Fuck your vaccines

[tvbcof]

feel like some vaccines are needed but most like yearly flu vaccinations are pure garbage.
I imagine babies do need to get certain vaccinations. This is probably why the government wants everybody to be vaccinated.
Because Each vaccine means money

I agree that the pharma cartel is exploiting poor people, by selling certain type of medications. That said, I believe that the vaccinations do more good than bad for the humans. 99% of the vaccines are harm-free.

I also think that vaccines are more than good than evil. There are certain basic vaccinations, which should be binding. The rest - at the discretion of parents

I may go along with that AFTER there is complete transparency in the entire process (research, manufacture, testing, oversight, etc) AND adversarial analysis adjudicated in a transparent manner.  NOT before.

As long as corporations can shroud their 'technology' behind a shield of 'intellectual property' and 'trade secrets' law, and as long as corporations can hire the 'public service' oversight personnel after their 'service', no thanks.  That is begging for trouble and we see plenty of it peeking through in spite of the propaganda veil.

I am in favor of people being able to hand over their immune systems to corp/gov, and even that of their children to a lesser degree, to entities who they, for whatever reason, choose to trust.  I am very opposed to FORCING others to do so.

I have zero interest in muzzling people who question things.  That is a totalitarian nightmare scenerio on a lot of fronts.  The political Left is rapidly losing their support precisely because they are, as of fairly recently, cheerleaders for such totalitarian principles.  Goodbye and good residence, and if it is TPTB vaccination regimes which does the deed, at least they are good for something.

[Sithara007]

Vaccines Can Cause Infertility
https://vactruth.com/2013/07/20/vaccines-can-cause-infertility/

Going by your logic, the human race should have been extinct long back. Vaccination was first invented in 1796. And now, the vaccination coverage is close to 99% of the world population. If your post was true, then 99% of the world population should have been infertile by now. But as per the latest stats, the human population in the world is increasing by some 10 million individuals per annum.

[tvbcof]

Vaccines Can Cause Infertility
https://vactruth.com/2013/07/20/vaccines-can-cause-infertility/

Going by your logic, the human race should have been extinct long back. Vaccination was first invented in 1796. And now, the vaccination coverage is close to 99% of the world population. If your post was true, then 99% of the world population should have been infertile by now. But as per the latest stats, the human population in the world is increasing by some 10 million individuals per annum.

You need to take a little time to understand the basics of what a guy says before casting aspersion on his/her 'logic'.  Otherwise it's a strawman.  Obviously nobody is saying that all vaccinations have any particular effect.

What a lot of us are saying is that we may not be getting a complete and honest story about some of the things that some of the injection regimes are designed to achieve.  Here's another article with the same basic concerns.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/is-the-un-using-vaccines-to-secretly-sterilize-women-all-over-the-globe/5413599

I have zero difficulty believing that such programs exist, and only slightly less believing that the development effort would not have been undertaken without and intent to deploy it.  Only slightly less than that in believing that attempts at deployment have been undertaken from time to time here and there.

While a lot of people who, years later, ended up on bitcointalk.org were reading Ayn Rand I was reading Garrett Hardin's 'Lifeboat Ethics'.  I do have a better than par understanding of the ethical considerations associated with population.  Indeed, when nearly forced to pick from a list of about 200 'charities' to donate to 30 years ago, I choose 'Zero Population Growth.'  I have an understanding of how some people consider 'scientific' means of controlling population to be more ethical than, say, war or starvation, and I don't even necessarily disagree with them in principle.

I also understand how any means of population control be it laissez-faire or engineered can be parlayed into accumulation of wealth as long as it is at least predictable.  I've come to believe that those at the seats of power can and do use any and all of the generally possible population control methods for personal enrichment even while a vast majority probably do earnestly believe that they are using their unique wisdom and capabilities for the 'betterment' of humanity (or more generally, of the planet.)

Currently we have a situation where utter hog-wash 'scientific' arguments like 'global climate change' and spiritual feelings used as bedrock cornerstones are being sold to (aka, implanted) in the public mind to justify eugenics programs.  This makes me believe that the motives are at least as much about obtaining power and control as they are 'ethical' in an abstract manner.  It also contorts any operational efforts which will likely lead to a bad outcome.

Most people still rely on their generational line for security in old age.  Covertly sterilizing people is 'evil' for a lot of reasons, but one of the main ones is that it robs them of this potential.  The globalist new-agers might justify this in a belief that they are going to 'end poverty by 2030 world-wide' but it is entirely unclear that they will be able to achieve this.  OTOH, it is crystal clear to any thinking person that the only possible way to do this would be to massively de-populate the planet down to the 1/2 to 1 billion mark that their leaders love to toss around.  Anyone who actually believes this 'agenda-2030' hype is either to stupid to understand what is going on (most of them), or does see the big-picture and welcomes it.

