanese were right, and these savages have no right to, much less capacity for, self-determination.

What happened to Duterte's balls since this happened?  Did he cut them off and present them to Beijing as a token of fealty?

Philippines' Duterte warns China of 'reckoning'
August 24, 2016

The comments on yesterday's Yahoo thread are very informative and many state my position even better than I could myself.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-xi-says-hopes-dutertes-visit-fully-improve-041807637.html

U.S. and the West leaned on Duterte over extrajudicial killing of drug dealers so he goes to China and Russia so he can continue the practice without being criticized.


Duterte just sold out his country to China. Say goodbye to all of your fishing rights. They now belong to China. Watch the inflation rate jump because he now has agreed to buy everything from China. What a little sorry sad little dog. That's about the size of his brain.


The US always helps the Philippines after these yearly typhoons, handing out medical care, food, whatever is needed. I would say it is up to Duterte's newest best buddies, the Chinese, to fill that roll now.
I think they will find that China is not used to helping anyone but themselves.


The US needs to set a new bar when it comes to foreign relations and alliances. If a country can't be a true and reliable partner, then we should let go and send them adrift. The days of countries taking the good that comes with an alliance only to slap us in the face when they think a better opportunity is at hand needs to end. Chine WILL build a military base on Scarborough if the Philippines doesn't quickly develop a spine. Giving up territory in exchange for some railroad lines and other Chinese investment is like the American Indian exchanging land for glass beads. If the Philippines wants to align themselves with two of the most untrustworthy nations of the world, I say adios.


The question: does the USA really need the Philippines. The answer is resoundingly NO. The Filipinos kicked the U.S. out of Subic Bay and Clark airbase 25 years ago, and that was a big deal. Meanwhile the Philippines has been the benefactor of U.S. aid, disaster relief following typhoons, and training in counter terror against Abu Sayyaf. Time now for benign neglect.


Lets stop all aid, stop all importing of goods, pull out our military bases (not really needed there in this day and age anyway) and bolster relations around them. We give these country's billion in aid and purchase of goods, and time and time again they can't wait to #$%$ on us.
I hope we make an example out of them and let them enjoy life under the rule of China.


The only one losing here is the Filipino people...Their bufoonish leader threw them under the bus, groveling at the feet of the savage Chinese..giving up the PI's Sovereignty for a few shekels and telling their largest & most generous ally to get lost. No more aid to the PI, no more military assistance, no more nothing! What did the US get from the PI? NOTHING Not a thing! adios! No more welfare for those fools....


So sad for the many good people of the Philippines. There will be no McArthur to save you this time.

[stiffbud]

Duterte didn't mean he doesn't want to "be friends" with the USA anymore.

What he means is he wants to stop being too dependent, and being in these agreements that really only benefit the US

Yes,that is what he meant. An Independent Foreign Policy is good for us where we can decide where we can trade,purchase something we need in military etc.

Duterte's mouth is so noisy but what he says is not a Foreign policy. Our country agreement with other nations remains the same unless it is reviewed by senate/congress.

His words is his strength and not the pnp and afp. He is a brilliant no one can defeat him when it comes to psy war. But sad to say some of filipinos are crab mentality. They know that man is very kind that is why they getting the information of the weakness of that guy but they failed to see it.

You speak of how most Filipinos have crab mentality but do you realize what could be the effect of what he is currently doing? He's taking thimgs too fastly and instead of arranging things on how it should be by law, he's being too rude against the country who has helped our country longer than you ever even exist. 

[electronicash]

Of all news sites, you believe yahoo news?

US is butthurt  what US can do now is get out of Syria for the country to be independent else fight Russia.
Philippines is too far from US and the reality is that US can't help but if they are too butthurt, they can declare war with China.

[iCEBREAKER]

Of all news sites, you believe yahoo news?

US is butthurt  what US can do now is get out of Syria for the country to be independent else fight Russia.
Philippines is too far from US and the reality is that US can't help but if they are too butthurt, they can declare war with China.

