Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love?

[Sithara007]

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

OK.. name a single Muslim majority nation, which allows non-Muslims to live like humans. Even the so called "developed" Muslim nations such as Turkey and Malaysia also discriminates heavily against non-Muslims. But Muslim minorities living in Christian nations are very quick to play the victim card.

[valta4065]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

[Spendulus]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

So does terrorism have as a primary motivation the fight for a world wide Caliphate?

[BADecker]

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

True Muslims can't have a peaceful world to live in. The Koran won't let them. Why not, especially when the Koran talks peace among the Muslim brotherhood? Because of this.

The Koran tells Muslims to kill any Muslim who changes his religion. This means that a Muslim can never make a mistake in his religion. If he does, he must fear that his Muslim brothers will think that he is changing religions, and that they should kill him. Not much peace there. But it gets worse.

What if a Muslim doesn't KNOW that he is doing something wrong against his religion. Or what if somebody mistakenly tells him he is doing wrong when he really isn't. In either case, the accuser gets a bunch of other Muslims together, and if they agree with the accuser, they execute their brother Muslim.

The point? There is fear in Islam. On the outside it looks peaceful. But the appearance of peace is only Stockholm Syndrome peace. Down underneath there is fear. No peace in fear.

[bitcoinboy12]

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

True Muslims can't have a peaceful world to live in. The Koran won't let them. Why not, especially when the Koran talks peace among the Muslim brotherhood? Because of this.

The Koran tells Muslims to kill any Muslim who changes his religion. This means that a Muslim can never make a mistake in his religion. If he does, he must fear that his Muslim brothers will think that he is changing religions, and that they should kill him. Not much peace there. But it gets worse.

What if a Muslim doesn't KNOW that he is doing something wrong against his religion. Or what if somebody mistakenly tells him he is doing wrong when he really isn't. In either case, the accuser gets a bunch of other Muslims together, and if they agree with the accuser, they execute their brother Muslim.

The point? There is fear in Islam. On the outside it looks peaceful. But the appearance of peace is only Stockholm Syndrome peace. Down underneath there is fear. No peace in fear.

At times I contemplate on the old days where belief systems and religion are really much more simple. Given what you just said, can we say that those people did not at all experience this chance to have peace.

[valta4065]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

So does terrorism have as a primary motivation the fight for a world wide Caliphate?

Seems so, at least Popcorn1 is putting on an equal feet the kingdoms of West world and the kingdoms of the Middle East.
Would you say that today it's not the contrary? Huge and powerful kingdoms of the West and little Middle Eastern kingdoms attacking the West as "barely a pinprick on the Muslim Capitalistic world".

If you don't think that the West has created its own kingdom you're even more stupid as you seem

[Anarchist]

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

OK.. name a single Muslim majority nation, which allows non-Muslims to live like humans. Even the so called "developed" Muslim nations such as Turkey and Malaysia also discriminates heavily against non-Muslims. But Muslim minorities living in Christian nations are very quick to play the victim card.

Some predominantly Muslim countries allow the practice of all religions. Of these, some limit this freedom with bans on proselytizing or conversion, or restrictions on the building of places of worship; others (such as Mali) have no such restrictions. In practice, the situation of non-Muslim minorities depends not only on the law, but on local practices, which may vary.[citation needed]

Some countries are predominantly Muslim and allow freedom of religion adhering to democratic principles. Of particular note are the following countries:[17]

Indonesia and Malaysia have a significant population from the Hindu, Christian and Buddhist religions. They are allowed to practice their religions[citation needed], build places of worship and even have missionary schools and organizations but with limitation of such practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions

[valta4065]

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

OK.. name a single Muslim majority nation, which allows non-Muslims to live like humans. Even the so called "developed" Muslim nations such as Turkey and Malaysia also discriminates heavily against non-Muslims. But Muslim minorities living in Christian nations are very quick to play the victim card.

So... We should be violent idiotic criminals because they do the same?
Much logic, Wow, Very human

Oh and I could give you a bunch of majority Muslim and oficialy Muslim countries where non-Muslims are treated very well:
-Mayotte: 97% Muslim but you can go wearing Western style clothes without problem at all
-Morocco: 99% Muslims, no real discrimination or violence (at least not more as in our developed countries)
-Indonesia: 90% Muslims, one of the most peaceful countries in the world
-Kuwait: 96% Muslims, even separated in 2 Muslims groups but never had violence linked to religion.

But I guess it's easier to focus on Syria while forgetting that our interventions might not help them become "peaceful".

[Spendulus]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

So does terrorism have as a primary motivation the fight for a world wide Caliphate?