[bryant.coleman]

Vaccines are not yet available for the most serious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, cancer, and Ebola. Even the existing medications and vaccines are losing their healing power, due to drug resistance. And certain groups of people refusing to get vaccinated is being cited as one of the main reasons for the prevalence of drug resistance.

[tvbcof]

Vaccines are not yet available for the most serious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, cancer, and Ebola. Even the existing medications and vaccines are losing their healing power, due to drug resistance. And certain groups of people refusing to get vaccinated is being cited as one of the main reasons for the prevalence of drug resistance.

Was a mechanism for this described?  I can think up a plausible one rather easily but I'll leave it to the reader to test their understandings of the science here rather than explore it.

One cannot keep cattle alive long enough to fatten up for slaughter when you cram them together into a feed-lot unless you dose the shit out of them.  Same goes for people.  That's a good argument for not stack-n-packing them into 200 ft^2 micro-dwellings in 'human habitat megacenters'.  But the new-age globalists are dead set on doing just that since it is what the plan calls for.  I suspect that this is one of the major driving forces behind having corp/gov take over management of people's immune systems.

[tvbcof]

Vaccines are not yet available for the most serious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, cancer, and Ebola. Even the existing medications and vaccines are losing their healing power, due to drug resistance. And certain groups of people refusing to get vaccinated is being cited as one of the main reasons for the prevalence of drug resistance.

Was a mechanism for this described?  I can think up a plausible one rather easily but I'll leave it to the reader to test their understandings of the science here rather than explore it.
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None of you 'safe and effective' propaganda victims can figure it out, eh?

Here's one:  People may get sick from certain select things (e.g., pertussis) at a somewhat higher rate without vaccine regimes.  That means that they will be treated, and sometimes the treatment will consists of antibiotics.  The higher the rate of antibiotics treatment, the higher the incidence of drug resistance.

Back in the age of real science such hypotheses would be explored and modeled, the risks would be weighed, potential resolution schemes would be analysed, and a practical policy which benefited the population would be selected.  Now in the propagandized pseudo-science age the major considerations seem to be the medical/industrial complex's bottom line and the social engineer's need to construct a population with attributes that please their sponsors.

[vantyzz]

Vaccines are not yet available for the most serious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, cancer, and Ebola. Even the existing medications and vaccines are losing their healing power, due to drug resistance. And certain groups of people refusing to get vaccinated is being cited as one of the main reasons for the prevalence of drug resistance.

I think that vaccines against these terrible diseases have been invented, but the government is not profitable to promote their

[petsae]

http://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaxxers-accidentally-fund-study-showing-theres-no-link-between-autism-and-379245

Me and all my friends seem fine after few vaccines which we took when we were children.

[tvbcof]

http://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaxxers-accidentally-fund-study-showing-theres-no-link-between-autism-and-379245

Me and all my friends seem fine after few vaccines which we took when we were children.

Well, if 'just fine' means treating Newsweek as a source of truth...

Anyway, just a quick scan on this.  Seems to me that the study participants should have at least kept their funders appraised, especially if they had agreed to.

http://www.safeminds.org/blog/2015/10/19/safeminds-review-of-vaccine-safety-and-autism-like-outcomes-in-a-non-human-primate-model-identifies-distortion-in-public-reporting-and-argues-need-for-full-disclosure-of-research-documents/


I'm more than ready for a transparent vax vs. un-vax total health outcome study.  One with reasonable protocols which are justified and followed.  Would that be to much to ask before forcing people to subject their kids to big-phrama's will?  Especially when they have no liability for any problems they may cause!

To say the honest truth, the U.S. is starting to remind me of the Inca culture where the powers that be forced the citizens to bring in their kids and send them up the steep stairs where the high priests would do their thing.  It's truly interesting how history rhymes and repeats.

[criptix]

You sound like a real conspiratard tvbcof.

You linked naturalnews with an article about schoenfeld which was an outright lie without even realising and understanding.

Your expertise is less then zero. Nobody believes in your shit except some newbie accounts, 3rd world sig spammers or the usual conspiracy idiots on this board.

Sometimes the truth just hurts i know, but accepting it is the first step for a restart.

[tvbcof]

You sound like a real conspiratard tvbcof.

You linked naturalnews with an article about schoenfeld which was an outright lie without even realising and understanding.

Your expertise is less then zero. Nobody believes in your shit except some newbie accounts, 3rd world sig spammers or the usual conspiracy idiots on this board.

Sometimes the truth just hurts i know, but accepting it is the first step for a restart.

