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And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone.
Those people are irrational and have never read a book on economics, and they can't hold a candle to me in a debate on this subject.
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And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone.
Those people are irrational and have never read a book on economics, and they can't hold a candle to me in a debate on this subject. I agree about that being that the main guy is Ver. But you can't ignore his influence.
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I agree about that being that the main guy is Ver. But you can't ignore his influence.
Well no, you can't when every bitcoin media outlet is perpetuating his narrative (hmm wonder why that is?), but in another sense, from a rational perspective, its not possible for him or his or another faction to change bitcoin in these ways. Ignorance is a limited phenomenon, so entropy builds up which is effectively a resistance to change. It's getting harder not easier, and soon as our money systems begin to stabilize (because bitcoin will be a digital gold not a coffee money) and then Nash's insight from ideal money will start to make sense and become relevant. There is really only one way for it to play out, which is quite based on reason, as to why it would do so in this way.
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The other important thing to note is that its basically the same crowd implicating Wright that says things like they might remove the cap in the future and that bitcoin needs to scale and core has hijacked it. The same crowd that refuses to use standard definitions for words and often conflates polar opposite meanings for key words in the same sentence. I get an overwhelming feeling there are a lot of people that think they created bitcoin and have yet to realize they were only lead to believe that they did. There is an implication that "Satoshi" needn't understand economics or the macro-economic implications of bitcoin, and this is only perpetuated because the general bitcoin community has little to zero understanding of these subjects. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/This paper doesn't belong on a satoshi school dot org. It's ridiculous.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20151119111410/http://lynn-downunder.blogspot.com"Hey, Reeses, Tibanne here. What's happening there down under with you and Peanut? Craig been treatin' you guys okay like Mark treats me here in Japan?" "Dear, Tibanne. Goofers here. I regret to inform that Reeses' not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This cat is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! 'E's pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!He's f*ckin' snuffed it!..... REESES IS AN EX-CAT!!" "Tibanne, this is Flame, to let you know that Goofers speaketh the truth. Reeses and I were fairly close."
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Speaking of a dead parrot cat and some other cat owner renown for baking cookies apple pies (above) ... http://seclists.org/basics/2008/Mar/147RE: Defamation and the diffculties of law on the Internet.
From: "dave kleiman" <dave () davekleiman com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:25:13 -0400
Hats off to you Craig,
Sometimes you amaze me....I literally today just took on a case today dealing exactly with this, you are making my life easy as I am gathering (with your permission) this information you have provided for my client's review. When this becomes public record, I will post-up the results.
I will take any more information on this subject with great enthusiasm and appreciation, as always!!!
By the way, for those of you who have never asked for Craig's help, you do not know what you are missing. I have asked his research assistance more than once. One particular time it was dealing with abilities of cookies on the server side, when I awoke the next morning, I had 100's of pages and links of information on that subject, and variations and ideas I had not even or forgotten to consider (e.g. web bugs). Why did he help, for no other than reason than he just likes to research information, and possibly considers me a friend from afar. He probably had as much fun reading up on the subject as did. And along with all the technical details he included this:
Cookie Recipe Ingredients: 125 grams butter 50 grams caster sugar 60 grams brown sugar 1 large egg 1 teaspoon vanilla essence/extract 125 grams of plain flour 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/2 teaspoon bicarbonate of soda 250 grams of chocolate (Dark is best for this) 1/2 cup coarsely chopped almonds
Method: Turn your oven on to preheat at 180 degrees Celsius (about 350 degrees Fahrenheit, gas mark 4). Remember to take your grill pan out first. Now get some baking trays ready (if they're not non-stick then you better line them or grease them)......................Hey Presto! The world's BEST cookies, in the comfort of your own home.
In the midst of this data exchange I casually mentioned that one day, when I was in the position to not have to work so much, I would return to school and my dream degrees in Cosmology and Astrophysics. Of course, the next day I had links to every online study available for those degrees, with a "why wait wink."
Further, it amazes me how Craig has a Blog helping to understand the rights of US based Digital Forensic Examiners: http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/2008/01/texas-pi-fud.html And he is based in AU. He simply cares enough about the cause and the industry to help, it has no direct affect on him if US DFEs are required to have PI licenses!!
