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November 05, 2017, 04:48:40 AM
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You guys should have a more permanent option.
I for one would love to start a vm on Vultr but due to their deanonymizing, I would like some other options..
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November 05, 2017, 11:37:45 AM
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You guys should have a more permanent option.
I for one would love to start a vm on Vultr but due to their deanonymizing, I would like some other options..

You can launch a 28 day server and then renew it every 28 days with the "topup" command. Can be a cron job or use `at`.

Here's an example of that: https://github.com/sporestack/launch.sporestack.com/blob/master/renew.sh

Thank you for your reply.

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December 13, 2017, 04:39:41 AM
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SporeStack now accepts Bitcoin Cash: https://sporestack.com/news#2017-12-12

Migrating for Python 3 for the SporeStack library/CLI is recommended  but not mandatory at this time.

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December 13, 2017, 04:54:23 AM
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SporeStack now accepts Bitcoin Cash: https://sporestack.com/news#2017-12-12

Migrating for Python 3 for the SporeStack library/CLI is recommended  but not mandatory at this time.

I know Shapeshift supports but I do not know if they have an API you can integrate to, but wouldn't it be good to accept Ethereum as well? Has good prices and fast network confirmations. You can (as I mentioned, if possible) integrate through Shapeshift so you can get paid in BTC/BCH anyway.

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December 13, 2017, 05:09:36 AM
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SporeStack now accepts Bitcoin Cash: https://sporestack.com/news#2017-12-12

Migrating for Python 3 for the SporeStack library/CLI is recommended  but not mandatory at this time.

I know Shapeshift supports but I do not know if they have an API you can integrate to, but wouldn't it be good to accept Ethereum as well? Has good prices and fast network confirmations. You can (as I mentioned, if possible) integrate through Shapeshift so you can get paid in BTC/BCH anyway.

It is definitely possible. I had Dash or Monero as the next one on my roadmap, but Ethereum is another option.

I'll look into ShapeShift's API more and see if it can work for this. Bitcoin Cash was the most natural next coin to add. Now that I'm supporting two currencies, others should be much easier down the road.

I think ShapeShift would have to wait for at least one confirmation so it'd be quite a bit slower. It'd be much easier to work with if I can make a SporeStack payment token or internal credit system of some kind.

Thanks for replying!

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March 29, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
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SporeStack now accepts Bitcoin Cash: https://sporestack.com/news#2017-12-12

SporeStack accepts (and prefers) Bitcoin Cash

2017-12-12

We highly recommend switching over to Bitcoin Cash as soon as possible for SporeStack use.

Well, this is unfortunate.  I’ve quietly had my eye on Sporestack for over a year, with an eye toward future projects.  As an all-Tor, all-the-time ghost in the.nym.zone with no means of payment other than Bitcoin, it seemed well suited to me.  But I’m prudent in saving my bits; and I did not have an urgent need for a VPS.  Thus, I simply checked in every few months to see the latest developments—and now, when I have a potential immediate need for service.

FYI, pushing the agenda of Bitcoin distorters and their kakocracy will exclude Bitcoin zealots as your potential customers.  Case in point:  Me.

I’d say good-bye at this point, but I am curious:  If fees were the problem, as stated on the Sporestack website, then why didn’t you add Lightning Network support?  LN mainnet became active soon after you started “highly [recommending]” fake-Bitcoin.  Come to think of it, I may soon need some means to anonymously set up a Lightning node in the cloud.

I’m also curious as to whether your recommendation still holds when with Segwit addresses, for almost two months now, I’ve been paying fees sometimes as low as 1 sat/B (!), never higher than 5 sat/B.

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April 02, 2018, 04:04:48 PM
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SporeStack now accepts Bitcoin Cash: https://sporestack.com/news#2017-12-12

SporeStack accepts (and prefers) Bitcoin Cash

2017-12-12

We highly recommend switching over to Bitcoin Cash as soon as possible for SporeStack use.

Well, this is unfortunate.  I’ve quietly had my eye on Sporestack for over a year, with an eye toward future projects.  As an all-Tor, all-the-time ghost in the.nym.zone with no means of payment other than Bitcoin, it seemed well suited to me.  But I’m prudent in saving my bits; and I did not have an urgent need for a VPS.  Thus, I simply checked in every few months to see the latest developments—and now, when I have a potential immediate need for service.

FYI, pushing the agenda of Bitcoin distorters and their kakocracy will exclude Bitcoin zealots as your potential customers.  Case in point:  Me.

I’d say good-bye at this point, but I am curious:  If fees were the problem, as stated on the Sporestack website, then why didn’t you add Lightning Network support?  LN mainnet became active soon after you started “highly [recommending]” fake-Bitcoin.  Come to think of it, I may soon need some means to anonymously set up a Lightning node in the cloud.

I’m also curious as to whether your recommendation still holds when with Segwit addresses, for almost two months now, I’ve been paying fees sometimes as low as 1 sat/B (!), never higher than 5 sat/B.

Hi,

My switch to Bitcoin Cash was made out of necessity. Bitcoin was not scaling, TX fees were over $50 for the most basic at a point. I had wallets with $100 worth of Bitcoin that were unspendable from TX fees being so high. As I was paying for my own servers in Bitcoin through SporeStack, I found that I was spending way over the few dollars a week in fees for that transaction, then when any actually made it to my wallet they were unspendable.

