Panda Miner using Pirated KMS activator for WIndows 10?

[Searing]

Phil, its very easy to tell. If your current setup has been fully activated as genuine previously then you should be able to reinstall a fresh Win10 and it should activate successfully because of the generated systemID which is saved on the MS activation servers. PM me for more clarification or questions.

As a reviewer I'd think that a properly licensed OS is pretty crucial if you're trying to sell a rig and should be included in any review as to whether the OS is legit or not.

Given that this is an up and coming new and low budget Chinese company, I highly doubt they invested $100 for a legit copy of Windows 10 on each of their rigs.

Pretty sure in Chinese there are no piracy laws unlike in the US. In the US if a company tried to use pirated software they would be in huge trouble legally with Microsoft.

But the catch is...can it be a legal win 10 for the specific use on the pandaminer....ie just nag ware and never upgrade and it just works? Seems to me some folk
are using unlicensed windows 10 on their gpu miners and just ignore the above and let it run as is...could it be the same with them simply not activating the nagware
feature..>?

would be 'slimy' as heck but likely not unlegal ...assuming the above I ponder has any basis in reality?

[JaredKaragen]

well, I have still to this day months and months later have not needed to activate a copy of 10 on one of my laptops....  no ill effects....

[rawbert]

well, I have still to this day months and months later have not needed to activate a copy of 10 on one of my laptops....  no ill effects....

Yeah, it seems like Microsoft doesn't care much anymore about win10 activation.. they'll let you use win 10 non activated forever.. with some minor restrictions like you can't change the wallpaper and your desktop icons will keep rearranging, but who cares.. at this point I don't see why people would pay for it if they can use it like this..

[rawbert]

You do not have to Activate Windows 10:
http://www.windowscentral.com/you-do-not-need-activate-windows-10

[toptek]

Phil, its very easy to tell. If your current setup has been fully activated as genuine previously then you should be able to reinstall a fresh Win10 and it should activate successfully because of the generated systemID which is saved on the MS activation servers. PM me for more clarification or questions.

As a reviewer I'd think that a properly licensed OS is pretty crucial if you're trying to sell a rig and should be included in any review as to whether the OS is legit or not.

Given that this is an up and coming new and low budget Chinese company, I highly doubt they invested $100 for a legit copy of Windows 10 on each of their rigs.

Pretty sure in Chinese there are no piracy laws unlike in the US. In the US if a company tried to use pirated software they would be in huge trouble legally with Microsoft.

But the catch is...can it be a legal win 10 for the specific use on the pandaminer....ie just nag ware and never upgrade and it just works? Seems to me some folk
are using unlicensed windows 10 on their gpu miners and just ignore the above and let it run as is...could it be the same with them simply not activating the nagware
feature..>?

would be 'slimy' as heck but likely not unlegal ...assuming the above I ponder has any basis in reality?

I agree it is not Illegal to use a non activated copy but can get very annoying over time and if your in the insider program, i believe it is activated as long as you keep that on to, which i don't use some of there betas get out of hand plus i hate using UAC so i don't and uninstall Edge which i would use if it didn't force me to have  UAC on .. . so all my copy's of 10 are legal and Activated .Just so i don't get that annoying BS .

I even saw a video some place one time were our GOV the USA was using a non activated version of Enterprise 10 it kept popping up some thing about activation I don't think they cared or didn't notice atm, i thought yea who being legal now .I think it was the IRS Or one of the really high up there in the US programs . LMAO  no joke i couldn't believe  they didn't fix that before it was posted .

[Eyedol-X]

In China "Intellectual property" does not exist

There's a youtuber I watch that talked about piracy in China.  No one actually has a legit copy of windows there, not only that but it is (almost) impossible to even find a legit windows in China.  That means when people buy a computer, buy windows from a store, work in a office they are all cracked or bypassed activation by some method.  Microsoft has given up trying to sell windows in China and has focused on other products.

So you can most likely safely assume that Windows on this miner from this small Chinese company was never legit, it would actually be weird if it was.  What probably happened is they bought a license from some 3rd party for say 500 machines and now they no longer exist so it wont activate, or they got scammed from the get go on a non working license.

The other thing is.  If you try to explain to them that you think it is not a legal copy of windows...they may not understand the difference due to culture difference.

Other companys in china understand this and if they sell a product like in this case would have Linux so it wont get pulled from the shelves.

This is correct regarding Windows Piracy in China, this is also why MS is working on a Chinese specific version of Windows 10 with "approved" changes by their government.

[nu2mining]

I think it is not a legit activation.

But I am not sure at the moment .

We are going to need some clarification on it.

I am not a coder/software guy.

I have a standard legit windows 10 and I will pull the stock msata out and attempt an install.

The software does have a activation code that does not work at the moment.

Could be due to date change.

The Windows 10 enterprise lbst. Is the most basic version of windows 10. It is stripped of edge browser.

And of Microsoft store.  There are ways to spoof the system if the code is bad.  I do not recommend that.
I also don't know if a new windows 10 install will work.  So for now it could be an issue.

I am awaiting a old school msata as I do not want to erase the included msata.

Once I know I can run the unit with the new msata and a good windows 10 install.

I can be more aggressive fucking with the stock. Msata build.

I did not want to deal with the issue specifically on the review since I will not be able to know for sure about the quality of the windows build until weds or thur at best.


I did some research on windows 10 enterprise lbst builds

The activation code say 12345 can be purchased from Microsoft and every machine in your company will have the same code say 12345.

Your company may purchase a 10 to 500 or more license .

