Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love?

[Sithara007]

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

Last time, it didn't worked out that well for them. They (Ottoman Empire) invaded Europe, and tried to impose the Islamic culture on the Europeans. The native males were forcibly recruited in to the Ottoman army, while the most beautiful native women were shipped to Anatolia, to serve in the harems of ugly Turks. Eventually, the natives drove off the Muslim invaders (with the help from the Russian Empire).

This time, they are trying a different approach. Now it is an indirect invasion through the demographic Jihad.

[mainpmf]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

Lol
Sure! Muslims started all this!
Clearly they were the first invaders.
What? The Christian Roman Empire? What is that? 

Get back to History classes man. Muslims took the opportunity of the fall of the CHRISTIAN roman empire to take back the lands that romans conquered.

[yuiyuga]

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

Last time, it didn't worked out that well for them. They (Ottoman Empire) invaded Europe, and tried to impose the Islamic culture on the Europeans. The native males were forcibly recruited in to the Ottoman army, while the most beautiful native women were shipped to Anatolia, to serve in the harems of ugly Turks. Eventually, the natives drove off the Muslim invaders (with the help from the Russian Empire).

This time, they are trying a different approach. Now it is an indirect invasion through the demographic Jihad.

Now is not the Turks and Syrian migrants captured European countries. Europe itself takes them to yourself and not resist. I'm afraid that if they will behave like barbarians, it can cause the growth of fascist ideology in Europe.

[bryant.coleman]

Now is not the Turks and Syrian migrants captured European countries. Europe itself takes them to yourself and not resist. I'm afraid that if they will behave like barbarians, it can cause the growth of fascist ideology in Europe.

If this was happening in the 1930s or the 1940s, then I could have agreed with you. But the younger generation of the Europeans have been completely brainwashed by the leftist-liberal propaganda. Those who resist this brainwashing is branded as extremists and harassed by the left-wing nuts. There will be not much of a reaction, even if the Muslims behead natives in the open.

[Klima]

Now is not the Turks and Syrian migrants captured European countries. Europe itself takes them to yourself and not resist. I'm afraid that if they will behave like barbarians, it can cause the growth of fascist ideology in Europe.

If this was happening in the 1930s or the 1940s, then I could have agreed with you. But the younger generation of the Europeans have been completely brainwashed by the leftist-liberal propaganda. Those who resist this brainwashing is branded as extremists and harassed by the left-wing nuts. There will be not much of a reaction, even if the Muslims behead natives in the open.

It only seems that way at first glance. Actually in Europe now a lot of supporters of extreme right-wing movements. The Europeans are beginning to resist the resettlement of migrants and very soon it will end.

[LittleBitFunny]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

OK, I respect this view, but I would argue that the Bible and Qur'an both have mixed messages.  For example, in Revelations of the New Testament it says that non-believers will perish in the "lake of burning sulphur [hell]".  I believe that this shows intolerance and I find that many Christians decide to ignore swathes of the Bible, even the entire Old Testament, to match their beliefs.  I would rather that these Christians just identified as monotheists, because they do not follow the precise views expressed in the Bible but rather their own view of the world.

[LittleBitFunny]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

Easy to talk about liberal topics when it does not concern you. Do you tell Christians who live in Syria or tell those Europeans whose relatives died in the terrorist attacks, and unable to tell the victims of the September 11 attacks!

Most victims of jihadist terrorist attacks are on Muslims, from one small group of Muslims to other, larger groups of Muslims.  Daesh/ISIS's goal is to unite Muslims in a battle against Christianity therefore one of their major goals is to attack Muslims who do not share their beliefs.

My argument here is that fighting a war against Muslims is a poor idea because Muslims are victims themselves.  If they feel victimised by Christians they may turn to extremism themselves, just as Christians feeling victimised has lead to neo-Nazis and the "alt right" which usually wage war on Muslims.

[BTCSpearo]

I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.

[Spendulus]

I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.

