Fuck your vaccines

[btcxyzzz]

ok, counting... sheeple +3
 

no, now it's +3

[tvbcof]

Thanks for your humble and well thought out reply - it is a refreshing thing on BCT when users respond in an intelligent, rational manner (when so many users on here revert to fallacies and personal attacks).

There is a lot in your post which I will need some time to process, but it does seem as we are venturing into the philosophical/epistemological realms of evidence and its strengths and weaknesses.

I also don't spend much time on the "metaphysical hypotheses", my example was just to demonstrate the problems when we claim "the evidence is hard/impossible to obtain, therefore the hypothesis may have scientific merit". I realize the real life implications of that claim are far more complex, when we are discussing effects which are relatively well documented and follow the general laws of established physics, such as the effects of vaccines.

I just wish we could escape some of the pseudoscience related to the more controversial aspects of vaccines, eg the misinformation that Andrew Wakefield perpetuated and still is popular today among certain groups. I do think that Big Pharma should be more transparent in their research/deployment of drugs and vaccines, because they are certainly corrupt in many ways and making money is very high on their priority list.

A serious problem that should be addressed is certain pharmaceutical companies suppressing studies that claim their drug is ineffective: Case in point - studies that showed that Tamiflu was fairly inneffective were suppressed by Roche Pharmaceuticals, and governments around the world spent millions stockpiling a drug which in most cases is nearly useless! But I see that as a company being corrupt for monetary gain, dissimilar to a company planning to market a dnagerous drug/vaccine to depopulate/control the masses through physiological means.

However this doesn't mean that every drug or vaccine produced is necessarily dangerous or ineffective. We just need to be careful and attempt to find as much unbiased research as possible on drugs and vaccines (unbiased being the tricky one haha).

I'd differ with you on Wakefield.  His defenses seem to hold up as best I can see.  In particular his co-author had half-a-million to spend in court.  His case was nearly identical and the court overturned the panels decisions, restored the guy's medical credentials, and lambasted the panel for gross negligence.  Long story short, it looks to me a lot more like a case of trying to ruin a doctor/scientist who threatened the public health system's plans and/or the pharma industries profits.  Most of the other authors of the infamous study ducked out and continued on to normal careers in the medical/industrial complex as I read things.  That Wakefield's career trajectory differed is, if anything, a testament to his credibility as I see it.

I'm in complete agreement with the importance of making things transparent and removing the mechanisms which can lead to unscientific pressures.  I, and I think most 'anti-vaxers' are not against vaccines at all.  As long as they are not abused, and especially for profit motives, I don't have all that much against them.  I simply want this problem to be resolved BEFORE they are forced upon the population.  I don't see terrible epidemics in nations which use fewer vaccines than we do (which is nearly all of them) so I don't think there is an overriding need to vaccinate everyone for everything on public health grounds.  Let's just get it right on the oversight front first.

One argument which is at least logically sustainable is that we (the government) needs the private sector to maintain a large capacity in order to meet surprise demand (epidemic, biological warfare, etc.)  Because we are a supposedly 'capitalist democracy', we have to rely on the private sector, and in order to do that we need to give them product liability immunity and a lot of orders.  I call bullshit.  If it is that great a need, then the government itself should build and maintain the facilities in mothball state.  I would much rather see my tax dollars go to this than funding jihadist to destabilize the Middle East.

As for corporate greed vs. genocidal depopulation (or modification), we could easily have both simultaneously.  Or one which could be flipped to the other.  Although it is arguable to some looking at the general state of health here stateside, we've not seen a genocidal program yet.  My point of concern is that I don't trust some of these people (and very bad things could be accomplished with 99% of the _insiders_ not knowing what is going on) and I want there to be circuit breakers.  Transparency and good fail-safe oversight which keeps up with the technology would be sufficient for me.  Mandating a state-dictated vaccine regime is going the opposite direction.

