Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love?

[Spendulus]

Please look that the views of Islamic nations on Israel. A large number of Muslim nations does not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign nation. That tells a lot about the tolerance of these people.

Yeah those intolerant little bitches!
How can they not agree on Israel?
I mean, sure we never asked them their opinion about having such peaceful neighboors
Sure we decided to create a new country here without really thinking about future consequences

But they should accept that!
They should accept OUR decision! As WE know and they don't.
Intolerant freaks 

No one created a new country all of a sudden. Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews, and therefore after the WW2 it was decided to resettle the surviving Jews there. To accommodate the Arabs, Israel was partitioned in to two, with more than 80% of the area being allotted to the Muslim state (Jordan).

I disagree. See here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

From what I understand, while Israel was established, the unprovoked land grab that was the 6 day war is the reason for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. And subsequent settlement of internationally disputed territory. Not saying they didn't have the right to feel threatened. But they threw the first stone, this is historical fact.

FYI, "unprovoked land grab" does not correctly describe the events.  When a nation mobilizes for war, the evidence of it is obvious.  That's what Egypt was doing.

After the war, Israel was willing to cede almost all of the newly acquired land in a peace agreement.

But  these  hopes  were  dashed  in  August  1967  when  Arab  leaders  meeting in Khartoum  adopted a formula of three noes: “no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=68

[GreenBits]

I apologize. I will admit that landgrab was a strong an incorrect term. I reviewed your document (about 40 of the 400 pages). I will start off by saying the text is a bit biased towards Israel. Now, I differ with the description of the escalations leading up to the war. War was not inevitable at that point. I will admit that Arab forces did mobilize troops in advance of Israeli response. But was that response valid? We stood off with a nuclear super power (Russia) during the Cold War without a single shot fired. We came very close to war. and honestly, some of the covert shit that transpired is patently an act of war. But no one struck. Despite the posturing, despite the threats, we persisted without conflict.

So, I'm not mad at any country acting out in its self defense. You don't have to explain to me why a religious minority might feel threatened surrounded by hostile neighbors. But they cast the first stone. and despite how we may disagree about the origins of the conflict, can we not agree that the illegal settlement by Israel is a slap in the face of good faith peace efforts by both parties? How would you feel if an international court said you get to keep your land, but a foreign, invading government insisted on building permanent structures in said land, and housing its citizens there?

And let's talk about the escalation of force. Every time a rocket is fired at Israel, despite it's overwhelming military superiority, the response is highly escalated. rocket at Israel = throwing a rock at a behemoth. No casualties when the rock hits its mark, but the mortar that comes back is certain to take a life. Same with Palestinian extremist. They don't tend to get arrested, they tend to get killed. You live by the sword, you may die by the sword. I have no problem with that, I am a student of the Sword myself. The far right leaning Congress represented in Israel ATM is entirely too nationalistic. Given that the 6 day war happened and is not going to change, what is Israel going to do about its settlement issue? Clearly develop said properties in defiance of international opinion? Establish an apartheid? Because if the settlements do not stop, this conflict cannot be resolved.

And let me be.clear. this is not one sided. Israel has suffered many abuses at the hands of its neighbors. Many abuses that should not have been tolerated. But now that they have gained the upper hand (we cannot argue this), will they be the bigger man, as all our shared faiths dictate, or will they stew in spite and nationalistic pride?

While the faults of the situation may well indeed be Arab aggression, will Israel ever be the bigger man? Is that not what our common father (Abraham) has taught us? We have forgotten our fathers face. And that's all of us, Jews, Muslims, and Christians. That Israel has won , essentially, will they act like a leader instead of an enemy? We will never spread the Lord's message divided like this. Do you think the current state of affairs in Israel, is a godly course of a godly people? Because I see an extreme government/ideology that is hindering the path to peace.

Your thoughts?

You may feel some kind of way about an Arab. I don't. When I meet my maker in Heaven, I will have to answer for my deeds and words. I'll be damed if I am denied the Kingdom because I had hate in my heart for someone that  Ivdon't even fuck with on a daily basis. What I'm trying to say is, Israel's reaction to Arab aggression in the region has been over the top. We understand you don't like your neighbors. That's cool. But be civil about the shit. You don't get to subjugate someone just because you are are occupying them

[youdamushi]

Please look that the views of Islamic nations on Israel. A large number of Muslim nations does not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign nation. That tells a lot about the tolerance of these people.

Yeah those intolerant little bitches!
How can they not agree on Israel?
I mean, sure we never asked them their opinion about having such peaceful neighboors
Sure we decided to create a new country here without really thinking about future consequences

But they should accept that!
They should accept OUR decision! As WE know and they don't.
Intolerant freaks 

No one created a new country all of a sudden. Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews, and therefore after the WW2 it was decided to resettle the surviving Jews there. To accommodate the Arabs, Israel was partitioned in to two, with more than 80% of the area being allotted to the Muslim state (Jordan).

So if all Amerindians and their heirs decided to take 20% of USA and the whole world said "yeah USA do that" you would be ok with it?

[Spendulus]

I apologize. I will admit that landgrab was a strong an incorrect term. I reviewed your document (about 40 of the 400 pages). I will start off by saying the text is a bit biased towards Israel. Now, I differ with the description of the escalations leading up to the war. War was not inevitable at that point. I will admit that Arab forces did mobilize troops in advance of Israeli response. But was that response valid? We stood off with a nuclear super power (Russia) during the Cold War without a single shot fired. We came very close to war. and honestly, some of the covert shit that transpired is patently an act of war. But no one struck. Despite the posturing, despite the threats, we persisted without conflict.