Yes it is remarkably unusual to find such great content in the infamously noisy Yahoo msg boards!   

But you fail to specify which facts and conclusions the Yahoo posters got wrong; you merely shoot the messenger by insinuating they are not trustworthy.

The Philippines wasn't too far from the USA when we liberated it from the Spanish, nor when we again liberated it from the Japanese, nor when we kept it safe from the PLA.

You are butthurt because you feel Entitled to bite the hand that feeds you and kill defenseless, wretched street children because they succumbed to the horrors of Prohibition.

And now for the coup de grace, again courtesy of WrathOfGnon....

#REKT   

[botija]

OMG, who the hell cares. Enough about this guy. Are the majority of users here from the Philippines or something?

[iCEBREAKER]

OMG, who the hell cares. Enough about this guy. Are the majority of users here from the Philippines or something?

The majority of users here depend on the free trade passing through the South China Sea, and have an overwhelming interest in avoiding WW3.

That the practical matter.

The moral matter is that this asshole has escalated Drug Prohibition to the level where he's sicking vigilantes on the most helpless miserable people on Earth, the street children who are often both dealers and addicts of drugs which are (unforgivably) not coffee, alcohol, or tobacco.

Any other questions?  I'm here to help.   

[Sponsoredby15]

Duterte didn't mean he doesn't want to "be friends" with the USA anymore.

What he means is he wants to stop being too dependent, and being in these agreements that really only benefit the US

Yes,that is what he meant. An Independent Foreign Policy is good for us where we can decide where we can trade,purchase something we need in military etc.

Duterte's mouth is so noisy but what he says is not a Foreign policy. Our country agreement with other nations remains the same unless it is reviewed by senate/congress.

His words is his strength and not the pnp and afp. He is a brilliant no one can defeat him when it comes to psy war. But sad to say some of filipinos are crab mentality. They know that man is very kind that is why they getting the information of the weakness of that guy but they failed to see it.

You speak of how most Filipinos have crab mentality but do you realize what could be the effect of what he is currently doing? He's taking thimgs too fastly and instead of arranging things on how it should be by law, he's being too rude against the country who has helped our country longer than you ever even exist.  

No just like he said do not want to others what you do not want unto you. The western is the one who is started the fire so what do you think is the best way to defend the president. If the western is totally for a good intense then they will understand. You know in this world money cannot buy dignity so he is pursuing independent foreign policy for filipino people because he know some of filipinos use US or Uncle Sam for their own self interest. Many people cannot see that.

[electronicash]

OMG, who the hell cares. Enough about this guy. Are the majority of users here from the Philippines or something?

The majority of users here depend on the free trade passing through the South China Sea, and have an overwhelming interest in avoiding WW3.

That the practical matter.

The moral matter is that this asshole has escalated Drug Prohibition to the level where he's sicking vigilantes on the most helpless miserable people on Earth, the street children who are often both dealers and addicts of drugs which are (unforgivably) not coffee, alcohol, or tobacco.

Any other questions?  I'm here to help.   

yeah fair enough right? US is raping us while thy try to feed. Fair?
What do US care about the killings here. Mind what US currently murdering in Syria. And those you murder in black cities.

[clickerz]

I think Pres. Duterte made it clear already. It is teh Inependent Foriegn Policy which he is pushing. Look at India, last week I think they made a deal with Russia. I mean, I like this foreign policy thing  where we can have a freedom whom to transact with for the betterment of our country. We dont need to go war as possible, Oh BTW Duterte is NOT severing ties with US

Sometimes, its better to digest whats Duterte is saying, to comprehend the word he is using. Duterte upgraded the way we think  

[Sponsoredby15]

I think Pres. Duterte made it clear already. It is teh Inependent Foriegn Policy which he is pushing. Look at India, last week I think they made a deal with Russia. I mean, I like this foreign policy thing  where we can have a freedom whom to transact with for the betterment of our country. We dont need to go war as possible, Oh BTW Duterte is NOT severing ties with US

Sometimes, its better to digest whats Duterte is saying, to comprehend the word he is using. Duterte upgraded the way we think  

Ha ha. He makes his word trending all over the world. Our president is the best leader of the world. He play of 4 big countries in the world US, EU, China and Russia. So much proud of our President. One day he will be declared as the hero of the world because of his diplomatic approach against big leaders. Haters did not understand it and did not see it.

