Panda Miner using Pirated KMS activator for WIndows 10?

[nu2mining]

ok so phil cant even figure out if Panda Miner is using a KMS activated copy of WIndows 10?!?!?!?!?!

so ill ask directly to Panda Miner, is it KMS Activated??

does the preinstalled come with a serial number that can be verified with microsoft??

[adaseb]

I am pretty sure they used an "activated" version of Windows 7/8 and just did the free upgrade to a legit copy of Win 10.

[kisk]

I am pretty sure they used an "activated" version of Windows 7/8 and just did the free upgrade to a legit copy of Win 10.

Not likely as they just started building their units at the end of Nov. They would have had to take the free upgrade on each mobo before July 31st as that's when it ended.

[JaredKaragen]

I am pretty sure they used an "activated" version of Windows 7/8 and just did the free upgrade to a legit copy of Win 10.

Not likely as they just started building their units at the end of Nov. They would have had to take the free upgrade on each mobo before July 31st as that's when it ended.

Given they are using their own boards;  Its easy for them to have pre-activated one;  and carried over the same hardware profile specs between machines.

I have still been activating windows 7 machines and doing the 10 upgrade myself the same as when it was free, and activations are sticking and holding.

Try rebooting with an F8 menu and going into the boot-up troubleshooting and seeing if there's an option to restore the previous version of windows.

[kisk]

I am pretty sure they used an "activated" version of Windows 7/8 and just did the free upgrade to a legit copy of Win 10.

Not likely as they just started building their units at the end of Nov. They would have had to take the free upgrade on each mobo before July 31st as that's when it ended.

Given they are using their own boards;  Its easy for them to have pre-activated one;  and carried over the same hardware profile specs between machines.

I have still been activating windows 7 machines and doing the 10 upgrade myself the same as when it was free, and activations are sticking and holding.

Try rebooting with an F8 menu and going into the boot-up troubleshooting and seeing if there's an option to restore the previous version of windows.

Sure, if you activated Win10 with a specific systemID (combination of mobo/cpu/hd specs/serials) then it is valid to fully activate any time in the future. Whether they did that prior to August 2016 for ALLLL the boards in production has yet to be seen -- hense the question the thread is asking: if the pre-installed os on these boxes is truely genuine or if its a re-arm (KMS) hack. It would be fairly easy to spoof "valid" systemIDs for activation but eventually the same systemID is going to get flagged and deemed pirated. Would love to see a dd image of the drive if possible and I'll tell you whether its legit or not.

[philipma1957]

I think it is not a legit activation.

But I am not sure at the moment .

We are going to need some clarification on it.

I am not a coder/software guy.

I have a standard legit windows 10 and I will pull the stock msata out and attempt an install.

The software does have a activation code that does not work at the moment.

Could be due to date change.

The Windows 10 enterprise lbst. Is the most basic version of windows 10. It is stripped of edge browser.

And of Microsoft store.  There are ways to spoof the system if the code is bad.  I do not recommend that.
I also don't know if a new windows 10 install will work.  So for now it could be an issue.

I am awaiting a old school msata as I do not want to erase the included msata.

Once I know I can run the unit with the new msata and a good windows 10 install.

I can be more aggressive fucking with the stock. Msata build.

I did not want to deal with the issue specifically on the review since I will not be able to know for sure about the quality of the windows build until weds or thur at best.


I did some research on windows 10 enterprise lbst builds

The activation code say 12345 can be purchased from Microsoft and every machine in your company will have the same code say 12345.

Your company may purchase a 10 to 500 or more license .

So if I get a machine my code would be 12345 and if the op got a machine he would have a 12345 code and no issue happens until all 500 are used on the code.

Spoofing involves multiple methods.  But. Let's say they are fully honest and did buy a 500 machine code.

Some scumbag got a machine. 25 days ago and uses a code finder program extracts the code and uses it 100 times not once for his one machine.

The other machines have not been activated so I get mine 3 days ago and have an issues switching to,English
So today I get it in English.  And I try to activate my machine. With the provided code and it does not work

Due to an early bird piece of shit that used the code 100 times vs the 1 time they were entitled to!

Well if the code does not work for me the reason above is just as likely as pandaminer tried cheating codes.

I do think there is an issue because my code ends in say 12345.  And I found a tutorial on how to spoof windows 10 enterprise lbst.

In that tutorial they gave a full activation code. And the last set of,numbers are indentical to the code,on my machine.

So did pandaminer use the tutorial or did the tutorial rob pandaminer?

All this does not belong on my review thread at the moment since I do not know why the above occurred.