Seems so, at least Popcorn1 is putting on an equal feet the kingdoms of West world and the kingdoms of the Middle East.
Would you say that today it's not the contrary? Huge and powerful kingdoms of the West and little Middle Eastern kingdoms attacking the West as "barely a pinprick on the Muslim Capitalistic world".

If you don't think that the West has created its own kingdom you're even more stupid as you seem

I don't think anything like that is true.  But I recognize that in the foggy, indoctrinated brain of some Muslims they may have conceptualized of "The West" as an entity and actively fight it.  I believe this is objectively false, though, and the result of misconceptions.

Still, if in your indoctrinated mind you see "The Caliphate" and "The OTHER" then you fight or bomb "The OTHER" and arguably it makes sense to the indoctrinated mind.

In that case just don't complain or play victim when "The OTHER" comes done on you like a hammer on a nail.

[popcorn1]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

That was hundreds of years ago ..

Well not as stupid as your argument though ..

My argument is that all the crusades were stupid ..Especially over something that's not there?..
And i asked you would you not agree?..Now lets see who the stupid person is ..

TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION..Is it not stupid?..Now ask yourself WHY..
BECAUSE NOTHING THERE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS ..

So if my argument is stupid then so be it..But i will understand why we don't get on ..
You believe in fairy tales i don't put the 2 together WAR ..

[Spendulus]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

That was hundreds of years ago ..

Well not as stupid as your argument though ..

My argument is that all the crusades were stupid ..Especially over something that's not there?..
And i asked you would you not agree?..Now lets see who the stupid person is ..

TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION..Is it not stupid?..Now ask yourself WHY..
BECAUSE NOTHING THERE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS ..

So if my argument is stupid then so be it..But i will understand why we don't get on ..
You believe in fairy tales i don't put the 2 together WAR ..

The Koran specified a Crusade.  The takeover of the world.

[valta4065]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

So does terrorism have as a primary motivation the fight for a world wide Caliphate?

Seems so, at least Popcorn1 is putting on an equal feet the kingdoms of West world and the kingdoms of the Middle East.
Would you say that today it's not the contrary? Huge and powerful kingdoms of the West and little Middle Eastern kingdoms attacking the West as "barely a pinprick on the Muslim Capitalistic world".

If you don't think that the West has created its own kingdom you're even more stupid as you seem

I don't think anything like that is true.  But I recognize that in the foggy, indoctrinated brain of some Muslims they may have conceptualized of "The West" as an entity and actively fight it.  I believe this is objectively false, though, and the result of misconceptions.

Still, if in your indoctrinated mind you see "The Caliphate" and "The OTHER" then you fight or bomb "The OTHER" and arguably it makes sense to the indoctrinated mind.

In that case just don't complain or play victim when "The OTHER" comes done on you like a hammer on a nail.

Could we just put things in the right order?

It's "THE OTHER" that attacked "The Caliphate" first to take your terms.

Not only USA though, if they're probably the most to be blamed they're certainly not the only one.

So don't play the card of the victim attacked by some terrorists.

In fact, the most funny thing is that as an American you both financed those terrorists AND created the weapons they're using. Not you personally of course (statistically at least).

[valta4065]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

That was hundreds of years ago ..

Well not as stupid as your argument though ..

My argument is that all the crusades were stupid ..Especially over something that's not there?..
And i asked you would you not agree?..Now lets see who the stupid person is ..

TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION..Is it not stupid?..Now ask yourself WHY..
BECAUSE NOTHING THERE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS ..

So if my argument is stupid then so be it..But i will understand why we don't get on ..
You believe in fairy tales i don't put the 2 together WAR ..

I'm sorry I can't discuss with you :/

It's not that I don't want but I actually don't understand what you write.
Please if you want to discuss seriously use less smiley and take care of your structure and grammar.
It's really hard to follow, especially when English is not the native language of who you're talking with. I understand proper academic English, not the one you talk in the street :/

[popcorn1]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

That was hundreds of years ago ..

Well not as stupid as your argument though ..

My argument is that all the crusades were stupid ..Especially over something that's not there?..
And i asked you would you not agree?..Now lets see who the stupid person is ..

TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION..Is it not stupid?..Now ask yourself WHY..
BECAUSE NOTHING THERE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS ..

So if my argument is stupid then so be it..But i will understand why we don't get on ..
You believe in fairy tales i don't put the 2 together WAR ..

The Koran specified a Crusade.  The takeover of the world.

They wont take over shit ..Not in the 21st century..1000 years ago maybe but never now ..

