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[gevp]

But your bet was lost

No, it wasn't.
According to cell number 115 look at 116th number in round data. It's 4, not 0.
Or watch second video in this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036622.0

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[LuckyLuke1]

I dont understand your problem you show bet with Cell Number:115 and 115 number in round data is 0 so why you talk about 116 cell number?


https://web.archive.org/web/20170719192102/https://luckygames.io/bet/2077464868/

https://prnt.sc/g6q3cl

1.        0
2.        3
3.        0
4.        4
5.        0
6.        1.4
7.        1.8
8.        0
9.        0
10.      2
11.      1.3
12.      2
13.      0
14.      5
15.      1.6
16.      2
17.      0
18.      0
19.      0
20.      1.8
21.      0
22.      0
23.      1.6
24.      1.6,
25.      0
26.      0
27.      1.1
28.      0
29.      2
30.      0
31.      0
32.      1.2
33.      0
34.      0
35.      0
36.      1.5
37.      1.6
38.      0
39.      1.3
40.      0
41.      1.1
42.      3
43.      0
44.      0
45.      0
46.      0
47.      1.4
48.      0
49.      1.1
50.      1.2
51.      1.2
52.      0
53.      1.5
54.      0
55.      0
56.      3
57.      1.5,
58.      0
59.      0
60.      1.4
61.      1.5
62.      1.5
63.      1.2
64.      0
65.      3
66.      1.6
67.      1.2
68.      0
69.      1.2
70.      0
71.      0
72.      0
73.      0
74.      3
75.      0
76.      1.6
77.      0
78.      0
79.      0
80.      1.1
81.      0
82.      0
83.      1.3
84.      0
85.      1.8
86.      1.5
87.      1.3
88.      1.3
89.      0
90.      1.6
91.      0
92.      5
93.      4
94.      1.8
95.      0
96.      1.8
97.      0
98.      0
99.      1.3
100.    0
101.    0
102.    5
103.    3
104.    0
105.    2
106.    1.2
107.    0
108.    4
109.    1.5
110.    0
111.    1.4
112.    0
113.    0
114.    0
115.    0
116.    4
117.    1.3
118.    0
119.    1.1
120.    1.2
121.    1.1
122.    1.8
123.    0
124.    0
125.    1.6
126.    1.4
127.    0
128.    0
129.    0
130.    1.3
131.    5
132.    0
133.    0
134.    1.5
135.    0
136.    0
137.    3
138.    1.4
139.    1.8
140.    4
141.    0
142.    1.8
143.    1.4
144.    1.4
145.    0
146.    0
147.    1.1
148.    0
149.    0
150.    0
151.    1.1
152.    0
153.    5
154.    0
155.    0
157.    0

I see Admin already answered : "Sometimes, the javascript hasn't been loading the cells of the new round and the system continued opening new cells from the old field. This issue has been fixed in the last update." and you can again check your round date it was 0 no 4

[gevp]

No, numbers of cells starts from 0, not 1. So

0: 0
1: 3
2: 0

114.    0
115.    4
116.    1.3

Here is first cell on board, but it's number is 0.
https://luckygames.io/bet/3072955781/
Second cell, number is 1.
https://luckygames.io/bet/3072956488/

[Amit125033]

i deposit 51000 dogecoin transaction is confirm but i can,t recive dogecoin. wallet is showing 3 hour delay. transaction details -   be633e01741c5bf357cefdf7f2945af22df6b1a783e2e7dd0ee36a93e513798e   address is
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[jpcfan]

No, numbers of cells starts from 0, not 1. So

0: 0
1: 3
2: 0

114.    0
115.    4
116.    1.3

Here is first cell on board, but it's number is 0.
https://luckygames.io/bet/3072955781/
Second cell, number is 1.
https://luckygames.io/bet/3072956488/

i made a post in your thread.


i know everyone in crypto gambling.. got some info owner is suppose to respond today about this.



i would like to hear form him too.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420



i'm showed dooglus the video. dooglus is the most trusted guy in crypto gambling. he owns just-dice.com i;m a mod there

he said video is very convincing. when dooglus makes a comment like that. i take it 100% serious. dooglus is the smartest guy i ever met.