I suppose you mean about hCG?  IIRC that was the only naturalnews thing I remember using.  Just the first URL I pulled up on the topic.  I've studied the hCG thing extensively because it seemed outrageous.  It is highly substantiated that hCG in a tetanus carrier vaccines were developed to induce sterility and has been used in Mexico and the Philippines at least.  One person was a Philippine doctor who herself became sterilized and which is how the scheme was exposed.  A UN WHO operation if I recall correctly.  As for the more recent Kenya operation, I cannot be sure but most signs point to it being yet another attempt including the very odd protocols which don't match run-of-the-mill vaccination programs in substantial ways.  Over and over both in reading and indeed in real life from talking to a relative I find that organizations such as UNICEF are highly interested in population control.  It matches perfectly with the writings of those ultra-wealthy sponsors of such so-called NGO's.  And Henry Kissinger's work identifying third-world population as a major security problem for the U.S. (meaning mainly our corporations ability to exploit the third-world at the lowest cost possible.)

If TPTB just cannot control their burning desire to depopulate I wish they would go the Inca route.  The way things are now I gotta use my tax dollars to support a bunch of drooling tards like you for life.  Skepticism about vaccinations is clustered among the affluent who, ironically, would be better able to shoulder the financial burden of having damaged kids than would the typical drone who believes everything they hear on the TV about vaccination programs....as long as someone with a stethoscope hanging around their neck says it.

[Sithara007]

Vaccines are not yet available for the most serious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, cancer, and Ebola. Even the existing medications and vaccines are losing their healing power, due to drug resistance. And certain groups of people refusing to get vaccinated is being cited as one of the main reasons for the prevalence of drug resistance.

I think that vaccines against these terrible diseases have been invented, but the government is not profitable to promote their

Why should the government hide the invention of important vaccines? It will save the government tens of billions of USD from the health budget (especially if vaccines are invented for diseases for cancer, HIV.etc).

[criptix]

You sound like a real conspiratard tvbcof.

You linked naturalnews with an article about schoenfeld which was an outright lie without even realising and understanding.

Your expertise is less then zero. Nobody believes in your shit except some newbie accounts, 3rd world sig spammers or the usual conspiracy idiots on this board.

Sometimes the truth just hurts i know, but accepting it is the first step for a restart.

I suppose you mean about hCG?  IIRC that was the only naturalnews thing I remember using.  Just the first URL I pulled up on the topic.  I've studied the hCG thing extensively because it seemed outrageous.  It is highly substantiated that hCG in a tetanus carrier vaccines were developed to induce sterility and has been used in Mexico and the Philippines at least.  One person was a Philippine doctor who herself became sterilized and which is how the scheme was exposed.  A UN WHO operation if I recall correctly.  As for the more recent Kenya operation, I cannot be sure but most signs point to it being yet another attempt including the very odd protocols which don't match run-of-the-mill vaccination programs in substantial ways.  Over and over both in reading and indeed in real life from talking to a relative I find that organizations such as UNICEF are highly interested in population control.  It matches perfectly with the writings of those ultra-wealthy sponsors of such so-called NGO's.  And Henry Kissinger's work identifying third-world population as a major security problem for the U.S. (meaning mainly our corporations ability to exploit the third-world at the lowest cost possible.)

If TPTB just cannot control their burning desire to depopulate I wish they would go the Inca route.  The way things are now I gotta use my tax dollars to support a bunch of drooling tards like you for life.  Skepticism about vaccinations is clustered among the affluent who, ironically, would be better able to shoulder the financial burden of having damaged kids than would the typical drone who believes everything they hear on the TV about vaccination programs....as long as someone with a stethoscope hanging around their neck says it.

Then you must have already taken shots of every vaccine that existed and will ever exist...

Btw. Today i pissed for a duration of about 5 minutes. It must be a eugenics or mind control programm of TPTB or the elite.

 

[tvbcof]

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Btw. Today i pissed for a duration of about 5 minutes. It must be a eugenics or mind control programm of TPTB or the elite.

Not at all surprised to find out that you have urinary problems to go along with your other issues.  You seem like exactly the kind of 'designer person' who the so-called NWO welcomes for the future.  You are not alone, but fortunately the 'consensus' is being constructed that you and your yellow trail are the new trendy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiWGi6H29I

Back in the day, we might suggest to people like you:

  "If your pole is to short of your pressure to weak,
    lift the lid; don't piss on the seat"

I actually think it is a better idea that you just sit like a female and dribble for however long it takes...then pull out a new diaper from you back-pack...as long as it is made from renewable materials.  You know that since the Euro-pee'n males 'sitzpinkle' (by force of law in Sweden so I've heard) it must be be cool and trendy.

It's not clear if, and if so how much, vaccination regimes have to do with our new-found excretory problem/solutions.  That's why a total health outcome study would be of interest.