Unspendable, meaning the TX input cost more to add to a transaction and spend. Bitcoin's scaling issues completely broke SporeStack as a business model. Customers had to spend huge amounts to get a server just in TX fees and even after that, I made nothing and ultimately was just taking losses. It kind of crept up on me like I'm sure it did for many Bitcoin users.

At that point, I saw Bitcoin Cash as the easiest currency to add support for. So I forked ofek's bit to bitcash and spent weeks getting it going (well, not weeks just for it, I had explored other avenues earlier). So I have worked fairly intimately with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash at the acceptance layer. In day to day use, Bitcoin Cash has simply been a Bitcoin that's scaled successfully.

I was thinking about dropping Bitcoin because I was losing money on it. Eventually, I plan to add TX fees to the price so I make just as much money on either and the user can choose based on cost/convenience. At the moment, Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash are about equivalent as volume and Bitcoin price has plummeted.

Here, I won't get into Bitcoin Cash vs Bitcoin further than that. I can say that SporeStack is still running today and even accepting Bitcoin today, because of Bitcoin Cash. And having two mostly equivalent currencies is nice in case one blockchain is saturated, you can work on the other.

I should now remove the Bitcoin message, but at the time it was highly relevant. Mempool was 150+MiB, Bitpay put $100 minimums at a point, it was really bad.

About Lightning Network, I did not know it was live at all on Bitcoin. I thought it was still in beta and "6 months out" as I've always heard. The little I know about Lightning is that it is not trivial to integrate. I would like to add it maybe not for main payments but for settlement payments, at least for now. I built SporeStack to be stateless so accepting payments is very unusual in how it works. There's a lot of particular things about the design which don't lend for immediately adopting new things like LN. That said, I think it shows promise and I want to look into it. But if you're saying it was ready and so easy to add, why weren't Bitpay, Coinbase, and others all supporting it when the network needed it the most?

I haven't used Segwit addresses yet. Fees for me have been very low, usually 30 satoshis/byte which is probably more than I need. For Bitcoin Cash, it's been steady at about 4 satoshis/byte (could do just 1), and mempool has only filled up a couple times. At such low rates I don't care too much about the fees, it's more when they are 300-900 satoshis per byte that it starts to be a huge deal.

Speaking of the settlement thing I mentioned earlier, I have added a way to credit into an account and then build servers from that. It's not complete, but most of the work is done. That way supporting other currencies is easier, along with less fees for lower amounts. But the bread and butter of SporeStack is anyong being able to pick up a Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash mobile wallet, scan a QR code, and get a server.

You're welcome to use SporeStack for your Lightning Node. I understand some people view the Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash situation very politically. I have to look at each as a utilitarian function for business and trade. I've read Satoshi's whitepaper and I'm sure you have as well.

Also, when I pushed the change for Bitcoin Cash, almost all of my customers switched to it immediately. Server counts did not go down. I did not have a single complaint until one asked for CashAddress support, which I added.

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April 24, 2018, 07:58:35 PM
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Hello, Teran,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  It’s rare to see such discussion.  I apologize for the delayed response.

Although I don’t know how Sporestack works internally, Lightning is actually ideal for your business model.  Your concern isn’t too clear, but I infer you think there is some need of per-customer accounting state.  If so, no, this is not the case.  It is not necessary to have a payment channel open with each customer.  You simply present customers with single-use Lightning payment requests which can encode much useful information, including the amount and the request expiration time.  Payment requests are designed to be embedded in QR codes, though you need a bigger QR code area than you do for a Bitcoin address.  This can be used by any customer who can find a route to your node (rather like the Internet itself).  Payments are source-routed; and there has been extensive work on onion-routing (exactly in the Tor sense).

Lightning overall keeps less state than on-chain transactions, insofar as the only global and/or permanently immutable state is in channel open/close transactions on the blockchain; information on individual payments is local and, if desired, somewhat ephemeral.  Also, you never really know where a payment is coming from, which should suit you fine.

Otherwise stated, Lightning will indeed support this business model:

But the bread and butter of SporeStack is anyong being able to pick up a Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash mobile wallet, scan a QR code, and get a server.

Moving money respectively onto or off of your Lightning channels to fund a channel or “cash out” onto the blockchain is conceptually not too different than moving money between hot and cold wallets.  If you already run a Core node, clightning will work with that, too.

I may have more to say on these matters.  I do like your business model.  Yet to start with, I simply wanted to clarify about Lightning Network.

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August 24, 2018, 08:56:32 AM
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Hi everyone,

I am announcing the public beta of SporeStack V2. SporeStack V2 is provider agnostic and hosts between three different companies. In some ways it is a step backwards in terms of ease of use, launch profiles, lack of Tor discount, etc. But there is a lot new and good about it, and a lot more potential to grow. The overhaul is long overdue. V1 is still live but will encourage migration to V2 and any comments on what you might require for such a migration.

The sporestack-python library has been updated and the pip installable ships with a "sporestackv2" runnable. Feel free to email me with any questions you may have.

https://sporestack.com/news#2018-08-23

https://api.sporestack.com/v2/404 (API documentation)

https://github.com/sporestack/sporestack-python/tree/master/sporestackv2

Thanks for following along. It's been a great ride with SporeStack.

-Teran

PS: Nullius, thank you for your reply. I need to give you a proper reply some day. I appreciate the conversation and insight.

PPS: We have a few unannounced features, including settlement tokens (like reloadable tokens, instead of doing crypto transactions every time), and organization listing if you'd like a degree of support.

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August 24, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
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great work dude

i follow you from start and your service is one of the best


i like too zeit/now.sh but your service is similar Smiley

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