Interesting idea, to listen to the junk on audio book rather than try reading it.

[pseexh]

I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.

I don't believe in any God, but it seems to me that Islam is the most aggressive religion in the world at the moment. I am sure that this could not be left unpunished. It is better to ban Islam in the countries that suffer the most from Muslim terrorists.

[Sithara007]

It only seems that way at first glance. Actually in Europe now a lot of supporters of extreme right-wing movements. The Europeans are beginning to resist the resettlement of migrants and very soon it will end.

The support levels usually stagnate at 10% to 15% (Germany, Netherlands.etc), or at 25% to 30% (France, Austria.etc). The far-right is unable to cross that threshold. That means that they will never come to power.

[mainpmf]

I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.

Interesting idea, to listen to the junk on audio book rather than try reading it.

Oh Spendulus, you're still here?
One could wonder why you haven't reacted to the fact that, again, one of your "affirmation" has been debunked as being another nonsense.
But I guess that's just because you didn't see the answer.

You couldn't be wrong on something could you? xD

[mainpmf]

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

Last time, it didn't worked out that well for them. They (Ottoman Empire) invaded Europe, and tried to impose the Islamic culture on the Europeans. The native males were forcibly recruited in to the Ottoman army, while the most beautiful native women were shipped to Anatolia, to serve in the harems of ugly Turks. Eventually, the natives drove off the Muslim invaders (with the help from the Russian Empire).

This time, they are trying a different approach. Now it is an indirect invasion through the demographic Jihad.

Dude wtf?
It's like you're saying they're actually invading us in an organized way xD
Maybe the explanation is elsewhere no?
Maybe the explanation COULD be that they're leaving poor invaded countries (invaded by who? That's an interesting question) to get to rich peaceful ones.
What's so incredible about that? Wouldn't you do the same?

[Dizaster2015]

Who and that I wasn't told but I have my eyes there. Most terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims. In addition, the laws that exist in Muslim countries have nothing to do with the rules accepted in the civilized world.

[Xester]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

I think it is not the misinterpretation of the book that had lead to crusades and jihad. Those things in history has different situation with us today and so we cannot use history as our reference to the conflict that is happening today. The conflicts today are cause by half asses Christians and Muslims, by this it means that they are baptized muslim and christian but are not religious followers of the doctrines and the book. If they are religious people then they will know that Islam and Christianity is a religion of peace and love and not of terrorism and hate.

[Leprikon]

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

I think it is not the misinterpretation of the book that had lead to crusades and jihad. Those things in history has different situation with us today and so we cannot use history as our reference to the conflict that is happening today. The conflicts today are cause by half asses Christians and Muslims, by this it means that they are baptized muslim and christian but are not religious followers of the doctrines and the book. If they are religious people then they will know that Islam and Christianity is a religion of peace and love and not of terrorism and hate.

It seems to me that since religion was involved in politics of the world have fallen to terror. Religion makes people fanatics, and fanatics are easy to control. Muslims now went on the attack and why such a large number of Muslims terrorists.

[Spendulus]

Female headteacher is forced to work from home following death threats from Muslim parents over her 'offensive clothes' amid fears there is a 'Trojan Horse' plot to 'Islamicise' the school

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4239352/Muslim-parents-sent-school-headteacher-death-threats.html

According to an Oldham council report, seen by The Sunday Times, she wrote that she had a 'very strong reasons to believe that . . . a "Trojan Horse" agenda [is] being played out'. 

And the head teachers' union, the NAHT, said it was 'supporting a number of members in the Oldham area with a variety of apparent Trojan Horse issues'.

The council report says the school's 2013 parent-governor Nasim Ashraf hosted 'Islamic teaching sessions' at the school while his wife, Hafizan Zaman, 'made remarks to Asian staff members that they should be wearing a veil and covering their heads'.

They took exception to Hindi music being played in class, were angered by sex education and were accused of intimidating staff and undermining the headteacher.

