Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love?

[Guzztsar]

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

This is true. No doubt, only a minority who choose to act in such a way. Even so, thats a huge problem.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

I also hearded about a verse that say to stay peaceful when in minority, then, exterminate the enemy when in majority.
(I couldn't find this verse, so i don't know if it really says that.)

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[gabmen]

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

This is true. No doubt, only a minority who choose to act in such a way. Even so, thats a huge problem.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

I also hearded about a verse that say to stay peaceful when in minority, then, exterminate the enemy when in majority.
(I couldn't find this verse, so i don't know if it really says that.)

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them. I think its going to be the same. There will be those who would want to divide people according to religion. I don't believe a bit that a large group of muslims would seek to harm non muslims. I've stayed in a muslim community for quite a time and we talk about their religion and mine and the similarities and differences but not once did they let me feel im different from them or any animosity between us

[Sithara007]

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them.

There are well over a hundred Christian nations in the world and in everyone of them, Muslim minorities are living peacefully, without facing any persecution. But the reverse is not true for any of the 50+ Muslim nations.

[Spendulus]

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them.

There are well over a hundred Christian nations in the world and in everyone of them, Muslim minorities are living peacefully, without facing any persecution. But the reverse is not true for any of the 50+ Muslim nations.

Side note:  The Islamic "Caliphate" represents a sort of religious Utopia.  Men have conceived of and written down rule sets for many utopias, I have an entire book on these concepts.  None of these have ever worked, and none of them ever has.

If we conceive of the "Islamic Caliphate" as a flawed concept, although well meaning, of a utopia, then the matter is clarified.  The Muslim nations attempt to implement their utopia, and the nations and the people then suffer.

[Yanisumin]

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.

Im not a muslim and Im not protecting them, I'm just explaining the statement of position. What the extremist are doing is really bad and immoral and violating the nature of life. Im not sure what is the seed of all of these conflicts killing and war. What we know is that were all human that forgotten our own humanity. Sad.
Isnt governments a home for the people of the countries that is losing their way? I cant see that these days. Religion is not just the problem here.

[Userperson321]

Islam IS a religion of violence and exercises force to convert people of kill them, but people won't accept that because everyone is in denial and just want to ignore the almost weekly terrorist attacks in Europe from Muslims.

[Spendulus]

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

Political change is a function of the militant minority, not the large silent majority.

I think most reading this thread understand perfectly well the large silent majority of Muslims (who MAY BE donating to Hamas, CAIR and other terrorist organisations) and the extremist minority of Muslims.

This is no different than wartime. One nation invades another. Say 10% of it's entire population is soldiers. 90% of the soldiers are doing supply, logistics and other necessary functions. 10% of the soldiers are on the front line. 10% of 10% is 1%.

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Please do not present the argument "99% of that country is good peaceful people."

It's a blatant, complete lie.

[Sithara007]

Islam IS a religion of violence and exercises force to convert people of kill them, but people won't accept that because everyone is in denial and just want to ignore the almost weekly terrorist attacks in Europe from Muslims.

The Muslims have played the victim card so effectively, and they have efficiently used their collective bargaining power. In the western nations, it is OK to abuse any other religion. But if you say anything against Islam, then get ready to go to jail.

[youdamushi]

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Every time you write something you make every one reading you losing brain cells.

What you says is not only false, it's a perfect nonsense.
If it was 1% of the population that fought trying to invade another country then there wouldn't have been any invasion in history... Apart maybe when the invaded country is 100 times smaller.

As usual you try to compare things that can't be compared and you fail to use any kind of logic...

I just invite you to pick a war, whatever the war, see the number of soldiers and compare it to the actual population.

[Spendulus]

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Every time you write something you make every one reading you losing brain cells.

What you says is not only false, it's a perfect nonsense.
If it was 1% of the population that fought trying to invade another country then there wouldn't have been any invasion in history... Apart maybe when the invaded country is 100 times smaller.

As usual you try to compare things that can't be compared and you fail to use any kind of logic...

I just invite you to pick a war, whatever the war, see the number of soldiers and compare it to the actual population.

Why?

Consider France, invaded by Germany in 1940. Population was 39,000,000.
360,000 dead or wounded and 1,900,000 troops captured.  Total was 2,260,000.

Germany had 3,350,000 troops and 163,000 dead or wounded, IIRC they had about 80 million people in 1940.

[Mometaskers]

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

Political change is a function of the militant minority, not the large silent majority.

I think most reading this thread understand perfectly well the large silent majority of Muslims (who MAY BE donating to Hamas, CAIR and other terrorist organisations) and the extremist minority of Muslims.

This is no different than wartime. One nation invades another. Say 10% of it's entire population is soldiers. 90% of the soldiers are doing supply, logistics and other necessary functions. 10% of the soldiers are on the front line. 10% of 10% is 1%.

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Please do not present the argument "99% of that country is good peaceful people."

It's a blatant, complete lie.

The problem sir is that the majority "moderates" don't seem moderate at all. These people would support any movement to install Sharia - even if they are living in non-Muslim countries. Funny since changes like those would basically change the host country to look like the country they just fled.

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

This is true. No doubt, only a minority who choose to act in such a way. Even so, thats a huge problem.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

I also hearded about a verse that say to stay peaceful when in minority, then, exterminate the enemy when in majority.
(I couldn't find this verse, so i don't know if it really says that.)

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

[Sithara007]

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

[v1ryspro]

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them.

There are well over a hundred Christian nations in the world and in everyone of them, Muslim minorities are living peacefully, without facing any persecution. But the reverse is not true for any of the 50+ Muslim nations.

Yes, Muslims live peacefully, if there are a majority of Christians around them. But the opposite does not work

[Alexzap]

Dictatorship has its own policy, you can see what is happening in North Korea, Turkey and Syria. They chose to solve problem of their own country without intervention of other countries. Big mistake of USA is intervention in Iraq, after Saddam Hussein was killed, Iraq became country that constantly perform a civil war that's endless. You didn't notice?

In some instances a dictatorship is preferred to democratic rule. When the people are brainwashed and retarded, democracy doesn't really work. In such instances, military rule is better.

Why did you choose dictatorship? Maybe enough to pay more attention to education and to toughen the punishment? Dictatorship exists in almost all Muslim countries and this is not helping the fight against terrorism.

[Guzztsar]

Another aspect of the islam : Seek carnal pleasures afterlife.
I don't follow any religion, but this seems pretty inappropriate.

[Mometaskers]

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.

[Marcus_2017]

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.

All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

[Spendulus]

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.

All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

Thank the American Frackers.

I'd correct the above to add Iraq as a major exporter of radical Islamic terrorism.

[Lancusters]

It seems to me that alternative energy sources are not specifically implemented not to cause an international incident. In Arab countries there is nothing but oil. How will they earn a living? They'll just stay go to capture the territory suitable for life or die.

[Sithara007]

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

This has happened in my area as well. The Muslims in my country were quite normal people a few decades back. They were well integrated to the general population. But everything changed once the Saudi money started flowing.