he knows more about provably fair then anyone in crypto


owner has to clear this up soon. i'm sending people who trust me to lucky games.

from what i have seen from your post. you are fair and give great details on whats happening.
alot of people at bitcointalk always accuse of sites cheating.


i ignore all of them. but then i saw your posts. and i have to say you are 100 % correct on info you provided.

i'm always fair with both sides , and now is time for owner to come here and give his side of the story.


saying its a bug it's fixed won't cut it. we need details

[dooglus]

i would like to hear form him too.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420

i'm showed dooglus the video. dooglus is the most trusted guy in crypto gambling. he owns just-dice.com i;m a mod there

From watching the video it looks like there's something suspicious going on. I've never been to luckygames before so I don't know how the games work, but it's pretty clear that when the bet size increases some of the winning cells don't pay out even though the provably fair data says they should.

I don't like commenting on gambling sites any more. If I make positive comments people think I'm shilling for them, and if I criticize them then people think I'm only doing it to attack the competition. So I can't win either way. A bit like players at luckygames! j/k

[TheWinnerBro]

Site Is in Maintenance Waititng for New Updates

[gevp]

Thanks, guys. As u can see, there is no trust to uknown newbie.
Looks like owner is exiting from "business" right now.
https://blockchain.info/address/1HjSEm71Kqt31Va9JhJk2SvztwotZkQJFN

[luckygames]

Hi guys,

I need to share something with you.

My name is Mark, well known as p1AYER, 28 years old and I'm Ukrainian, currently living in Thailand.
From the age of 15, an amateur of the web development and servers administration.
I'm managing Luckygames with 4 servers and 30 cryptocurrencies by myself.
The design, program code, games and all the features you may saw at Luckygames have been written by myself.
I don't trust people too, that's why I never used to pay for a staff.

There were up to 10 huge attacks on Luckygames, that cost over 10 BTC for me. Despite this, Luckygames is still alive and will continue serving its players in the future.
And I'm not even upset, because it is ton of experience which I bought for just 10 BTC. I have 2 more businesses connecting to the crypto world, which allows me to keep Luckygames, even if it's not profitable.

Cells game is my favourite one on Luckygames. Before launching it, I didn't even thought that it could be easily cheated.
There were 156 cells available and 100 opened cells needed till the next round.
The player GeVP wrote a simple bot, that was opening cells using small bet amount (10 satoshis).
Once the bot founds, that the number of opened cells with zero multiplier was significantly higher than with 1.1+ multipliers, it started to place huge bets 0.01 BTC etc.
Therefore, the winning chance has been increased up to 70-90%. Whether it's attractive? - sure.
Take a look at his deposits and withdrawals history.

ID       TYPE         DATE               COIN     STATUS     TRANSACTION ID                                                     AMOUNT
497207   Withdrawal   2017-07-17 21:16   Bitcoin   Processed   b5babc2a4565a7b71a7fb1f4025074322f322aad7e2770c7241076fe964aa748   0.30000000 BTC
475931   Withdrawal   2017-07-14 18:03   Bitcoin   Processed   859bc983ddbc01a36a97aa418c750073c9888a75ebaff54b2e767a5eee86720f   0.10050000 BTC
469451   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 21:11   Bitcoin   Processed   4d87a603af9f2da9be0ce7a5cc1e7c8ce6494d77564cb128cde1a4ccb1f506ce   0.09500000 BTC
469318   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 20:48   Bitcoin   Processed   850db4d772ec7b8939e8ea4b4012ab7425a3e9447cb073485b4cc3e40db11cb9   0.09000000 BTC
468459   Withdrawal   2017-07-13 17:22   Bitcoin   Processed   571cc0914367e931097f33ea2434024926fcf31b1cc44e3036a0b30058711d35   0.00745635 BTC
444463   Deposit       2017-07-10 20:06   Bitcoin   Processed   5272ca214fb7918d1d3bf923ded634ff55c70214048dbebb5deccd2a168b5c32   0.15496024 BTC
431408   Withdrawal   2017-07-09 16:40   Bitcoin   Processed   c42db860b096c30aaff19314925133c21efc2dad3596deb045402800a01c32ab   0.25000000 BTC
317476   Withdrawal   2017-06-27 20:56   Bitcoin   Processed   fa58870b37613433fd9f22e2820a7ef8d76da772f6d33771731fdcb0911d5f2d   0.16303478 BTC
316800   Withdrawal   2017-06-27 18:57   Bitcoin   Processed   bd86a24a13d3af5ac6f07f6eb11c4855b7d565b2955ecba51d31dee7197f26ff   0.23000000 BTC
296906   Withdrawal   2017-06-25 08:34   Bitcoin   Processed   4971e06b81cafe8cdf9d2f9e30aae49331023e72064fd2a80ed3cc0a46e6d957   0.10512291 BTC
296835   Withdrawal   2017-06-25 08:12   Bitcoin   Processed   4f67bc9492c909a831209346eb870852327791db7d8e152c6ae42c2530d5da84   0.01500000 BTC
288505   Deposit       2017-06-24 11:13   Bitcoin   Processed   e4afb8fa24ca181dd8ace4938d38aa351a69cd5ece63d97fb379f3c6d53428d6   0.02877270 BTC