So, I'm not mad at any country acting out in its self defense. You don't have to explain to me why a religious minority might feel threatened surrounded by hostile neighbors. But they cast the first stone. and despite how we may disagree about the origins of the conflict, can we not agree that the illegal settlement by Israel is a slap in the face of good faith peace efforts by both parties? .....

"illegal settlement?"

You realize what you are talking about is just regular commercial housing developments, right? 

Why don't your beloved Palestinians do some of their own regular commercial housing developments?

[Sithara007]

So if all Amerindians and their heirs decided to take 20% of USA and the whole world said "yeah USA do that" you would be ok with it?

Two wrongs don't make a right. What happened to the native Americans (not just in the US, but also to those in Mexico and the other Latin American nations) was genocide. I support the establishment of Oklahoma as an Amerindian sovereign territory. It is their land.

[tetrisbattle]

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

[Spendulus]

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Okay, maybe 49% are violent.

[Sithara007]

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Okay, maybe 49% are violent.

OK... Just 49% are violent. But the remaining 51% supports this violence, and offers them all the necessary help. But even if not all of them are violent, how can you make sure that only the non-violent ones are immigrating to the western nations?

[Lancusters]

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Do you think this is enough? Millions of them! If 500,000 of them will commit acts of terrorism then imagine what it would cause chaos! Do you think that they deserve loyalty? I think not. For me they are not worth even one life of innocent victims of terrorist attacks.

[BADecker]

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Do you think this is enough? Millions of them! If 500,000 of them will commit acts of terrorism then imagine what it would cause chaos! Do you think that they deserve loyalty? I think not. For me they are not worth even one life of innocent victims of terrorist attacks.

Yep! We don't want to nuke them. The fallout would devastate all Europe, even if we nuked only the formal ME Islamic lands.

[darkangel11]

They should make a genetically modified virus that targets radical Islamists
Maybe one day their attacks will become so common that it will create an incentive among the scientists to create some sort of a weapon to dispose of this vermin.

The only love they have is to violence and dead man's switches.

[Spendulus]

They should make a genetically modified virus that targets radical Islamists
Maybe one day their attacks will become so common that it will create an incentive among the scientists to create some sort of a weapon to dispose of this vermin.

The only love they have is to violence and dead man's switches.

Bad things to wish for.

How about talking them out of their psychotic beliefs?

[Sithara007]

How about talking them out of their psychotic beliefs?

Extremely risky, and not worth the time and effort. The last time when someone did that in Russia, he got killed. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sysoev

If things like this can happen in a 85% Christian nation such as Russia, imagine what will happen if you do the same in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

[JofryTheKing]

How about talking them out of their psychotic beliefs?

Extremely risky, and not worth the time and effort. The last time when someone did that in Russia, he got killed. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sysoev

If things like this can happen in a 85% Christian nation such as Russia, imagine what will happen if you do the same in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Violence breeds violence. To fix the situation, we need to look for other ways to solve the problem. If we destroy those who we do not like, it will only set each other against each other.

[Spendulus]

How about talking them out of their psychotic beliefs?

Extremely risky, and not worth the time and effort. The last time when someone did that in Russia, he got killed. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sysoev

If things like this can happen in a 85% Christian nation such as Russia, imagine what will happen if you do the same in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Violence breeds violence. To fix the situation, we need to look for other ways to solve the problem. If we destroy those who we do not like, it will only set each other against each other.

Buddy, while you are talking that way, there are guys out there fighting ISIS.

And they doing it with violent means, because that is what is required.

[mainpmf]

How about talking them out of their psychotic beliefs?

Extremely risky, and not worth the time and effort. The last time when someone did that in Russia, he got killed. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sysoev

If things like this can happen in a 85% Christian nation such as Russia, imagine what will happen if you do the same in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Violence breeds violence. To fix the situation, we need to look for other ways to solve the problem. If we destroy those who we do not like, it will only set each other against each other.

Buddy, while you are talking that way, there are guys out there fighting ISIS.

And they doing it with violent means, because that is what is required.

American way of thinking:
"If your bombs haven't solved your problems kid, it's that you haven't used enough bombs yet"

It sure has proven efficient in your history

[mainpmf]

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Okay, maybe 49% are violent.

OK... Just 49% are violent. But the remaining 51% supports this violence, and offers them all the necessary help. But even if not all of them are violent, how can you make sure that only the non-violent ones are immigrating to the western nations?

By closing borders you can be sure that ONLY the violent ones cross your borders.
Because peaceful ones will be less likely to risk their lifes than the crazy terrorist ones :/

And you think you can close your borders efficiently... Then think again xD

[Sithara007]

By closing borders you can be sure that ONLY the violent ones cross your borders.
Because peaceful ones will be less likely to risk their lifes than the crazy terrorist ones :/

And you think you can close your borders efficiently... Then think again xD

Yes. The borders can be closed effectively. Look at Israel, which is neighboring Syria. Why hasn't any of the immigrants from Syria gone to Israel? Israel has shown to the world how to defend itself against the immigrant invasion.

[Spendulus]

By closing borders you can be sure that ONLY the violent ones cross your borders.
Because peaceful ones will be less likely to risk their lifes than the crazy terrorist ones :/

And you think you can close your borders efficiently... Then think again xD

Yes. The borders can be closed effectively. Look at Israel, which is neighboring Syria. Why hasn't any of the immigrants from Syria gone to Israel? Israel has shown to the world how to defend itself against the immigrant invasion.

Right.  Of course borders can be closed.  Just try to sneak into Saudi Arabia.

[popcorn1]

We need to stop Islam from spreading  even the ants have converted ..

Video for Ants convert to islam▶ 2:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=askPkbm6Z-k