[iCEBREAKER]

OMG, who the hell cares. Enough about this guy. Are the majority of users here from the Philippines or something?

The majority of users here depend on the free trade passing through the South China Sea, and have an overwhelming interest in avoiding WW3.

That the practical matter.

The moral matter is that this asshole has escalated Drug Prohibition to the level where he's sicking vigilantes on the most helpless miserable people on Earth, the street children who are often both dealers and addicts of drugs which are (unforgivably) not coffee, alcohol, or tobacco.

Any other questions?  I'm here to help.   

yeah fair enough right? US is raping us while thy try to feed. Fair?
What do US care about the killings here. Mind what US currently murdering in Syria. And those you murder in black cities.

Yet another tiresome, deflective accusation of hypocrisy.  It's like you are incapable of understanding tu quoque is a logical fallacy.   

The US has paid for in blood and treasure, then given .ph its sovereignty twice.  First in 1935 (Commonwealth) and again in 1946 (Treaty of Manila).

Your appeal to emotion ("raping us" "murder in black cities") has no power here, because we are not superstitious ignorant savages like the supporters of Duterte.

But if you want to go there, the facts speak for themselves.

February 1945: The Rape of Manila
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/99054/february-1945-the-rape-of-manila

To this day, much is heard of the Rape of Nanking when the rampaging Japanese Imperial Army killed 300,000 from 1937 to 1938, and raped 20,000 women in that Chinese capital.

Pitifully few, though, in the Philippines and even fewer elsewhere, know that in Manila, in February 1945, World War II at its agonizing climax brought forth 100,000 burned, bayoneted, bombed, shelled and shrapneled dead in the span of 28 days.  Unborn babies ripped from their mothers’ wombs provided sport: thrown up in the air and caught, impaled on bayonet tips.

With rape on the streets and everywhere else, the Bayview Hotel became Manila’s rape center.  After the dirty deed was done, nipples were sliced off, and bodies bayoneted open from the neck down.

William Manchester in his book “American Caesar,” wrote that “Once Rear Adm. Sanji Iwabuchi had decided to defend Manila, the atrocities began, and the longer the battle raged,  the more the Japanese command structure deteriorated, until the uniforms of Nipponese sailors and marines were saturated with Filipino blood.

“The devastation of Manila was one of the great tragedies of World War II.  Seventy percent of the utilities, 72 percent of the factories, 80 percent of the southern residential district, and 100 percent of the business district were razed…Hospitals were set afire after their patients had been strapped to their beds.  The corpses of males were mutilated, females of all ages were raped before they were slain, and babies’ eyeballs gouged out and smeared on walls like jelly.”

Annually in February, a day is set aside to remember at the Memorare monument in Intramuros.

Filipinas raped by Japanese WWII troops seek compensation
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2016/1/6/filipino-women-raped-by-japanese-wwii-troops-seek-compensation.html

A group of elderly Filipinas raped by Japanese troops during World War II called for compensation from Japan on Wednesday, after Tokyo’s pledge of $8.3 million for South Korean women forced into Japanese military-run brothels during the war.

Isabelita Vinuya, 84, the president of Malaya Lolas — a group of Filipinas abducted and raped by Japanese troops in their village — urged the Philippine government to support their demand for justice from Japan.

[electronicash]

OMG, who the hell cares. Enough about this guy. Are the majority of users here from the Philippines or something?

The majority of users here depend on the free trade passing through the South China Sea, and have an overwhelming interest in avoiding WW3.

That the practical matter.

The moral matter is that this asshole has escalated Drug Prohibition to the level where he's sicking vigilantes on the most helpless miserable people on Earth, the street children who are often both dealers and addicts of drugs which are (unforgivably) not coffee, alcohol, or tobacco.