As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.
I know, that was a wrong way. I hope, that he would take the profit and won't play there, before I made the new update including fixes.
Unfortunately he continued playing, tried to cheat the website once again using accounts:
GeVP - 0.78027867 BTC profit
GeVPq - 0.35623531 BTC profit
GeVPfair - 0.00231441 BTC profit
GeVP3 - 0.03462817 BTC profit
GeVP2 - 0.06195488 BTC porift

Finally, he made 1.2354144 BTC profit, started from 0.02877270 BTC.

P.S. Luckygames is my favourite website, it's like a hobby. I'm spending a lot of free time developing the website to keep it going well. And I will not let someone to cheat on it.

Sincerely,
Mark.

[cwil]

What you describe is not cheating, it's advantage gambling.  This is no different than counting cards in blackjack.  A much better solution would have been to lock in a player's bet amount for the duration of a round, rather than altering the game to cheat players. 

[LuckyLuke1]

Good job Mark !

[marlboroza]

But your bet was lost

No, it wasn't.
According to cell number 115 look at 116th number in round data. It's 4, not 0.
Or watch second video in this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036622.0

I watched first video. It clearly shows cheating around 4th minute.
Provably fair doesn't match results from cells.
What Mark done is wrong, cheating users because he thinks someone cheated on him is wrong.

[gevp]

First of all, thank to jpcfan and dooglus for the interest of the community and owner to my topic. It resulted in lightning-fast action.

I need to share something with you.

I think it was better to do it immediately, and not after 3 weeks.

My name is GeVP, i am some years old, from somewhere on Earth.
I like gambling, namely:
to calculate house edges,
to check fairness,
multiplayer games.

Cells game is my favourite one on Luckygames. Before launching it, I didn't even thought that it could be easily cheated.
There were 156 cells available and 100 opened cells needed till the next round.
The player GeVP wrote a simple bot, that was opening cells using small bet amount (10 satoshis).
Once the bot founds, that the number of opened cells with zero multiplier was significantly higher than with 1.1+ multipliers, it started to place huge bets 0.01 BTC etc.
Therefore, the winning chance has been increased up to 70-90%. Whether it's attractive? - sure.

Confirm. Approximate tactic. Attractive. Profit.
Very nicely to share with all your players profit strategy. Do you understand what will happen to your casino now?

Finally, he made 1.2354144 BTC profit, started from 0.02877270 BTC.

Confirm. As i said before, i am still in profit, despite owner's cheating

As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.

Key point. I did not cheat. I am not an attacker. I did not use any vulnerabilities or something like that. I played in the casino by the rules of the casino.
Did I used a bot? Yes. Whether it was against the rules? At that time, no.
Is bot's unsing normal in gambling? Yes. And your built-in bots in "Dices" and "Balls" confirms this position.
Then, why am I "cheater"? The only thing is I'm a profitable player. So, any profitable player is a cheater?
And now

And I will not let someone to cheat on it.

Read this like "I will not let someone to win on it."