People of the past considered "Loons": (Feynman, Hawking, Sagan, da Vinci, Einstein, Columbus, everyone associated with Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Black Knight: Right, I'll do you for that! King Arthur: You'll what? Black Knight: Come here! King Arthur: What are you gonna do, bleed on me? Black Knight: I'm invincible! King Arthur: ...You're a loony. .......you get the picture)
Yep Craig is a Junkie; a Knowledge Junkie!!!!
For those of you who have nothing good to say; why say anything?
Dave
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Is that post for real? Haha.
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I agree about that being that the main guy is Ver. But you can't ignore his influence.
that guy is rusty russel introducing 4 more decimals in his LN (millisatoshi) https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=millisatoshiits starting to become very funny that every action blockstream employee's propose is being pointed in every direction away from blockstream. EG gmaxwell loving bilateral splits.. every blockstream centralists says other implementations want bilateral splits. yet other implementations refuse to split. What you are describing is what I and others call a bilateral hardfork-- where both sides reject the other. I tried to convince the authors of BIP101 to make their proposal bilateral by requiring the sign bit be set in the version in their blocks (existing nodes require it to be unset). Sadly, the proposals authors were aggressively against this.The ethereum hardfork was bilateral, probably the only thing they did right-- even funnier blockstream centralists fear other implementations splitting the network.. yet every argument they have is demanding other implementations to Fork Off and make their altcoin.... im guessing they are trying self fulfilling prophecy that if they nag for it enough they can make other implementations do it.. then blame the other implementations for doing it.. (facepalm) and it seems they dont even realise the words they are speaking. like empty drones repeating scripts without understanding what they are saying or researching the truth.
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You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.
That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.
I don't think that would change anything. You know why its fucking you up. Because you need to introduce into your core beliefs the concept of a stable metric of value. If there are 21 million bitcoin's and you make them more divisible, this doesn't necessarily effect the value of a bitcoin in the way you are implying. And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone. These are no more than just idle talks I created a thread about a year ago telling basically the same, that "21 million cap is not so much written in stone". My main point was that what is done by one human being can be undone by another human being. But that thread was quickly filled with angry comments and I myself was just as quickly labelled as a heretic and traitor. I'm still keeping to the same view but seeing how miners are loath to accept changes that could even slightly undermine their profits (e.g. changing the notorious blocksize), this is utterly irrelevant what the so-called bitcoin elites are discussing now
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These are no more than just idle talks
I created a thread about a year ago telling basically the same, that "21 million cap is not so much written in stone". My main point was that what is done by one human being can be undone by another human being. But that thread was quickly filled with angry comments and I myself was just as quickly labelled as a heretic and traitor. I'm still keeping to the same view but seeing how miners are loath to accept changes that could even slightly undermine their profits (e.g. changing the notorious blocksize), this is utterly irrelevant what the so-called bitcoin elites are discussing now
You know what Satoshi would say? He would say "ya we can change it easy, just set it at x block" then he would leave and never address such irrational debate again.
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Is that post for real? Haha.
From the desk of Real Satoshi, The Security Guru:http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Jan/561Re: Travel letter from Craig S. Wright From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:25:18 +0000 I am truly amazed. He was actually HIRED by someone who is paying travel expenses? Wonders never cease.
He's probably trying to merge his "Vulnerability Prediction System" with "Getting Off the Patch." You know, I wouldn't be surprised.
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-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full- disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of mad.men () hushmail com Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:56 AM To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Travel letter from Craig S. Wright
This is so funny, almost laughed my ass off Enjoy!
Hello all,
I am sitting on a plane as I type this in flight some place between SFO (San Francisco) and JFK (New York). I am not flying economy as this is a work trip and I have laptops and other things sprawled all over the place in my mobile office structure. Having power in business and first was always a turn on for me and a justification as I can generally pay for the cost of the flight in billable hours as well as arriving relaxed.
This is not of course an advertisement for premium service flights, but rather a post about the other aspects of flight with laptops these days.
That is Internet access.
