Why the hell is it poloniex doesn't add waves?

[Emperor of Man]

Greetings everyone.  

As many of you agree waves platform is one of the biggest cryptocurrency projects right now. Its ICO was a huge success and collected 30,000 BTCs (around $22 M with the current BTC price), and when its features are implemented there's potential for amazing price pumps.

After the end of ICO bittrex and a few other exchanges added waves soon and have since been trading it. What's strange, is that poloniex doesn't list waves, despite countless requests from the waves community and their users. Many people thought they would do it when waves releases full nodes, but the nodes have been released recently, and still no poloniex! 

Sasha Ivanov, waves platform CEO, has repeatedly been asked about this, and his answer (in short) was that both waves team and polo guys wanted to list waves there, and the devs gave them whatever they gave bittrex, but they suddenly decided not to list waves and they never explained why, so we don't know what they are thinking.

So, really, what can it be? As always, the community came up with some great conspiracy theories.  

- The evil poloniex theory:
Poloniex doesn't want to add waves, because it's not to their benefit. The reason? Some say they ask for %5 of available supply from every coin they list, so that they can manipulate markets, and waves doesn't accept this. Others say they are afraid of the waves platform decentralized exchange feature, which, if delivers properly, makes exchanges like polo obsolete.

- The evil bittrex theory:
Bittrex asks for exclusive rights to list waves, and they have some secret deal with the devs, not to list it on polo. IMHO, although waves has been the top trading crypto in bittrex most of the time, but this doesn't make sense because there are other exchanges that list waves, and it's not exclusive to trex.

- The evil Sasha theory:
The dev team don't want polo to add their crypto, for price manipulation purposes or something, and they have deals behind the curtain to add it when the timing is right. Also, there's a more stupid version of this conspiracy theory, which says polo doesn't add waves because Sasha was rude to polo, and they are punishing him (lol).




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IMHO it's all about poloniex! There's definitely something wrong with what they are doing! What the hell? You're the exchange with the most trade volume, you don't add one of the most well-known cryptocurrencies in spite of a thousand add requests, and you don't even care enough to explain why? Doesn't the community at least deserve a f***ing explanation of some sort? Aren't we the people who are giving you the highest trade volume? Can't we just stop that if we sense deceit in your actions?

All in all, what's your opinion guys?

[cryptohunter]

Don't worry it will surely be added soon and we can all exit with the first big pump. Then get in later after the 50% or greater drop.
The longer it stays at trex the better hope of bigger dips so more profit on the polo listing. Be patient.

[slap]

On 25th of April someone reported me for asking this in the Waves ann thread;

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Will this somehow compete with etherex?

Was it a dumb question? Fine, no need to report, just say its dumb.
Was it a painful question? Idk...

I can not imagine polo wants to miss out on fees with Waves.
Full nodes just recently out, polo might want to examine it thouroughly. Mods in trollbox can and will not answer any questions on the adding matter.

I would like to see waves on polo, cause polo is nr1 trading spot for me, I do nt want to use another exchange.

[shanem]

Poloniex don't really add coins unless they expect great volume coming in soon. Waves have been in bittrex for quite some time. It is unlikely Poloniex will add an old coin unless there is something big happening. We need to wait for a few months when Poloniex volume has dried up before they will add a new coin to boost their volume again.

[NutMasterTardd]

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I feel there are many more variables to the current Waves situation. Potentially even insider trading as the Waves devs do hold the most Waves, they have the most to gain by making the platform successful. I do have a strange feeling they actually know what they are doing..

I always side with the money.

[Emperor of Man]

Poloniex don't really add coins unless they expect great volume coming in soon. Waves have been in bittrex for quite some time. It is unlikely Poloniex will add an old coin unless there is something big happening. We need to wait for a few months when Poloniex volume has dried up before they will add a new coin to boost their volume again.

If volume is what they are looking for, waves have had big developments before, and will have more features coming soon, but honestly I doubt that's the problem because they have many cryptos listed with daily volumes of less than 1 BTC, and many of those have been like that since their listing.

Waves devs do hold the most Waves

Any source for this?

They ran a big successful ICO, and as far as I know waves distribution is okay. Most of it is being held by the community, and not so many weak hands or whales exist.

