A Heroin Store

[Anonymous]

<begin rant<You cant compete with the largest drug gang .Police,politicians,prison authorities and the legal system all are dependent on the drug war staying in place.This is why the drug dealers support prohibition and are often the biggest political donators because it props up their prices and their profits.There is also the human failure in that the police/feds turn your customers by using torture and/or other coercion methods.Better to pay off the local mafia reps and then get a green light for your operation lol.This is also why goldman sachs and BP gave so much support to Obama now it is paying off in spades.Did you say pay 20 billion into escrow which can be claimed as a tax break reducing your income and thus reducing your tax bill?

They send in unmanned drones to kill their competition in Afghanistan while using soldiers to protect the poppy fields and collect the end products.Under the taliban the drug fields were reduced to nothing and now with protection they supply the US drug needs from it.You can see the lengths they go to in  efforts to thwart competition to this power structure.

Bribing politicians and the police is easier than coming up with ways to avoid their detection methods.As it was with Al Capone so it goes for any other dealer in prohibition products.You can do everything completely legally and still they will pin something on you or swat your house for the fun of it all because of nothing more than "suspicion".I dont wish to rain on your parade but years of state brainwashing hides the fact that they are a gang with a monopoly on force.They will shut you down and the populace will cheer them on because they have been told their entire lives that this behaviour is legitimate.They might even get medals when they shoot your pets or children.>


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[Babylon]

well, leaning on your customers wouldn't work, since they don't know anything about you except for a webpage.  And ending prohibition would be something you would not want to happen, because it would destroy your profit margins and replace your business with something legal and convenient.  I don't disagree with the rant, but I do think it is fairly irrelevent to the topic at hand.

[eugene2k]

Can anyone see a way to attack the store?

Hacking always seems to work.

[kiba]

I don't like people with a heroin store bringing heat on bitcoin users. Leave the heroin store to the criminals(for now), and focus on selling goods and services that's less harmful to its users and will easily pass right through policemen and politicians.

[bitcoinex]

I don't like people with a heroin store bringing heat on bitcoin users. Leave the heroin store to the criminals(for now), and focus on selling goods and services that's less harmful to its users and will easily pass right through policemen and politicians.

What is something you do not cyberpunk!
Shadow economy - the foundation of stability

[kiba]

I don't like people with a heroin store bringing heat on bitcoin users. Leave the heroin store to the criminals(for now), and focus on selling goods and services that's less harmful to its users and will easily pass right through policemen and politicians.

What is something you do not cyberpunk!
Shadow economy - the foundation of stability

Build the shadow economy on something else other than police attracting goods and services. They're not going to attack shadow lawn mowing services, at least not at first.

[throughput]

You could build an anonymous trust system by combining some aspects of BitCoin with a web of trust. In this system, anyone would be able to send as many "trust coins" as they want to other identities, but how many of these transactions you view as valid would depend on who you trust in the network. You might say that certain identities can send unlimited coins, while others can send up to 50. No identity would have an objective balance -- the balance would be determined entirely by how you process the public list of transactions.

There are two problems with that system.

1. Reputation is a number with global context, which it's not at all.
2. I must trust other's trust, whom I don't trust (don't know their motivation to trust somebody).

All systems with a reputation as a number, which is equally valuable to every participant, will fail.
They do not represent a reputation, they represent something other than that.
Reputation is not an additive value, really.

But that is not the subject of the topic.
Let's talk about heroin, you may sell the idea to Afganistan peasants, educate them and they will operate safely
from their native environment with armed security forces and totally invulnerable from US law enforcement, US army or US whatever.
And let the secure delivery of goods be their problem, not this forum's.

[skull88]

I don't like people with a heroin store bringing heat on bitcoin users. Leave the heroin store to the criminals(for now), and focus on selling goods and services that's less harmful to its users and will easily pass right through policemen and politicians.

What is something you do not cyberpunk!
Shadow economy - the foundation of stability

If you would sell weed, mushrooms, dmt, haya, xtc, even coce I could understand.
But heroïn? you guys have to be joking right? I don't think someone who uses heroïn really will use something like bitcoin. How will he pay after sold his computer to pay for his addiction? shadow economy ok, heroïn, wouldn't associate bitcoin with it.

But it would be nice if I could pay with bitcoins in the coffeeshop or smartshop, and it would be even more perfect to deal with transactions between the coffeeshop and the grower. Because no grower who delivers to a shop, really sticks to the legal growing limits, so get payed with a payment system that isn't traceable is of course always a positive asset.

[bitcoinex]

I don't like people with a heroin store bringing heat on bitcoin users. Leave the heroin store to the criminals(for now), and focus on selling goods and services that's less harmful to its users and will easily pass right through policemen and politicians.

What is something you do not cyberpunk!
Shadow economy - the foundation of stability

If you would sell weed, mushrooms, dmt, haya, xtc, even coce I could understand.
But heroïn? you guys have to be joking right?

Using it for four years. Without addiction. Recommend.

I don't think someone who uses heroïn really will use something like bitcoin. How will he pay after sold his computer to pay for his addiction? shadow economy ok, heroïn, wouldn't associate bitcoin with it.

But it would be nice if I could pay with bitcoins in the coffeeshop or smartshop, and it would be even more perfect to deal with transactions between the coffeeshop and the grower. Because no grower who delivers to a shop, really sticks to the legal growing limits, so get payed with a payment system that isn't traceable is of course always a positive asset.

Do you have a bias towards heroin-addicted. Not all of them are the weak.
And libertarianism and bitcoin will enable them to live normally

[ichi]

OK, how about an "online pharmacy" that accepts bitcoin?