It does need to be mentioned that the included windows has an issue.  Which I did mention first as stuck in Chinese and then as not allowing activation.  At first I thought it was due to the year change but finding a match of my last numbers and of the online method to spoof is troublesome.

[kisk]

Phil, its very easy to tell. If your current setup has been fully activated as genuine previously then you should be able to reinstall a fresh Win10 and it should activate successfully because of the generated systemID which is saved on the MS activation servers. There are other ways to identify a pirated copy of the OS as well. PM me for more clarification or questions.

As a reviewer I'd think that a properly licensed OS is pretty crucial if you're trying to sell a rig and should be included in any review as to whether the OS is legit or not.

[adaseb]

Phil, its very easy to tell. If your current setup has been fully activated as genuine previously then you should be able to reinstall a fresh Win10 and it should activate successfully because of the generated systemID which is saved on the MS activation servers. PM me for more clarification or questions.

As a reviewer I'd think that a properly licensed OS is pretty crucial if you're trying to sell a rig and should be included in any review as to whether the OS is legit or not.

Given that this is an up and coming new and low budget Chinese company, I highly doubt they invested $100 for a legit copy of Windows 10 on each of their rigs.

Pretty sure in Chinese there are no piracy laws unlike in the US. In the US if a company tried to use pirated software they would be in huge trouble legally with Microsoft.

[kisk]

Phil, its very easy to tell. If your current setup has been fully activated as genuine previously then you should be able to reinstall a fresh Win10 and it should activate successfully because of the generated systemID which is saved on the MS activation servers. PM me for more clarification or questions.

As a reviewer I'd think that a properly licensed OS is pretty crucial if you're trying to sell a rig and should be included in any review as to whether the OS is legit or not.

Given that this is an up and coming new and low budget Chinese company, I highly doubt they invested $100 for a legit copy of Windows 10 on each of their rigs.

Pretty sure in Chinese there are no piracy laws unlike in the US. In the US if a company tried to use pirated software they would be in huge trouble legally with Microsoft.

I don't care either way as I build my own, but if you're a potential buyer of said hardware then you should know whether you're getting a legitimate software package with your hardware. If the software is not genuine then not only are you risking getting flagged but you are also opening yourself up to receiving systems with potential backdoors.

As a programmer I'll tell you it would be extremely easy to ship out a preinstalled system with a backdoor and 99.9% of folks would never know OR EVEN CHECK! Systems/builds like this should be shipped with zero OS imo -- let the miner install their own OS and do their work.

[philipma1957]

Phil, its very easy to tell. If your current setup has been fully activated as genuine previously then you should be able to reinstall a fresh Win10 and it should activate successfully because of the generated systemID which is saved on the MS activation servers. There are other ways to identify a pirated copy of the OS as well. PM me for more clarification or questions.

As a reviewer I'd think that a properly licensed OS is pretty crucial if you're trying to sell a rig and should be included in any review as to whether the OS is legit or not.

Of course it should be included .

But as I pointed out it is an enterprise version and it may be spoofed by one of the customers of pandaminer

Send me a pm.  as I sent one to you.

the windows 10 enterprise version I have  is compromised just not sure that pandaminer did it. or that a customer of theirs did it to them.

[kisk]

Replied..

Yes its an important issue to protect the community. Doesn't matter whether you've been mining for 5 years or 1 day -- this kind of info should be transparent to all!

[philipma1957]

Replied..

Yes its an important issue to protect the community. Doesn't matter whether you've been mining for 5 years or 1 day -- this kind of info should be transparent to all!

yeah  can't tell if pandaminer did this on purpose of if someone use software to lift the key and then passed it out.

But for usa it is not a good copy.

thanks to op for breaking my balls about it  .  but when I finally got it in english  i found it was not activated  I researched codes and kms spoofing

see the review thread.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0


I dont steal micro soft codes.   so I will keep thread locked until I get a new msata and a new windows 10 installed.

So I ordered:

 1 8gb stick of ram
 1 64gb msata ssd
 1 windows 10

all from amazon.

once again my thanks to kisk for checking my evidence on pm
and to nu2mining for pushing on the windows 10 copy as to if it is good.

So once again  it is not good but I am not sure if pandaminer was ripped or it they loaded it that way.

so a legit win 10 is around 70-85 usd.  the ssd and the ram is about 85.

so 170 in upgrades.  thanks to all.

[JaredKaragen]

be sure to keep a copy of the windows inf and driver folders.   This way you have all the preloaded drivers.


At least print out a list of the hardware that's present in the original drive =)

Ill comment this:

Windows 10 utilizes many of those features they removed to update things int he background.

