Lauda/TMAN extortion attempt

[Quickseller]

-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.  

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Bullshit. There was no intention to "gather evidence". This was not the first time that Lauda has tried to extort someone. All that the "witnesses" did was participate in a conspiracy to extort zeroaxl.

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[shorena]

-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.  

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"

[stereotype]

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions.

At best, compromised. First by Lauda, then possibly Theymos.

Just wondering how that conversation goes, between Theymos and the BCT board/committee members......
"Guys, in keeping with our ability to allow and facilitate wide ranging ways to scam and defraud our many users, my mods have been busy creating a new feature. Its a bit like vigilantism, and blackmail, but without all that wishy-washy knowledge, experience, and integrity bullshit, getting in the way.                                            Guys?"

[Spoetnik]

I would not care what VOD thinks ..he has proven countless times to be a liar and REALLY childish.
I was just commenting after him as he negged some guy for posting a Keylogger in off-topic with source code.. a couple days ago.

Way back.. I had him following me around for ages Trolling on me with personal attacks in the Altcoin section way back.
And coincidentally either before after Lauda posted too.. with him in tandem backing him up.
Then there is the matter of his negative rating bullshit he pulled on me.
Triggered best i can tell by a joke about people from Alberta.
I think he's an idiot and a MASSIVE hypocrite himself.. he evades the rules when ever it suits him then parades around lecturing people handing out mass neg's to anything not bolted down.

More importantly is the shit i brought up.
Where is Lauda ? No comment here ? WTF ?
What was the extortion attempt details.
Was Lauda fired or not ?

Those for example were asked by me and others and we were all ignored as cocky know it all's here who think they are hot shit on DT banter back & forth arguing over the definition of words.

By all means lets' loiter around casting judgment and re-interpreting the meaning of English words but can we get the damn story put on the table first so we know what we are even talking about ?

Those that know are coming here and reading this then deliberately staying tight lipped as a few of you rail on bickering about the definition of extortion etc.
..or railing on whining that Quickseller is guilty of things.
And frankly i couldn't care less.. unless his past wrong doing *alleged was linked to an agenda of his to post this topic.
And i do not see that.
I see finger pointing that amounts to a diversion.
While the REAL TOPIC is buried.

I prob won't even check this again..
I can see the people who could post worth while comments on it are being silent.
I can't think of any way to force them to speak up so.. coming back to this is a waste if my time.
Why should i come back here ? To hear about VOD's opinion on a hypothetical situation ?
Gimme a break the guy is fucking retarded and out of control around here.

Most of you commenting seem to have a good head on your shoulders and seem balanced with judgement.
But i sure as hell don't think VOD falls into that category.

What does VOD think ? Who gives a shit !

[gorgon666]

Was Lauda fired or not ?

To me, it is obvious he was fired.

Blazed still has Lauda within his trust list, and this makes Blazed look like he thinks a self-admitted extortionist should be trusted by everyone. In my book, this means Blazed is not quite as trustworthy as he presents himself to be.

[stereotype]

Was Lauda fired or not ?

To me, it is obvious he was fired.

Nope. Blackmail, extortion, and mob rule, lives on....... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872

[Dyatrev]

those guys some kind of gang which stay at dt and using this for blackmailing users and i think they are sharing profit from those blackmails till they got caught and they are backing each other after getting caught fucking shits

[shorena]

-snip-
More importantly is the shit i brought up.
Where is Lauda ? No comment here ? WTF ?

We talked via PM and they told me why they dont post here. I would act differently, but its their decision.

What was the extortion attempt details.
Was Lauda fired or not ?

I dont know, but I think so.

By all means lets' loiter around casting judgment and re-interpreting the meaning of English words but can we get the damn story put on the table first so we know what we are even talking about ?

Those that know are coming here and reading this then deliberately staying tight lipped as a few of you rail on bickering about the definition of extortion etc.

I think the archives posted by QS in the OP are quite clear, dont you?

What does VOD think ? Who gives a shit !

I do. Whatever you think of Vod, they are part of the DT network and have been as long as I can remember. Vods ratings are not going to disappear anytime soon.

[StarofBTC]

those guys some kind of gang which stay at dt and using this for blackmailing users and i think they are sharing profit from those blackmails till they got caught and they are backing each other after getting caught fucking shits

I don't know if everything said here is correct or not. but you can't blame or can't say that there is a proper DT gang doing all these blackmailing.
do you have any other reference of proof where they attempt to blackmail others?

[gorgon666]

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

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[Vod]

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.

[stereotype]

-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.  

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"

Were these questions rhetorical, and/or have you managed to answer them yourself?

[gorgon666]

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

[Timelord2067]

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror... 

[feinter]

Interesting discussion.. for sure nothing will happen.. but..

I have few ideas, but in my opinion, problem for gentlemens involved in this "investigation" action can start when "sad gentelmens" will accuse them for organized criminal group that want extort money.

I think that this investigation can lasted much longer ...

[Vod]

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I have blocked Quickseller from sending me messages.  You are included in that list.  

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme

So I don't reply and I'm trying to cover something up?  Nice jump... I guess we can see how you deduce your findings...

[Huge Black Woman]

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror... 

Tha question thet keeps me tossin' an' turnin' at night is whetha' Quickseller's ambition is ta one day be on all 3 sides of an escrowed deal.  Stranga' thangs in life have happent. 

Imma incorrectly para-phrase mah recently diseased brotha Rodney King.  Cain't we all jist git along up in here?  Y'all is like a buncha kinna-gardners tryin' ta rip each otha's hair off.  Sommebody gon' lose an eyebrow if'n this keep up.

[Sweeet]

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror... 

Tha question thet keeps me tossin' an' turnin' at night is whetha' Quickseller's ambition is ta one day be on all 3 sides of an escrowed deal.  Stranga' thangs in life have happent. 

Imma incorrectly para-phrase mah recently diseased brotha Rodney King.  Cain't we all jist git along up in here?  Y'all is like a buncha kinna-gardners tryin' ta rip each otha's hair off.  Sommebody gon' lose an eyebrow if'n this keep up.

Hi Huge Black Woman, I like what your going at here but we can't all get along if the police is beating up on us and then all four getting sentenced as non-guilty. In most cases, once you give away the little thing that is trust you will regret it, trust is a mother fucker.

Most homies are just phonies.

[feinter]

Is it personal war, or what?

Someone is missing topic of this thread...

Edit: and option that it can be organised criminal group..

[shorena]

-snip-

I know you didnt explicitly say you would, but I still would have expected you to honor my request.

-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"

Were these questions rhetorical, and/or have you managed to answer them yourself?

No and no. I have an answer from Vod.