So if I get a machine my code would be 12345 and if the op got a machine he would have a 12345 code and no issue happens until all 500 are used on the code.

Spoofing involves multiple methods.  But. Let's say they are fully honest and did buy a 500 machine code.

Some scumbag got a machine. 25 days ago and uses a code finder program extracts the code and uses it 100 times not once for his one machine.

The other machines have not been activated so I get mine 3 days ago and have an issues switching to,English
So today I get it in English.  And I try to activate my machine. With the provided code and it does not work

Due to an early bird piece of shit that used the code 100 times vs the 1 time they were entitled to!

Well if the code does not work for me the reason above is just as likely as pandaminer tried cheating codes.

I do think there is an issue because my code ends in say 12345.  And I found a tutorial on how to spoof windows 10 enterprise lbst.

In that tutorial they gave a full activation code. And the last set of,numbers are indentical to the code,on my machine.

So did pandaminer use the tutorial or did the tutorial rob pandaminer?

All this does not belong on my review thread at the moment since I do not know why the above occurred.

It does need to be mentioned that the included windows has an issue.  Which I did mention first as stuck in Chinese and then as not allowing activation.  At first I thought it was due to the year change but finding a match of my last numbers and of the online method to spoof is troublesome.

Hey Phil

Thanks for looking in to this, it is important if they are selling them, sorry i was a dick yesterday but when you said you were going to delete any conversation of it I kinda flipped out as I think its a very important issue and should be clearly checked in to.

Thanks again for your honesty and checking in to it

[philipma1957]

@ nu2miner

you did right  don't worry about it

I slept on the issue.

Part of the problem is Microsoft  as I would pay them for a legit code for windows 10 enterprise LTSB 2015 build.

They won't sell me a code.  Yet on their own website   they give you the info on how to switch a legit win 10 to a non activated win 10 enterprise.

That is most likely what panda miner did is overlay a win 10 with the code provided by microsoft.

Since you need an enterprise edition to run  8 gpus  I can see why they did it.

What I don understand is why microsoft won't sell me a code  when they provided the info to the entire world on their website  to switch from  

win 10 to   win 10 enterprise LTSB

this is microsoft's info below

[TheYankeesWin!]

So it is like the movie Catch 22

[philipma1957]

  This article was helpful to me as I own a few windows 7 ultimate pc's


http://www.howtogeek.com/250503/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-enterprise-without-reinstalling-windows/

part of the article below  I highlighted  why I kind of blame microsoft on this and not Pandaminer

[nu2mining]

@ nu2miner

you did right  don't worry about it

I slept on the issue.

That is most likely what panda miner did is overlay a win 10 with the code provided by microsoft.

PanadaMiner knows exactly what they were putting on the machine, trust me... here you gotta sometimes lay it down to make things right.  You gotta make them make it right.

But hopefully this changes things in the future and people are given a legit copy of windows 10, hopefully this makes them more honest.

I know all to well of the scams and lies they do

saving face is what they do, so never expect them to admit they knew what was being put on the machine, but I 100% guarantee they knew.

well I am saving my money for after CES anyway, cant wait to see what cards are going to be released this year.

Happy new year phil

[philipma1957]

But I think this is very gray.  

I AM TELLING MICROSOFT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR A SINGLE PC CODE THAT ACTIVATES THE WINDOWS 10 ENTERPRISE LTSB 2015 ON THE PANDAMINER WHICH SOLVES ALL THE ISSUES WITH THIS OS ON THIS PC.

@ nu2miner

you did right  don't worry about it

I slept on the issue.

That is most likely what panda miner did is overlay a win 10 with the code provided by microsoft.

PanadaMiner knows exactly what they were putting on the machine, trust me... here you gotta sometimes lay it down to make things right.  You gotta make them make it right.

But hopefully this changes things in the future and people are given a legit copy of windows 10, hopefully this makes them more honest.

I know all to well of the scams and lies they do

saving face is what they do, so never expect them to admit they knew what was being put on the machine, but I 100% guarantee they knew.

well I am saving my money for after CES anyway, cant wait to see what cards are going to be released this year.

Happy new year phil

Still if they got a fully legit enterprise leisence with 500 or 1000 pc limit when they sell one to a thief

He can lift the activation code with a code finder such as magic jelly bean.

And use it on a few hundred  pcs.  Thus stealing from pandaminer.

So the fault in this case is more on Microsoft .
They simply could sell single code enterprise instead of a multi number one.

So panda miner is stuck as to selling us an un-activated enterprise windows since it would be really easy to rob the code.
Windows dropped the ball here as they created a setup that a company would want to do what pandaminer did not to be robbed blind on the enterprise code.

Then me or anyone as a consumer gets stuck. Since we need enterprise for 8 gpus to work. And we can not get a single pc activation code.

I have a few friends in large business that have enterprise codes for 500 pcs.  I spoke with one guy and he said his IT people do not like this issue. As the activation code on every pc is the same.  One thief and a lot of pcs can be activated on the down low .
So back to this miner. It is a good miner but we will need someone to make good Linux software.
Here is why  the enterprise activation has issues
this website sells a 5 pc pack with 1 code
So if they lift codes from large companies  most likely this would work for them.
So for pandaminer to have a 500 pc code the ship the miner out  to the world  most likely the code is going to ripped off.

So they said fuck it and simply  bypassed  the large sized code package.
Basically microsoft could fix this by selling 1 or 2 or 3 pc codes for enterprise.

I do not mind paying them  75 bucks for a clean  windows 10 enterprise LTSB  fuck it is so clean  no edge browser no catana no microsoft store and almost no updates  pretty much ideal.