The report said they tried to mobilise parents to 'secure changes at the school to reflect their interpretation of Islam' but did not suggest they were involved in the violent threats.

Ashraf's sister Shasta Khan is serving eight years in jail for plotting to attack Jews in Manchester.
A section of Clarksfield school's website titled British values only reads: 'coming soon'

A section of Clarksfield school's website titled British values only reads: 'coming soon'

She's friends on Facebook with Tahir Alam, the architect of a similar 'Trojan Horse' plot on several schools in Birmingham in 2014.

In the plot activists launched a campaign to oust headteachers using dirty tricks such as spreading false allegations and packing governing bodies with their supporters. 

Tahir Alam and Razwan Faraz were part of the 'Park View Brotherhood' of teachers, which exchanged some 3,000 messages in a WhatsApp group, including offensive comments about British soldiers, the Boston Marathon bombings and the murder of soldier Lee Rigby.

Mr Faraz, a former deputy headteacher of the Trojan-Horse linked Nansen Primary School, is under an interim teaching ban, while Mr Alam was banned from any involvement with schools by the Department for Education (DfE).

Clarksfield Primary's Chairman of Governors Saima Kausar and Mrs O'Donnell declined to comment.

Ashraf denied any Trojan Horse plot but said he wanted to remove Mrs O'Donnell because the school was failing.

A spokesman for Oldham council, cabinet member for education Amanda Chadderton, said: 'We take any allegations about our schools very seriously. The report into an Oldham primary school found no basis to the "Trojan Horse" allegations.'

[Sithara007]

Female headteacher is forced to work from home following death threats from Muslim parents over her 'offensive clothes' amid fears there is a 'Trojan Horse' plot to 'Islamicise' the school

Hard to believe that this is happening in the United Kingdom. Now I am assured that the Western Europe is lost without any chance of a redemption. It is only a matter of time before the Eurabian Caliphate is established.

[mainpmf]

Funny how you're revolted by Muslims trying to change the society to adapt it to their moral values...

That's the duty of a citizen...
It's not because you're lazy fucks taking the society you live in for granted that everyone is the same :/

You disagree? Then fight that. Muslims are about 5% of UK population and you're not even able to protect your vision of society?

[Spendulus]

Funny how you're revolted by Muslims trying to change the society to adapt it to their moral values...

That's the duty of a citizen...
It's not because you're lazy fucks taking the society you live in for granted that everyone is the same :/

You disagree? Then fight that. Muslims are about 5% of UK population and you're not even able to protect your vision of society?

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/15093631.Father_forced_to_move_after_renouncing_Islam_calls_for_more_action_on_hate_crime/

 A MAN who claims he was forced to move house after renouncing his faith wants authorities to crack down on hate crime

Fasial Bashir, decided to stop practicing Islam in the summer of 2014 over claims the religion was too “hateful” and “sending out the wrong message”.

But when the 43-year-old stopped going to mosques in Ilford he claims he started getting harassment on a weekly basis.

The father-of-two said: “I heard religious people say things I couldn’t put up with any longer – it was all too hateful.

“These people knew I had become an atheist and soon enough my whole family was being harassed.

“At least once a week they would hang around near my house, shouting and swearing at me.

“I was called an apostate, a non-believer, I was told I had betrayed my God and my faith.”

“Sometimes they would even say things to my children – they are far too little to know what was happening, they were very frightened.”

Mr Bashir claims he would often call the police, but was told it was “just a nuisance” and was not a police matter until it was reported at least twice a month.

He said: “They always said they couldn’t really do anything because no physical altercation ever took place.

“But I’m not the kind of person to get violent with anybody.

“Also, it was always different people so they claimed they couldn’t log it as similar complaint.

“Eventually a police officer told me I should just move house to get away from it all.”

The mobile mechanic moved from Connaught Mews to Mayville Road with his wife, 11-year-old daughter, and eight-year-old son in June 2015.

He said: “We weren’t left with any other choice......