Any other questions?  I'm here to help.   

yeah fair enough right? US is raping us while thy try to feed. Fair?
What do US care about the killings here. Mind what US currently murdering in Syria. And those you murder in black cities.

Yet another tiresome, deflective accusation of hypocrisy.  It's like you are incapable of understanding tu quoque is a logical fallacy.   

The US has paid for in blood and treasure, then given .ph its sovereignty twice.  First in 1935 (Commonwealth) and again in 1946 (Treaty of Manila).

Your appeal to emotion ("raping us" "murder in black cities") has no power here, because we are not superstitious ignorant savages like the supporters of Duterte.

But if you want to go there, the facts speak for themselves.

February 1945: The Rape of Manila
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/99054/february-1945-the-rape-of-manila

To this day, much is heard of the Rape of Nanking when the rampaging Japanese Imperial Army killed 300,000 from 1937 to 1938, and raped 20,000 women in that Chinese capital.

Pitifully few, though, in the Philippines and even fewer elsewhere, know that in Manila, in February 1945, World War II at its agonizing climax brought forth 100,000 burned, bayoneted, bombed, shelled and shrapneled dead in the span of 28 days.  Unborn babies ripped from their mothers’ wombs provided sport: thrown up in the air and caught, impaled on bayonet tips.

With rape on the streets and everywhere else, the Bayview Hotel became Manila’s rape center.  After the dirty deed was done, nipples were sliced off, and bodies bayoneted open from the neck down.

William Manchester in his book “American Caesar,” wrote that “Once Rear Adm. Sanji Iwabuchi had decided to defend Manila, the atrocities began, and the longer the battle raged,  the more the Japanese command structure deteriorated, until the uniforms of Nipponese sailors and marines were saturated with Filipino blood.

“The devastation of Manila was one of the great tragedies of World War II.  Seventy percent of the utilities, 72 percent of the factories, 80 percent of the southern residential district, and 100 percent of the business district were razed…Hospitals were set afire after their patients had been strapped to their beds.  The corpses of males were mutilated, females of all ages were raped before they were slain, and babies’ eyeballs gouged out and smeared on walls like jelly.”

Annually in February, a day is set aside to remember at the Memorare monument in Intramuros.

Filipinas raped by Japanese WWII troops seek compensation
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2016/1/6/filipino-women-raped-by-japanese-wwii-troops-seek-compensation.html

A group of elderly Filipinas raped by Japanese troops during World War II called for compensation from Japan on Wednesday, after Tokyo’s pledge of $8.3 million for South Korean women forced into Japanese military-run brothels during the war.

Isabelita Vinuya, 84, the president of Malaya Lolas — a group of Filipinas abducted and raped by Japanese troops in their village — urged the Philippine government to support their demand for justice from Japan.

Yeah its also a tiresome accusation to our president.
Accusations and accusations however true that is, we call it quits now.

We now have all the ooportunities with China, russia and possibly the rest like japan. We can take US out of the picture. Go on with your life now. Theres more ahead of you.

[iCEBREAKER]

Yeah its also a tiresome accusation to our president.
Accusations and accusations however true that is, we call it quits now.

We now have all the ooportunities with China, russia and possibly the rest like japan. We can take US out of the picture. Go on with your life now. Theres more ahead of you.

Under Duterte, the Philippines has the opportunity to be Red China's lap dog at best, or reduced to Lebensraum at worst.

You can't take the USA out of the picture.  As soon as there is another disaster, we will again demonstrate our indispensability.

Is Duterte going to remove the PLA from Scarborough Shoal himself, using only the sheer power of his giant ego?   

Sorry, but machismo alone will not stop Red China from continuing to annex Filipino territory.

Duterte is a really tough guy when he's hunting down hapless street children, but is a paper tiger when it comes to stopping the PLA Navy from having its way with their Nine Dash Line.

I can't believe you are so gullible as to believe the PLA will stop their expansion at Scarborough Shoal.  Didn't you see what they did in Tibet?