[NutMasterTardd]

Poloniex don't really add coins unless they expect great volume coming in soon. Waves have been in bittrex for quite some time. It is unlikely Poloniex will add an old coin unless there is something big happening. We need to wait for a few months when Poloniex volume has dried up before they will add a new coin to boost their volume again.

If volume is what they are looking for, waves have had big developments before, and will have more features coming soon, but honestly I doubt that's the problem because they have many cryptos listed with daily volumes of less than 1 BTC, and many of those have been like that since their listing.

Waves devs do hold the most Waves

Any source for this?

They ran a big successful ICO, and as far as I know waves distribution is okay. Most of it is being held by the community, and not so many weak hands or whales exist.

I meant as one holder, they have the first (or second to bittrex?) highest amount of Waves. I believe from when they put buy walls for investors to exit a few months ago, check distribution on Bittrex.

[yelllowsin]

Well, only Poloniex could tell you why, anything else is just theories.

[Mvaporis1961]

You can get a specific answer if you contact their support on their website. Maybe their is a reason behind for that issue. Also, why not try to send a request or suggestion to poloniex that is related for that coin or try to ask for communities help of waves maybe they can help you to solve that problem.

[Febo]

I think Poloniex simply decided that they will nto add that many coins as they did add a year ago.  I am sure there are half coins on Poloniex that less deserve be there as waves. But they were added in times when Poloniex needed volume to survive. Now they are way more picky. Of Course is way harder to enter Poloniex then to stay on Poloniex. But we still see coins being kicked off from time to time.  I think in last half year more coins was deleted then listed. and this might actually continue.


That OPs first suspicion about 5% is totally impossible for fair launch coins. Where would anyone get 5% of coins to just give someone? Buy on Bittrex?

[weryo]

Poloniex still lists Sasha's defunct asset MMNXT.
Maybe they can replace that one with Waves.

[Alternative]

Wel,, your post is really funny, and those evile theories too . For me, it hasn't been added because they're taking Waves from high and saying its worthless.

[Robertqueen2]

Even if Poloniex haven't added Waves, I think there is a chance they will add it later, Poloniex choose the right time to add the coin they want to add, ICONOMI has a great community and till now they haven't added it.

[housebtc]

I don't think you can categorically say Poloniex decided to list Waves, though the behaviour of Sasha at times can be annoying especially his action when Poloniex listed ETC. I think Poloniex is trying to tighten up their security and has raised bar quite high to enter their platform (have seen Waves get 1000BTC daily volume on Bittrex? No, I've not). Projects like ICONOMI, Antshares, Singularity will also love to be listed on Poloniex and are all good projects too. so what conspiracy theory is preventing them from being listed on Polo.

[xsentus]

many craps coin listed on poloniex.. so there is no reason about high volume or not..

[TaunSew]

It always comes back to first impressions and networking.  Poloniex added XEM at their launch and kept them listed, even though XEM's volume dipped below $1000 for the longest time.

Waves obviously is not liked by the people who run Poloniex and thus you'll never see it get added. 

[European Central Bank]

Poloniex don't really add coins unless they expect great volume coming in soon.

you could put cryptographically proven photo tokens of your uncle's ass on poloniex and it's gonna be pumped. no ones there cares what any of the coins on there actually do or stand for. volume would arrive when they got bored of all the other junk. i don't think that's a compelling reason why they're not putting it on there.

[bbc.reporter]

The primary reason I heard was that the Poloniex team made a security audit of the Waves code and it did not pass the said audit. Also there some people who said that it was also because the Waves platform does not even have their full nodes online yet and have not declared a date when they will be online. I would stay away from Waves for now because using the Scorex code base might have been the wrong decision from the start. According to Charles Hoskinson, Scorex was meant for academic research and not for production use.

[JeffBrad12]

many craps coin listed on poloniex.. so there is no reason about high volume or not..

Let me know about the crap coin like your said, I strongly agree if Z was including in there.   

[hubballi]

It is true that Poloniex exchange is very arrogant and they only add coins which comes under their terms and conditions which are fair or not , the same they have also not listed ICONOMI coins. Even if the users of poloniex exchange ask them they dont add it