I have personally installed 10x64 on a laptop, and purposefully not activated it.  It serves as my internet connection/router at home in the country (WWAN card).   I ran DWS 10 on it; and it has a 24/7 uptime.   Not once has activation of the OS been an issue.   I have no need to customize the OS past what I mentioned above.   No ill effects.  Interesting that they don't lock you out of the system or networking features over time.

Maybe this info will help others.   I am also wondering if someone will be making a linux image eventually.   I know there's a linux mining os out there....  comes preinstalled with the miner softwares.

[rockyforever]

I am pretty sure they used an "activated" version of Windows 7/8 and just did the free upgrade to a legit copy of Win 10.

Not likely as they just started building their units at the end of Nov. They would have had to take the free upgrade on each mobo before July 31st as that's when it ended.

Wrong.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Link above. "Assistant Technology Providers" can still utilize free upgrades. (I know your first comment will be "but they're not assistance tech providers!" Maybe, if you click on link you can see anyone can use it without proving yourself to one..... boom *mind blown*) In essence it still free to everyone. I have used this option when upgrading from windows 7/8 pirate copies and works. They could have utilized this method but not sure.

[JaredKaragen]

Possibly more useful info:
if the original HDD is activated, you can sign in using your microsoft account and link that license to your account.  when you install a new copy of 10 on a different HDD and link your MS account, there's an option to recover the activation from the original machine.

This may be a viable option rather than a re-purchase of a new copy of 10.

[philipma1957]

be sure to keep a copy of the windows inf and driver folders.   This way you have all the preloaded drivers.


At least print out a list of the hardware that's present in the original drive =)

Ill comment this:

Windows 10 utilizes many of those features they removed to update things int he background.

I have personally installed 10x64 on a laptop, and purposefully not activated it.  It serves as my internet connection/router at home in the country (WWAN card).   I ran DWS 10 on it; and it has a 24/7 uptime.   Not once has activation of the OS been an issue.   I have no need to customize the OS past what I mentioned above.   No ill effects.  Interesting that they don't lock you out of the system or networking features over time.

Maybe this info will help others.   I am also wondering if someone will be making a linux image eventually.   I know there's a linux mining os out there....  comes preinstalled with the miner softwares.

Yeah I am not writing over the oem m2 sata  and I will muddle through it all.

We will also have a linux build I hope.

The unit seems to be able to use an 8gb ram stick vs a 4gb ram stick  ddr3 type.

and I am going to match the ssd with a 64gb ssd.
current cpu

http://ark.intel.com/products/84810/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3215U-2M-Cache-1_70-GHz

most of the cost is the 8  gpus.

it looks like every part can be sourced and replaced other then the mobo as I think it is an oem for pandaminer

So the biggest disappointment is the windows 10 version
the next disappointment is the power on switch.
the final disappointment is the psu they give it may only be a bronze at best it uses quite a bit more power then the evga 1600 g2

adding the 8gb ram stick is not needed.
I am hoping someone just builds a linux usb for this.

[philipma1957]

Possibly more useful info:
if the original HDD is activated, you can sign in using your microsoft account and link that license to your account.  when you install a new copy of 10 on a different HDD and link your MS account, there's an option to recover the activation from the original machine.

This may be a viable option rather than a re-purchase of a new copy of 10.

no as it jumps past the sign in when you boot.

my guess is there is a scrypt  that fires up when you boot brings to a flash view of sign in past it and right to the desktop screen.

Like I said I don't code and pretty much beyond me.

I think waiting for someone that is better at that part of computers is wise for me to do here.

The op here prompted me to look into this and as I live in the USA I certainly do not want to break rules.

what is worse  you can  not buy a code from microsoft  for the enterprise LTSB version.

I will need to let better people take over rather then me f up my gear.

I will show the ram up grade easy peasy.  I will attempt to load  a os on a new msata

[JaredKaragen]

Yeah, I understand for sure.  Its a shitty concern being the customer having to worry about something someone else did.


I downloaded the full ISO from MS when they were offering the free upgrades, and just burned it to a USB pen drive for easy installing.... it was a publically available one.   If I install a copy of 7 or 8, activate it, then install this over it, it always still lets me activate 10... I think as per the reply above mentioned.  But if you are keeping the original drive intact, then you shouldn't have to worry about loosing functionality in the device.

The fact they have windows in test mode means they needed to code their own driver for one reason or another (most likely video  knowing how mobile device manufacturers needed to do it in the past).... so you will almost 100% need to recover one or many drivers off that msata drive for the new OS install...  But who knows for sure till you dive deeper.


I would highly urge the pandaminer manufacturers to just build an ubuntu or debian image with everything installed on that.    It would be the most versatile for an altcoin miner in the end.