As he cheated on the website, the fast decision was to cheat on him.
I know, that was a wrong way. I hope, that he would take the profit and won't play there, before I made the new update including fixes.

So, where is information about that "fixes"? And about your previous "fixes"?
Except me, there was only one bot. This is a "dinamo". He played martingale. All the others players played without tactics and bots.
So why did you cheat them too, not just me?
In general, does not seem to repent.

Cells game is my favourite one on Luckygames. Before launching it, I didn't even thought that it could be easily cheated.

Cpaзy жe пocлe зaпycкa тeбя пpeдyпpeдили, чтo игpoк мoжeт пoлyчить пpeимyщecтвo. A ты зaбил. Bcё, чтo тeбe нaдo cдeлaть - этo cдeлaть paзмep cтaвки фикcиpoвaнным, и cпoкoйнo пoлyчaть cвoи 0,5 или 2%.
B итoгe имeeм.
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[LuckyLuke1]

I know many casinos scam people.. Its very difficult for proof it.. But Mark respect for that what you said here.. This site is still the best site in network keep it up! You admit it Few people have the courage for that.. You are a sincere and kindness person plus for you and your project

[jpcfan]

this is a tough call. been thinki ng about it for an hour.


first thing first. take the cell game off the site NOW.


GeVP can figure out how to beat the game i'm sure 200-300 other's can soon.
I looked at how many people are playing right now

cells:4  
dice:567

GeVP if i was doing what you were doing and i found a way to beat the game because the game is flawed



i wouldn't start betting and try to clean out the sites bankrolll like you did


i would go to owner, show him the flaw so the site wont go broke. then i would ask for 1btc for my troubles\


GeVP you were going to clean him out and that is shady. so owner did do a shady thing. but you did it first



this is the best dice site ever seen. i want it to stay here and help it grow. owner made a mistake


BAC let's work on this and get the owner on the right track. we both know how big LG can get.



GeVP. i wonder how many other sites you have drained . i bet more than 1

I thought you were a whale who deposited 1-10BTC and you started to notice you were losing all your monrey.

but thats the the truth. you came there with 0.028btc and your plan was to keep playing till till site had 0 funds left

[luckygames]

Thanks for your reply, gevp.

Let me translate your last sentence, that everyone can understand it. It is the main sentence everyone should read.

Immediately after the launch, I warned you, that a player can gain an advantage in Cells games, but you ignored. All you need is to make a fixed bet amount and easily get your 0.5 or 2%.
Summarizing. You have created a cool and convenient website. Created an original multiplayer game. And then you just started scamming players. And lost the trust of your website for nothing.

I've just remembered. You are the one, who wanted to work in the Luckygames team. I said, that would think about it and never replied.
I can confirm that you've sent me a report about Cells game. You wrote that players could have an advantage of it.
I didn't do anything, because I've been finding the best solution to achieve the balance between player's and the website's advantage.
Finally you used this advantage for your purpose and made a good profit.

You are offering to fix the bet amount, okay, but it may affect the high rollers or regular players as well.
Better to remove the game, because no one will play. But I love it, so I want to find a better solution.

The solution I found, was included to the update on July 19 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1696880.msg20233965#msg20233965).

House Edge was increased up to 2%
Using the bots or clickers in the game Cells may lead to suspension and losing the profit.
Number of available cells was increased to 195. Number of opened cells has been decreased to 78.

Anyway it's not the final solution, because in some case the player can handle it.

PS: russians is so russian

[cwil]

GeVP if i was doing what you were doing and i found a way to beat the game because the game is flawed
i wouldn't start betting and try to clean out the sites bankrolll like you did

Would you stop playing a game with a progressive jackpot once it went +EV too?  Do you consider all of those people who only play the lottery when it's worth hundreds of millions as cheaters?  Representing an advantage player as "shady" is ridiculous.  They have always been a part of the gaming community, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon.  If there is a way to play a game in which the advantage is in the players' favor, that is a problem with the game, not the player.

[gevp]

GeVP if i was doing what you were doing and i found a way to beat the game because the game is flawed

i wouldn't start betting and try to clean out the sites bankrolll like you did

i would go to owner, show him the flaw so the site wont go broke. then i would ask for 1btc for my troubles\

It would your own choice. You may ask for 0.1 btc. You may ask for 10 btc. You may ask for 100 btc. It does not matter.
My last reward is about 0.001 BTC. I could beat casino. In most cases you will not get anything at all.