Further, 'depopulation' is not the only threat, and this is particularly true as the pace of technology increases.  CRISPR technology, nano-technology, etc, are bound to continue forward.  I don't want some corp/gov bureaucrat deciding that it is best for the humanity under their charge to have their DNA be altered even if they have, or think they have a good and ethical reason to do so.  Especially with the likes of Elon Musk gingerly floating the idea that people maybe should be fitted with a neural lace in order to interface with the hive mind more efficiently (and thus beat back the evil AI in some nebulous way or some weirdo shit like that.)

(The neural lace idea reminds me of yet another (weak) hypothesis about metallic compounds injected, ingested, etc.  This one is not my own.  The idea is that they could be used as building blocks for structures such as a neural lace.)

[gandame]

I cannot blame the government if they are against the Muslim because most of the terrorist that are attacking the government are Muslims, and based on my observation most of the Muslims are brutal, and hurting their wives, well just my opinion because I have seen so many scenario like this. It is not like I'm against them, I'm just saying what I have seen.

[Sithara007]

The Central Mechanism By Which Vaccines Induce Autism - Dr. Russell Blaylock Lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0ioiB0_oY

Nowadays with the rise of the social media and broadband penetration, anyone can spread any sort of conspiracy theory. Dr. Russell Blaylock has not given any proof to back up his claim. According to the research, autism rates are the same for vaccinated and non-vaccinated children.

[ekaterina77]

The Central Mechanism By Which Vaccines Induce Autism - Dr. Russell Blaylock Lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0ioiB0_oY

Nowadays with the rise of the social media and broadband penetration, anyone can spread any sort of conspiracy theory. Dr. Russell Blaylock has not given any proof to back up his claim. According to the research, autism rates are the same for vaccinated and non-vaccinated children.

Vaccine is trying to blame all. It is not correct. I did the vaccination and I have not had anything. I did vaccinate my daughter and she also did not hurt. Isn't this proof that vaccination needed?

[btcxyzzz]

^ "useful idiot"

[ovvidiy]

^ "useful idiot"

I am also a supporter of vaccination. I'm sure that to avoid the spread of the epidemic can only be due to vaccination. From vaccines die unit but saved billions. Isn't that right? And no one will convince me otherwise.

[btcxyzzz]

^ another "useful idiot"

[tvbcof]

^ another "useful idiot"

Yup!  Classic example of Darwin's theory in action.

I don't recall the guy publishing on economics, but I doubt that he explored the unfortunate consequences in 'developed' countries where the so-called 'strong' are compelled to keep the weak alive through tax payer funded 'public health' programs.  From a social engineering perspective this is kind of handy though if one seeks to severely damage an entire society when one's toolkit can mostly just pick off individuals and their immediate progeny.

[dirokkl]

^ another "useful idiot"

If you react to attempts to explain it so idiots like you that the vaccines are necessary, I don't want to waste time communicating with you. Not vacciniosa and your death will be just natural selection.

[awesome31312]

^ another "useful idiot"

If you react to attempts to explain it so idiots like you that the vaccines are necessary, I don't want to waste time communicating with you. Not vacciniosa and your death will be just natural selection.

You just went full neo-Nazi. Never go eugenicist.

[tvbcof]

^ another "useful idiot"

If you react to attempts to explain it so idiots like you that the vaccines are necessary, I don't want to waste time communicating with you. Not vacciniosa and your death will be just natural selection.

You just went full neo-Nazi. Never go eugenicist.

You are conflating things which don't match on a variety of fronts.  Deliberately or through force of habit I'm sure.  Eugenics pre-dated the national socialist worker's party rise to power in Germany, and they implemented it 1) in one of several distinct forms, and 2) with considerable support from pioneers overseas (esp, the United States.)

Eugenics does seek to promote the generation of 'better' humans or populations of them, but 'better' is not well defined and means different things to different people.  To the the nazis it seemed to mean blonde hair and blue eyes.  At least in their propaganda.  To others in a leadership position it could mean docile and feminized population with allergies which won't push back against leadership and will buy medications by the truck-load.