[philipma1957]

Yeah, I understand for sure.  Its a shitty concern being the customer having to worry about something someone else did.


I downloaded the full ISO from MS when they were offering the free upgrades, and just burned it to a USB pen drive for easy installing.... it was a publically available one.   If I install a copy of 7 or 8, activate it, then install this over it, it always still lets me activate 10... I think as per the reply above mentioned.  But if you are keeping the original drive intact, then you shouldn't have to worry about loosing functionality in the device.

The fact they have windows in test mode means they needed to code their own driver for one reason or another (most likely video  knowing how mobile device manufacturers needed to do it in the past).... so you will almost 100% need to recover one or many drivers off that msata drive for the new OS install...  But who knows for sure till you dive deeper.


I would highly urge the pandaminer manufacturers to just build an ubuntu or debian image with everything installed on that.    It would be the most versatile for an altcoin miner in the end.

it looks like they used the code from here

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612867.aspx



Appendix A: KMS Client Setup Keys

 
Updated: August 2, 2016
Applies To: Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2
Computers that are running volume licensing editions of Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 8, Windows Server 2012, Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2008 are, by default, KMS clients with no additional configuration needed.
To use the keys listed here (which are GVLKs), you must first have a KMS host running in your deployment. If you haven’t already configured a KMS host, see Deploy KMS Activation for steps to set one up.
If you are converting a computer from a KMS host, MAK, or retail edition of Windows to a KMS client, install the applicable setup key (GVLK) from the following tables. To install a client setup key, open an administrative command prompt on the client, type slmgr /ipk <setup key> and then press Enter.
If you want to…
…use these resources
Activate Windows outside of a volume-activation scenario (that is, you’re trying to activate a retail version of Windows), these keys will not work.
Use these links for retail versions of Windows:
Install, upgrade, & activate (use the menu to the right to select the Windows version you are interested in)
Get a new Windows product key
Genuine Windows Help & How-to
Microsoft Community forum on installation and activation
Fix this error that you get when you try to activate a Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2 or newer system: “Error: 0xC004F050 The Software Licensing Service reported that the product key is invalid”…
Install this update on the KMS host if it is running Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 8, or Windows Server 2012.
If you are running Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows 7, be on the lookout for an update to support using those as KMS hosts for Windows 10 clients.
Windows Server 2016
Operating system edition
KMS Client Setup Key
Windows Server 2016 Datacenter
CB7KF-BWN84-R7R2Y-793K2-8XDDG
Windows Server 2016 Standard
WC2BQ-8NRM3-FDDYY-2BFGV-KHKQY
Windows Server 2016 Essentials
JCKRF-N37P4-C2D82-9YXRT-4M63B
Windows 10
Operating system edition
KMS Client Setup Key
Windows 10 Professional
W269N-WFGWX-YVC9B-4J6C9-T83GX
Windows 10 Professional N
MH37W-N47XK-V7XM9-C7227-GCQG9
Windows 10 Enterprise
NPPR9-FWDCX-D2C8J-H872K-2YT43
Windows 10 Enterprise N
DPH2V-TTNVB-4X9Q3-TJR4H-KHJW4
Windows 10 Education
NW6C2-QMPVW-D7KKK-3GKT6-VCFB2
Windows 10 Education N
2WH4N-8QGBV-H22JP-CT43Q-MDWWJ


Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB
WNMTR-4C88C-JK8YV-HQ7T2-76DF9


Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB N
2F77B-TNFGY-69QQF-B8YKP-D69TJ
Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB
DCPHK-NFMTC-H88MJ-PFHPY-QJ4BJ
Windows 10 Enterprise 2016 LTSB N
QFFDN-GRT3P-VKWWX-X7T3R-8B639


but what they had before it I don't know.

more info here

http://www.howtogeek.com/250503/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-enterprise-without-reinstalling-windows/

[Tmdz]

In China "Intellectual property" does not exist

There's a youtuber I watch that talked about piracy in China.  No one actually has a legit copy of windows there, not only that but it is (almost) impossible to even find a legit windows in China.  That means when people buy a computer, buy windows from a store, work in a office they are all cracked or bypassed activation by some method.  Microsoft has given up trying to sell windows in China and has focused on other products.

So you can most likely safely assume that Windows on this miner from this small Chinese company was never legit, it would actually be weird if it was.  What probably happened is they bought a license from some 3rd party for say 500 machines and now they no longer exist so it wont activate, or they got scammed from the get go on a non working license.

The other thing is.  If you try to explain to them that you think it is not a legal copy of windows...they may not understand the difference due to culture difference.

Other companys in china understand this and if they sell a product like in this case would have Linux so it wont get pulled from the shelves.