They can try ..IRAQ 6 WEEKS TO WIPE IT OUT ..
Also they don't remember when all the japs got rounded up do they..
Just might end up doing the same again if they carry on ..

We could put them in camps and make them peddle on a big bike to generate our electricity
1000s of muslims peddling like fuck to make electricity  ..

[popcorn1]

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

That was hundreds of years ago ..

Well not as stupid as your argument though ..

My argument is that all the crusades were stupid ..Especially over something that's not there?..
And i asked you would you not agree?..Now lets see who the stupid person is ..

TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION..Is it not stupid?..Now ask yourself WHY..
BECAUSE NOTHING THERE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS ..

So if my argument is stupid then so be it..But i will understand why we don't get on ..
You believe in fairy tales i don't put the 2 together WAR ..

I'm sorry I can't discuss with you :/

It's not that I don't want but I actually don't understand what you write.
Please if you want to discuss seriously use less smiley and take care of your structure and grammar.
It's really hard to follow, especially when English is not the native language of who you're talking with. I understand proper academic English, not the one you talk in the street :/

Ok proper English..

Do you not think it's stupid to fight over something that's not there?..

Any way i think you work for ISIS ..

not the one you talk in the street  ..Yes i am..So i don't go back in my home and change my voice ..

[asahi]

very funny on how people debate about this islam. And how rude they are promoting their religion with guns.
Yeah that's peace and love.

[Spendulus]

very funny on how people debate about this islam. And how rude they are promoting their religion with guns.
Yeah that's peace and love.

I had not thought of that.  You're correct.

[popcorn1]

We could put them in camps and make them peddle on a big bike to generate our electricity
1000s of muslims peddling like fuck to make electricity..

Anybody want to invest?..It's a good idea ..
Arr elon musk will..
Just think of all the electric cars that could run of muslims peddling like fuck ..
We wont kill them ..Just sweat the islam out of the muslims till it's gone..

The more they believe the more they peddle ..WIN WIN situation  .

Hmm BADECKER do you want to test it out first ..
If it wont go from Badecker it wont go from a muslim  ..

But on a serious note..
The more they do stupid acts of terror the more people hate religion ..
So if you religious folks have an agenda? it's not working it's making people turn away from religion..
Unless you got a gun pointed at your head we in the west have a choice ..

The muslims don't and are jealous of our way of life?.Yes you are because from birth your made to believe in ISLAM .

And in most Islamic countries it could get you killed for not believing in ISLAM.
I.E for not doing what the koran tells you to do can get you killed?.

Now i hope ISLAM is banned in the west Yes it's simple no mosques allowed .
If you don't like it go to a country that will let you go to a mosque.

BAN Churches you hear from muslims?..OK If mosques can go i am willing to ban churches too.

How does that sound. BUT you also ban mosques in every country because we in the west have everyone from every where ..

Now see how fair i am ..

Would you all agree that religion for many a year as caused so much trouble?.
WELL LETS STOP IT..HOW?..FUCK RELIGION OFF  ..

I mean we all need money to survive?..
So if god is not going to come down and give us all free money then what's the point in believing in something so powerful he cannot do a simple thing as that..

Years ago i never needed money i just went out and built a home and hunted for food.
It was 200 BC but it was a lot easier then loads of buffalo were i lived..
Now in the year 2017 AD kids want all these gadgets mortgage car petrol university very stressful.

But can you imagine the children of tomorrow they are already in debt and they are not even born YET

Hmm so the super rich thought lets turn them into MUSLIMS and they wont need nothing?..
They will work for peanuts and we can tax them..
Then go home and pray..You pray to wish to die to live in the next life?..For virgins
That's how shit this life is too them.
I am not surprised you work for fuck all ..

So maybe that's why these fucking horrible politicians flooded our lands with MUSLIMS..
Just a thought but a good one that could be true.

That was Clintons plan to control us all like the saudi kings do ..
Turn the west into muslims and make us slaves to a book ..
But really slaves to them ..

Now i am going to sleep  :-*off with my tinfoil till next time..

Lets get one thing straight the muslims I.E ISLAM is trying to take over the world..
And saudi money is used to buy our politicians  ..THAT'S THE TRUTH ..

Free energy will make it go away..Free money will calm everyone down  ..
Only solution no other ..

So that's all folks

[Spendulus]

We could put them in camps and make them peddle on a big bike to generate our electricity
1000s of muslims peddling like fuck to make electricity..

Anybody want to invest?..It's a good idea ..

Be nice.

[sidodadii]

my opinon, dont talk islam if you not learn islam, when you study Islam, you will know what Islam is like