[Anonymous]

Its only illegal if they find out about it 
If you are going to do such a thing keep it to yourself and your clients!

[throughput]

Using it for four years. Without addiction. Recommend.

You guy just using the wrong recipe.

Tы пpocтo нe yмeeшь eгo гoтoвить.

[skull88]

Using it for four years. Without addiction. Recommend.

Congrats for being the first recreational heroin user.
I don't know where you live, but if they have testcenters there, I would let hem test your heroin.

Do you have a bias towards heroin-addicted. Not all of them are the weak.
And libertarianism and bitcoin will enable them to live normally

No, I have nothing against heroinaddicts, I have something against drugs that can't be used recreationally. The drug itself is not that unhealthy, but the addiction will kill you, unless you have a lot of cash.
I can't understand why someone ever would want to use heroin but if you want to use it, go ahead. As long as it doesn't hurt others, do what you want to do . If you want to sell or buy heroin with bitcoins, go ahead. But like noagendamarket said, keep it for yourself and the people involved with it. You don't do bitcoin a favour by discuss it here. You are not convincing the mainstream to use bitcoin with topics like this one. Go to your friendly neighbourhood dealer and see if he accept bitcoins and if not, go have a good talk with him.

[grondilu]

When a letter is suspicious, it is searched.  Police is capable of noticing letters sent to the same address during regular time intervals, with a significatif weight.

Don't try to send illegal stuffs via mail.  You will certainly get cought.

[teppy]

I addressed this in my original post: The seller maintains a list of both customers and innocent people. When a customer places an order, identical packages go out to both him, and a randomly selected innocent. The innocent list is equal in size to the customer list, so that receiving regular shipments of heroin fails to even meet a "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

My guess is that if we don't want to be advertised as "drug dealers" and "money launderers" by all the governments, we should stay away from such a buisness.
Or perhaps try to avoid doing it for at least few years, until bitcoin becomes mainstream.

Of course while saying this, I'm perfectly aware of that people will do otherwise, so i don't really know if there was point in saying it at all...

[grondilu]

I addressed this in my original post: The seller maintains a list of both customers and innocent people. When a customer places an order, identical packages go out to both him, and a randomly selected innocent. The innocent list is equal in size to the customer list, so that receiving regular shipments of heroin fails to even meet a "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

Just don't do that, seriously.  You'll end up in jail.

Trying to fool the police and send drugs by many different ways have been a regular activity for criminels for decades.  Police and gansters have gained much experience in this domain.  I very much doubt you have any real original idea.  And what for ?  Do you really want to send drug that much anyway ?  Can't you think about better things to do as a hobby ?

[skull88]

I addressed this in my original post: The seller maintains a list of both customers and innocent people. When a customer places an order, identical packages go out to both him, and a randomly selected innocent. The innocent list is equal in size to the customer list, so that receiving regular shipments of heroin fails to even meet a "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

I'm with the guy above me. You'll never get away with this.

And if you really want to sell drugs, I would suggest sticking to softdrugs, at least you'll stay out of jail and get away with a small fine or some community services. So redecorate your basement, nice white on the walls, make it cosy with some 600W hps lamps and make sure clean air is flowing in and out, and enjoy some gardening. 
Ok maybe it earns less than heroin, you still earn enough with it. Only drawback, you got to live in the right country for growing and your customers got to live in the right country for buying it. Else the whole you won't go to jail story won't work.

[ploum]

Sending heroin to random people ?

This is insane. If you are caught, you will end up with spending the rest of your life in prison (just imagine that some kids find your package).

I've always said that drugs kill your brain. It seems I'm mostly right in your case. The fact that you seem proud of it says it all.



As a side note, being brand new on this forum, I'm kind of uncomfortable with topics discussing how to use bitcoins to bypass the law. The fact that the law is good or not is debatable but completely unrelated with bitcoin. I really think that, in order to build a good image, bitcoin should not allow public discussing on "how to bypass the law with bitcoin". This is public relation. Just imagine a journalist that hear about Bitcoin and, the first thing it finds is people talking about setting a drug store or laundering money.

This is not about morality. We all have different morality so we have to stick on one common ground. I propose to use laws as this common ground (which are, in this area, essentially the same in most countries).

For example, I believe that talking about porn is fine because it is legit. What if someone talked here about setting up a child porn website ?

[FreeMoney]

Sending heroin to random people ?

This is insane. If you are caught, you will end up with spending the rest of your life in prison (just imagine that some kids find your package).

I've always said that drugs kill your brain. It seems I'm mostly right in your case. The fact that you seem proud of it says it all.



As a side note, being brand new on this forum, I'm kind of uncomfortable with topics discussing how to use bitcoins to bypass the law. The fact that the law is good or not is debatable but completely unrelated with bitcoin. I really think that, in order to build a good image, bitcoin should not allow public discussing on "how to bypass the law with bitcoin". This is public relation. Just imagine a journalist that hear about Bitcoin and, the first thing it finds is people talking about setting a drug store or laundering money.

This is not about morality. We all have different morality so we have to stick on one common ground. I propose to use laws as this common ground (which are, in this area, essentially the same in most countries).

For example, I believe that talking about porn is fine because it is legit. What if someone talked here about setting up a child porn website ?

So you are worried that if some people (A) discuss doing something that some other people (B) don't like then B will hurt some other people (C) and you want A to change their behavior, not B?

If the admins of this site want people to not talk freely, then I'll talk somewhere else no problem. But the reaction of "Don't talk  about that, you'll get us all in trouble" is terrible imo. Maybe we could discuss ways not to get any of us hurt by violent people instead.

Maybe if more journalists ran into people saying "Violence is wrong" more of them would print revolutionary shit like that.