H.G. Wells was popular among the early eugenics crowd (and likely one himself.)  An idea which had great appeal was the differentiation of humans into several distinct classes which may eventually separate into different species.  He called them the Morlock and the Eloi.  I would call them the 'pharmaceutical company executive' and 'useful idiots' (e.g., criptix, sithara007, etc.)

[btcxyzzz]

No I'm not going to waste my time to useful idiots anymore. It's now my job only to tell them they are useful idiots.

[LeGaulois]

I am surprised nobody posted

"blame the illuminatis !"

 

[criptix]

No I'm not going to waste my time to useful idiots anymore. It's now my job only to tell them they are useful idiots.

*much care Lol
do you really think that anyone on this planet takes you serious?
Did you get vaccinated or are mental diseases common in your family?

I am surprised nobody posted

"blame the illuminatis !"

 

It is always either the "elite", tptb, illuminatis, aliens, reptiles or hillary clinton 

[tvbcof]

It is always either the "elite", tptb, illuminatis, aliens, reptiles or hillary clinton 

Run along down to MartLaw...oops, I mean WalMart...and get your yearly flu vaccine like a good little eloi.  In fact you can take mine as well.

[criptix]

It is always either the "elite", tptb, illuminatis, aliens, reptiles or hillary clinton 

Run along down to MartLaw...oops, I mean WalMart...and get your yearly flu vaccine like a good little eloi.  In fact you can take mine as well.

right, walmart and vaccines are the secret plan of the alien reptiles to overthrow humans on planet earth and enslave them forever. 


hollow earth nuff said

[Deep In The Mines LLC]

This thread is going too far off the rail, relax everyone.

Back to the topic at hand: Vaccinations are proven to prevent diseases, and babies/kids need them more due to the lack of antibodies during development, as a result they get vaccinated because we can't get their conscious.

In the other hand, there is no proof that vaccines harm the babies/kids as far as I am aware, there are claims but no proof, things such as autism for instance are the same rates for vaccinated and none-vaccinated individuals.

I would appreciate it if you intend to reply to this, don't straw-man the conversation, thanks.

[tvbcof]

This thread is going too far off the rail, relax everyone.

Back to the topic at hand: Vaccinations are proven to prevent diseases, and babies/kids need them more due to the lack of antibodies during development, as a result they get vaccinated because we can't get their conscious.

In the other hand, there is no proof that vaccines harm the babies/kids as far as I am aware, there are claims but no proof, things such as autism for instance are the same rates for vaccinated and none-vaccinated individuals.

I would appreciate it if you intend to reply to this, don't straw-man the conversation, thanks.

How would one 'straw-man' the conversation?

I have taken the time to listen to probably 100 doctors and scientists who have serious concerns about how vaccines are used.  They gain nothing but grief and ridicule for their efforts, though they probably do sometimes feel a sense of self-respect.

The main doctors and scientists I hear saying what you seem to parrot are either known to be in the pockets of big phrama (e.g., Paul Offit) or very well could be.  Their presentations tend to 'feel' to me very much like the countless other astro-turf marketing campaigns produced by PR firms.  Similarly, the sooth-troll posts on many many comments sections or boards.  Almost never to any of these people demonstrate even the slightest understanding of the science behind the concerns.  All they do is exactly what you do:  regurgitate some assurtions that 'studies prove blah, blah, blah.'  Sometimes they'll throw out a catchy word such at 'herd immunity' as if it demonstrates and actually understanding of anything.  It doesn't.  The principles of 'herd immunity' are rather easy to grasp, but mapping it into reality is quite messy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU

Former CBS reporter.  LOL!

[Tyrantt]

It is always either the "elite", tptb, illuminatis, aliens, reptiles or hillary clinton 

Run along down to MartLaw...oops, I mean WalMart...and get your yearly flu vaccine like a good little eloi.  In fact you can take mine as well.

right, walmart and vaccines are the secret plan of the alien reptiles to overthrow humans on planet earth and enslave them forever. 


hollow earth nuff said

Don't forget the jews, I've heard they're some big mofos. :O

also,  reptiles or hillary clinton are pretty much the same, tho Hillary is a reptile that obeys Moloch.