Join our BRAND NEW Multiplayer game Cells! Win up to 5 times of your bet! Try your luck)

1. One pick per user per grid?( If not then we can easily take advantage of this using martingale )

How much did absy get? OP simply ignored the warning. What do you think, how much would absy get if OP had not ignore?

GeVP you were going to clean him out and that is shady. so owner did do a shady thing. but you did it first

An hour. I see that you are completely at the casino side. OK. But let's clarify your position. We both know what house edge is.
Player is going to clean casino using house edge - it's a shady thing
Casino is going to clean players using house edge and doing that - it's not a shady thing
Is that your position?

this is the best dice site ever seen. i want it to stay here and help it grow. owner made a mistake

"Best dice site ever" shows incorrect chance of win on dices. Of course, it shows more than real win chance. Still best?

[jpcfan]

GeVP if i was doing what you were doing and i found a way to beat the game because the game is flawed

i wouldn't start betting and try to clean out the sites bankrolll like you did

i would go to owner, show him the flaw so the site wont go broke. then i would ask for 1btc for my troubles\

It would your own choice. You may ask for 0.1 btc. You may ask for 10 btc. You may ask for 100 btc. It does not matter.
My last reward is about 0.001 BTC. I could beat casino. In most cases you will not get anything at all.

Join our BRAND NEW Multiplayer game Cells! Win up to 5 times of your bet! Try your luck)

1. One pick per user per grid?( If not then we can easily take advantage of this using martingale )

How much did absy get? OP simply ignored the warning. What do you think, how much would absy get if OP had not ignore?

GeVP you were going to clean him out and that is shady. so owner did do a shady thing. but you did it first

An hour. I see that you are completely at the casino side. OK. But let's clarify your position. We both know what house edge is.
Player is going to clean casino using house edge - it's a shady thing
Casino is going to clean players using house edge and doing that - it's not a shady thing
Is that your position?

this is the best dice site ever seen. i want it to stay here and help it grow. owner made a mistake

"Best dice site ever" shows incorrect chance of win on dices. Of course, it shows more than real win chance. Still best?

your whole complaint was you wagered 184btc there.and from that owner scammed you 4btc of your winnings,


you misled us. you started with 0.028btc and ended up with 1.23btc.

 from reading what you posted. i assume you were making 1btc deposits and the site was stealing your money.


your mad cuz you couldn't get all his btc(which now we know you  had a beef with prior to this)


your right LG isn't #1 dice site. just-dice.com is

[gevp]

Let me translate your last sentence, that everyone can understand it. It is the main sentence everyone should read.

Immediately after the launch, I warned you, that a player can gain an advantage in Cells games, but you ignored. All you need is to make a fixed bet amount and easily get your 0.5 or 2%.
Summarizing. You have created a cool and convenient website. Created an original multiplayer game. And then you just started scamming players. And lost the trust of your website for nothing.

Except "I warned you". Not me.

I didn't do anything, because I've been finding the best solution to achieve the balance between player's and the website's advantage.
Finally you used this advantage for your purpose and made a good profit.

You are offering to fix the bet amount, okay, but it may affect the high rollers or regular players as well.
Better to remove the game, because no one will play. But I love it, so I want to find a better solution.

The solution I found, was included to the update on July 19 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1696880.msg20233965#msg20233965).

House Edge was increased up to 2%
Using the bots or clickers in the game Cells may lead to suspension and losing the profit.
Number of available cells was increased to 195. Number of opened cells has been decreased to 78.

Anyway it's not the final solution, because in some case the player can handle it.

There are no better or worse solutions for Cells. There are correct and incorrect solutions. All your solutions are incorrect.
High rollers? Create 3,5,7 boards, for 0.1 BTC, 0.01, 0.001, etc
Suspension the bots? You have banned my account, where i had played manually. Great solution. You could suspend whole server. It's yet more better for you.

And again. What about other players? p1ayer. Did you cheat against someone excluding me? Say "yes" or "no")