I have another 4 hours before I have to turn my laptop off. I love the wireless internet access you can get in flight right now as I am sitting here at 30,000 feet. I mean this is really marvellous when you think of it. I have 4 companies, 2 of which are in the stages where they are in need of constant attention and I can be there 24x7 even as I fly now. I only have the small sections for take-off and landing where I have to be internet deprived. As a work-a-holic, the ability to stay connected from 3G on the parts of my travel and manage and monitor client needs and staff is absolutely tremendous.
I have Netstumbler on my laptop, just collecting passively. I do not have the Kismet one running now. There is another laptop here and I see a paper on the security of inflight services - the GOGO service is unsecured. Not even WEP. So for the work critical things I use the Citrix gateway and allow those who want to see my browsing to unsecured sites to collect away.
The shame I see in all this is that these wireless hotspots on planes are even less secure than the ones on the ground. With more and more executives starting to use these services, this is going to be more of an issue as time passes. I see C-level staff using this now and in time more and more use from high-level employees will occur.
Think of all that leaked data. For the right people, it would almost seem profitable to hop a plane and extrude data in flight.
Lots to add to the list of things to secure…
God I love technology!
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Description: Logo4 Something else I just saw since I'm a professional anagramer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic#FinanceThe financial markets use stochastic models to represent the seemingly random behaviour of assets such as stocks, commodities, relative currency prices (i.e., the price of one currency compared to that of another, such as the price of US Dollar compared to that of the Euro), and interest rates. These models are then used by quantitative analysts to value options on stock prices, bond prices, and on interest rates, see Markov models. Moreover, it is at the heart of the insurance industry. The anagram for Stochastic - ctc = Satoshi.
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anagrams hmm.. and abit of cryptographic math lol gives you my brain fart ages ago its not nick.. but i do love some of the theories and 'proofs'
the funniest one is using the letters of his name someone said nicks middle name was thomas
NICK THOMAS SZABO
take the C and the B change them to numeric (c=3 b=2) 3x2=6 6= 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 1=A and 1,1,1,1,1 (A and five 1's) save the A for later but lets carry on using the numbers 1,1,1,1,1= 3 and 2 3x2=6 6=3 and 3 3x3=9
take the Z and change it to numeric (z=26) 26+9=35
dont take these out, just note that the missing letters are O=15 T=20 =35
so numerically we can see there is a conversion method for ZBC=OT now take out the CBZ and add in the AOT
NICK THOMAS SZABO NIK THOMAS SAOAOT
now mix them letters up from: NIK THOMAS SAOAOT
to:
S (NIK THOMAS AOAOT) SA (NIK THOMAS OAOT) SAT (NIK HOMAS OAOT) SATO (NIK HMAS OAOT) SATOS (NIK HMA OAOT) SATOSH (NIK MA OAOT) SATOSHI (NK MA OAOT) SATOSHI N (K MA OAOT) SATOSHI NA (K M OAOT) SATOSHI NAK ( M OAOT) SATOSHI NAKA ( M OOT) SATOSHI NAKAM ( OOT) SATOSHI NAKAMO ( OT) SATOSHI NAKAMOT ( O) SATOSHI NAKAMOTO
i know nick is not, but i just liked this bit of speculation and wordplay.. put a smile on my face
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anagrams hmm.. and abit of cryptographic math lol gives you my brain fart ages ago its not nick.. but i do love some of the theories and 'proofs'
the funniest one is using the letters of his name someone said nicks middle name was thomas
NICK THOMAS SZABO
take the C and the B change them to numeric (c=3 b=2) 3x2=6 6= 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 1=A and 1,1,1,1,1 (A and five 1's) save the A for later but lets carry on using the numbers 1,1,1,1,1= 3 and 2 3x2=6 6=3 and 3 3x3=9
take the Z and change it to numeric (z=26) 26+9=35
dont take these out, just note that the missing letters are O=15 T=20 =35
so numerically we can see there is a conversion method for ZBC=OT now take out the CBZ and add in the AOT
NICK THOMAS SZABO NIK THOMAS SAOAOT
now mix them letters up from: NIK THOMAS SAOAOT
to:
S (NIK THOMAS AOAOT) SA (NIK THOMAS OAOT) SAT (NIK HOMAS OAOT) SATO (NIK HMAS OAOT) SATOS (NIK HMA OAOT) SATOSH (NIK MA OAOT) SATOSHI (NK MA OAOT) SATOSHI N (K MA OAOT) SATOSHI NA (K M OAOT) SATOSHI NAK ( M OAOT) SATOSHI NAKA ( M OOT) SATOSHI NAKAM ( OOT) SATOSHI NAKAMO ( OT) SATOSHI NAKAMOT ( O) SATOSHI NAKAMOTO
i know nick is not, but i just liked this bit of speculation and wordplay.. put a smile on my face
Your post gave me the CBz. Now, onto some real math: http://www.blacksheepnetworks.com/security/resources/pentest/14456.htmlFrom: cwright@bdosyd.com.au Date: Fri Oct 19 2007 - 18:02:10 EDT
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As for my personal opinion, I have seen MANY people bitching about HR, management, business, certified people etc. What I have found in my 23 years in Info Sec is that those who "bitch" the loudest about this are the least likely to fit in a team. And THIS is an issue. Cowboy security jockeys are in abundance. What is needed is more professionals. A cert will not do this. What is needed is experience OUTSIDE IT security as well as the tech skills. Regards, Craig Wright GSE-Compliance
<snip> 2007 - 23 = 1984 (not the infamous book title). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_WrightCraig Steven Wright (born October 1970) is an Australian computer scientist and businessman.
Wright graduated from high school in 1987 from Padua College in Brisbane. Ergo, Craig Steven Wright has been in Info Sec since he was 14 years old, a freshman in high school still checking his balls down under ( De intended) every day to see if any peach fuzz was about to bloom.
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Wait, Nick Szabo's middle name was Thomas?
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Wait, Nick Szabo's middle name was Thomas?
Oy, I'm seeing unicorns!!!
"Wanna play on my tom-tom?"
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Wait, Nick Szabo's middle name was Thomas?
Oy, I'm seeing unicorns!!!
"Wanna play on my tom-tom?" Holy fuck! You are one weird queer. I like that about you. Are you jewish?
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Wait, Nick Szabo's middle name was Thomas?
Oy, I'm seeing unicorns!!!
"Wanna play on my tom-tom?" Holy fuck! You are one weird queer. I like that about you. Are you jewish? There are way too many crazies on this thread, not sure I have room. lol But I like the twins idea. But really, I thought I researched all these top Bitcoin coders and somehow I missed Szabo's middle name.
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Oy, I'm seeing unicorns!!!
"Wanna play on my tom-tom?" Holy fuck! You are one weird queer. I like that about you. Are you jewish? On dad's side, grandfather was German and grandmother was Lithuanian. On mother's side, grandfather was Pennsylvania Dutch and grandmother's maiden name was Hershberg. Does the latter count? RawDog, the only qualms that I have with you is that you for some reason have qualms with me. That said, I'm extending an olive branch for you to stick up your ass (humor, bud).
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On dad's side, grandfather was German and grandmother was Lithuanian. On mother's side, grandfather was Pennsylvania Dutch and grandmother's maiden name was Hershberg. Does the latter count?
RawDog, the only qualms that I have with you is that you for some reason have qualms with me. That said, I'm extending an olive branch for you to stick up your ass (humor, bud).
See, you just make it such a challenge for me to shine. 😂
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Wait, Nick Szabo's middle name was Thomas?
Oy, I'm seeing unicorns!!!
"Wanna play on my tom-tom?" Holy fuck! You are one weird queer. I like that about you. Are you jewish? On dad's side, grandfather was German and grandmother was Lithuanian. On mother's side, grandfather was Pennsylvania Dutch and grandmother's maiden name was Hershberg. Does the latter count? RawDog, the only qualms that I have with you is that you for some reason have qualms with me. That said, I'm extending an olive branch for you to stick up your ass (humor, bud). I think the Hershberg does it. Not only are you a fucking queer, but you are also a fucking jew. Hey, I said I like you. Even if you want to push things up my ass, an offer I fully decline and reject as vulgar, I still like you. Indeed, we are probably related via that Lithuanian connection. How do you like that! Sorry to learn your otherwise respectable Dutch granddad had to go marry some dirty yenta and screw up your genetics. But, that's the way things go.
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