Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love?

[Hazir]

I found that women are oppressed in some Muslim states. I would say brainwashed even, to think that they have no rights.
It is far worse than situation of women during Middle Ages in Europe was. Officially "Islam wants men and women to develop".
But in case of women Islam wants to turn them into slaves, a nice development indeed.


See this news. It is a story of two women volleyball players fight for their right to compete outside Iran:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-bulgaria-volleyball-idUSKBN1521PG

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[mainpmf]

To make it fair do the same in Texas, take an old Christian family and takes one member.
Do the same. Says that you're converted to Islam.
See their "Christian love and tolerance" 

Cant say I have heard of many honor killings carried out by Christians lately, same cant be said for some other religions.

I say this as an athiest.

That's because no one cares about Christianity atrocities
Check a bit what's happening in Soudan.
Islam and Christianity are doing the same: killing thousands of people in the name of religion.

Bah.  Dream on.  Muslim atrocities last week, 27 countries.  3000 dead a month.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Islam owns terrorist activities.

Not what was asked.
Please refer to previous post before posting something unrelated.

[Spendulus]

To make it fair do the same in Texas, take an old Christian family and takes one member.
Do the same. Says that you're converted to Islam.
See their "Christian love and tolerance" 

Cant say I have heard of many honor killings carried out by Christians lately, same cant be said for some other religions.

I say this as an athiest.

That's because no one cares about Christianity atrocities
Check a bit what's happening in Soudan.
Islam and Christianity are doing the same: killing thousands of people in the name of religion.

Bah.  Dream on.  Muslim atrocities last week, 27 countries.  3000 dead a month.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Islam owns terrorist activities.

Not what was asked.
Please refer to previous post before posting something unrelated.

I did.  Nothing "was asked." 

You made an assertion, religion X and religion Y as being the same. 

I countered your argument rather easily.

[Balthazar]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1753129.msg17534862#msg17534862

[Docnaster]

We cannot over generalize a certain race. All people are born with feelings and emotions some just tend to have problems in controlling theirs. We may not know that the true terrorists attacks are really from them, we may not know that it was just an order by a person that was superior to them. The Islam race may be different from you but that doesn't mean that they are bad or evil. We still have to respect them for we are all equally made in this world.

[Balthazar]

We cannot over generalize a certain race.

Islam is not a race, period. Generally, it's just a mental illness.

The Islam race may be different from you but that doesn't mean that they are bad or evil.

Oh it's not just different. It's really bad and evil, hostile to any modern society.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNjG-N1XtY

 Just open your eyes and set yourself free from liberastic propaganda, and you will see that. For example, some thoughts about urine, prostitution and slavery:

https://youtu.be/X1EnQHmvkaU

We still have to respect them for we are all equally made in this world.

It's based on force and lies. Spread by the violence, deceiving and threats. For any reasonable person it's not ok to respect someone who considers him an idiot.

There are some progressive teachings in Islam, such as Sufism. But most of muslims have stuck in the Middle Ages.

[Spendulus]

We cannot over generalize a certain race. All people are born with feelings and emotions some just tend to have problems in controlling theirs. We may not know that the true terrorists attacks are really from them, we may not know that it was just an order by a person that was superior to them. The Islam race may be different from you but that doesn't mean that they are bad or evil. We still have to respect them for we are all equally made in this world.

The point of this thread is not to have you assert things such as "We still have to respect them" but to have you substantiate an argument such as that.

[darkseid1199]

The only person who repeatedly calls Islam a Religion of Peace is Obama, I haven't heard any islamic cleric or high ranking islamic person defend the religion. Islam is a devilish religion. full of hatred and violence first against Jews and anyone who supports them.Now they are waging way against Europe.

[Sithara007]

There are some progressive teachings in Islam, such as Sufism. But most of muslims have stuck in the Middle Ages.

Sufism evolved out of Islamic interactions with the oriental religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism.etc). Some people regard Sufism as a mixture of Islam and Pre-Islamic religion. Perhaps that is the reason why it is progressive.

[Dizaster2015]

There are some progressive teachings in Islam, such as Sufism. But most of muslims have stuck in the Middle Ages.