[criptix]

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Btw. Today i pissed for a duration of about 5 minutes. It must be a eugenics or mind control programm of TPTB or the elite.

Not at all surprised to find out that you have urinary problems to go along with your other issues.  You seem like exactly the kind of 'designer person' who the so-called NWO welcomes for the future.  You are not alone, but fortunately the 'consensus' is being constructed that you and your yellow trail are the new trendy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiWGi6H29I

Back in the day, we might suggest to people like you:

  "If your pole is to short of your pressure to weak,
    lift the lid; don't piss on the seat"

I actually think it is a better idea that you just sit like a female and dribble for however long it takes...then pull out a new diaper from you back-pack...as long as it is made from renewable materials.  You know that since the Euro-pee'n males 'sitzpinkle' (by force of law in Sweden so I've heard) it must be be cool and trendy.

It's not clear if, and if so how much, vaccination regimes have to do with our new-found excretory problem/solutions.  That's why a total health outcome study would be of interest.

Hear a lot and know nothing.

You are a really extra ordinary person or so it seems (emphasis bolded).

 

[tvbcof]

Hear a lot and know nothing.

You are a really extra ordinary person or so it seems (emphasis bolded).

 

My methods are structured, with some deliberation, such that I need not worry excessively about what it may so seem (emphasis bolded).  And that I have other forms of comfort in what can be a complex world not without it's risks.

[criptix]

Hear a lot and know nothing.

You are a really extra ordinary person or so it seems (emphasis bolded).

 

My methods are structured, with some deliberation, such that I need not worry excessively about what it may so seem (emphasis bolded).  And that I have other forms of comfort in what can be a complex world not without it's risks.

Are you by chance taking psychedelic medcine or drugs (delusions are one of the usual side effects)?
That would for sure explain everything. 

[protokol]

tvbcof, you've got all these paranoid ideas about vaccines, saying they might be being used for population control by the "NWO" etc, you said something else equally ludicrous about the aluminum particles making our brains more susceptible to radiation...

The problem is, the evidence shows the exact opposite. We can clearly see that death/infection rates historically drop when vaccines are introduced. What's more, there is no evidence of population control/infertility or any  radiation mind control. Yes, I know about MK Ultra/Naomi etc but none of that shit really worked.

Where are all the people dying/becoming sterile from the vaccines? Last time I checked, the world population was rising pretty quickly.

[tvbcof]

tvbcof, you've got all these paranoid ideas about vaccines, saying they might be being used for population control by the "NWO" etc, you said something else equally ludicrous about the aluminum particles making our brains more susceptible to radiation...

The problem is, the evidence shows the exact opposite. We can clearly see that death/infection rates historically drop when vaccines are introduced. What's more, there is no evidence of population control/infertility or any  radiation mind control. Yes, I know about MK Ultra/Naomi etc but none of that shit really worked.

Where are all the people dying/becoming sterile from the vaccines? Last time I checked, the world population was rising pretty quickly.

All I am doing is presenting hypotheses spinning together known or highly probable facts about the world.  I'm asking no one to do anything more than consider a set of  hypotheses and map them to observation and explanatory power.  In fact I am not even doing that.  Only for those who can do so and enjoy doing so.

Writing off any hypothesis about anything because it is 'ludicrous' or 'paranoid' or 'unpopular' is not scientifically or ethically correct (but there is no law against it.)  Turns out that it is highly effective to promote exactly this mode of thought whether there is a 'conspiracy' going or whether one simply does not want to be second-guessed or bothered to defend against it.

I am encouraging people to not necessarily accept at face value the narrative of entities who have either a bad history or a reason to deceive or both.  Those who are skeptical here are the kinds of people who will have long term benefit to the society in which I live.  I also genuinely don't want people who are gullible to be injured either simply out of concern for my fellow man and because it is a complex world which not everyone is equipped to deal with for no real fault of their own.

[tvbcof]

Are you by chance taking psychedelic medcine or drugs (delusions are one of the usual side effects)?
That would for sure explain everything. 

FWIW, no I am not (with the exception of nicotine and caffeine.)  I found out everything I need to know about psychedelics 30 years ago in a couple of experiments.  I found them interesting, but the effects adequately explained by the neuroscience of the day and the effects to be no big deal.

I wouldn't doubt that long term use of psychotropics or pot could cause problems, but it's one of those things where the cause (of abuse) and effects (of abuse) could be difficult to sort out.  In other words, when considering the long-term abusers that I know it is not clear that they abuse drugs because of mental issues or whether they have mental issues which cause them to be long term abusers.

I am in fact even more skeptical of (or 'paranoid about' if you prefer) prescription psychoactive drugs than I am about vaccination programs, but the basic core set of concerns I have of the two classes of drugs are similar.