Sufism evolved out of Islamic interactions with the oriental religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism.etc). Some people regard Sufism as a mixture of Islam and Pre-Islamic religion. Perhaps that is the reason why it is progressive.

He is a progressive because he has not received such mass character of Any religion requires a lot of believers. Religion lives at the expense of sponsors and appreciate the parishioners. The Islamists have spared neither his people nor the others.

[bitcoinvestor]

If you know Islam started from the first Human "Adam"

ROFL. So the first human being was a Muslim? Show some evidence to prove your claim. Was he circumcised? Did he prayed five times a day? I would believe you if you could show me the remains of the mosque, where he offered prayers.

The character of A muslim is praying for only One God. Adam Prays for Allah, Noah prays for Allah, Abraham prays for Allah, Moses prays for Allah, Jakub prays for Allah, Jesus prays for Allah, and Muhammad prays for Allah. Now, All people who prays for Allah only are muslims.

[Leprikon]

If you know Islam started from the first Human "Adam"

ROFL. So the first human being was a Muslim? Show some evidence to prove your claim. Was he circumcised? Did he prayed five times a day? I would believe you if you could show me the remains of the mosque, where he offered prayers.

The character of A muslim is praying for only One God. Adam Prays for Allah, Noah prays for Allah, Abraham prays for Allah, Moses prays for Allah, Jakub prays for Allah, Jesus prays for Allah, and Muhammad prays for Allah. Now, All people who prays for Allah only are muslims.

That's it for this approach and no one likes Muslims. Islam does not accept any other religion and atheists. This is the most aggressive religion in the world. I believe that it is necessary to ban this religion not all countries where the attacks occur.

[LittleBitFunny]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

[CC-Resurgam]

Islam is no more about hate and death then the bible, but people tend to see what they want to see.

the koran or Qu'ran is the holy book of Islam, however if you study religion you will know that every monotheistic religion has the exact same events, the exact same teachings, and in many cases believed to be the exact same god, just perceived by different cultures. in other words Alah is God, the hat shown by some radical Islamic terrorists is the same as the hate shown by those who are christian. even their convert or die scheme, it is very reminiscent of the Spanish crusades.
therefore their radicalism is like the westboro baptist church, drastically misinterpreting the holy book to support their agenda.

the koran states Chapter 3, verse 172, of the Koran: "Of those who answered the call of Allah and the messenger, even after being wounded, those who do right and refrain from wrong have a great reward."

in Chapter 2, Verse 190: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors." which states never attack, but defend with your lives. only fight those who come to you with war.

in Chapter 5, Verse 32: "f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people." which states that if you kill someone who has not killed, you have killed the sanctity of humanity.

in chapter 8, Verse 61: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace."

the Quran finds all life sacred, and teachers the people who believe in other religions are also worthy of alah, but will go to hell unless they believe before they die.
sounds an awful lot like the bible.

so is Islam about peace and love? or hate and fear? you can ask the same question of Christians. but just because some are hateful doesn't mean all are. because some kill in the name of their god doesn't mean all do.

The purpose of religion is so people can feel that their life has meaning, because without religion we feel empty, if there is no god then there is no reason to life. and that scares us. so because people put their faith in religion as a meaning for their actions does not mean that they are not still filled with hate and fear. and we all know that causes violence and death. if someone wants to kill they will find a reason to do so. whether it be through "self defense" or "religion" or "military action" they will find a reason to kill.

[Aikonio]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

Easy to talk about liberal topics when it does not concern you. Do you tell Christians who live in Syria or tell those Europeans whose relatives died in the terrorist attacks, and unable to tell the victims of the September 11 attacks!

[Daniel91]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

[Aikonio]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

[Spendulus]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

[varyspro]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

I don't know very well the history, but it seems to me that the Muslims captured the Western area. It seems to me that using the Crusades to impose Christianity on the surrounding areas. Isn't that right?

[squatz1]

I feel Islam as a whole is a religion of peace, but a large number of terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims in places where Muslims are the minority anyway like the United States. People will always default to saying "No, Muslims didn't even commit as many attacks as Caucasians in the US" well yes they didn't but they committed a good amount of attacks based on the percentage of population they hold in the United States.

It's something that Islam has to look at and see what is causing this, because most Muslims I know are nice people but they get a bad reputation because of all this.