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January 28, 2017, 06:56:36 AM
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Source = http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-187258-5-.htm#187258

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Setting a hard-line tone on national security, President Donald Trump on Friday suspended the nation's refugee program for four months, aiming to keep "radical Islamic terrorists" out of the United States.

Real News and i am stunned *sort of  Cheesy
I warned you all in this section lots if he got elected there would be problems..

He is also in the news right now after being stood up on a meeting with the Mexican president.
He said on Twitter the day before the meeting.. there is no point in meeting unless Mexico pays to build a border wall.
..the guy cancelled the meeting after hearing that.

Drumpf = Hitler <-- both had a similar campaign to seize power.

I don't have any real beef with the guy, i just think it was inappropriate for him to be put in charge.
And no that does not automatically mean i was a Hillary supporter.
I also had no real problem with Obama either.
I don't care about political labels.. i care about who is doing a good job.

So.. do you all think his immigration executive decision was good ?
I think it was stupid behavior.. with more to come of course  Roll Eyes

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January 28, 2017, 07:32:40 AM
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Immigrants are not the same as refugees.

The refugee program (along with most other government programs) should be suspended until the US national debt is paid in full. Should that happen, we can discuss the merits of spending taxpayer money on resettling refugees from other countries.

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January 28, 2017, 07:37:03 AM
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Perhaps not the most popular thing to do, but I don't think it is wrong for a country to decide such things. It's not something I would support, nor do I think his justification is correct, as I think the numbers show that terrorists don't look to enter as refugees, they either enter illegally or are home-grown, radicalised in country.

Nevertheless, his policies have been clear from the start, and this is only keeping in line with them.

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January 28, 2017, 07:37:18 AM
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"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." - John F. Kennedy, US President

He's posturing, appeasing his rogue supporters. The alternative facts he uses to support his decision are false. He claims that majority of refugees from Syria admitted to the US recently have been Muslim and not Christian...this simply isn't true. And the existing level of scrutiny that refugees go through before admission is incredibly high and a 12+ month process.

Refuting Trump's "facts":
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/05/u-s-admits-record-number-of-muslim-refugees-in-2016/

Refugee Immigration Screening: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

Trump's administration further supports the need to mis-trust the government, which is ironic because it's the people that mis-trust the government the most that elected him to office.

All of this coming from the party that just recently accused Obama of violating the law and over stepping his power with Executive Orders. All of Trump's work thus far has been through Executive Order!

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January 28, 2017, 07:48:11 AM
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Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.

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January 28, 2017, 08:23:58 AM
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Source = http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-187258-5-.htm#187258

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Setting a hard-line tone on national security, President Donald Trump on Friday suspended the nation's refugee program for four months, aiming to keep "radical Islamic terrorists" out of the United States.

Real News and i am stunned *sort of  Cheesy
I warned you all in this section lots if he got elected there would be problems..

He is also in the news right now after being stood up on a meeting with the Mexican president.
He said on Twitter the day before the meeting.. there is no point in meeting unless Mexico pays to build a border wall.
..the guy cancelled the meeting after hearing that.

Drumpf = Hitler <-- both had a similar campaign to seize power.

I don't have any real beef with the guy, i just think it was inappropriate for him to be put in charge.
And no that does not automatically mean i was a Hillary support.
I also had no real problem with Obama either.
I don't care about political labels.. i care about who is doing a good job.

So.. do you all think his immigration executive decision was good ?
I think it was stupid behavior.. with more to come of course  Roll Eyes
Trump has his plans for the government of the United States and as part of his plans it is really necessary implement regulations  on the border. If it  is for the good of the country then trump has its own reasons. Border issues has been a long problem between USA and Mexico since many  Mexicans are entering the US boundery as illegal immigrants.

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January 28, 2017, 01:10:24 PM
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Well saying there is a problem with Mexico is undeniable.
But that does not mean the only solution is to make Mexico pay for a wall.
There could be other solutions to the problem.

And immigrants and refugee's are not the same thing.

Immigrants are what made your country Americans.
And guess what the word American means ?
Anyone in North America the continent.. the USA and Canada and Mexico.. we are all "Americans"

The statue of liberty is crying one guy said.
The immigrants are what fuel a country.
The vetting procedure is another matter.
Trump closed the border between all the major MUSLIM country's.
Iraq, Syria etc.

It's funny that the USA revolves around a dependence on foreigners yet Trump wants to slam the door closed.

Political bobble heads for example are made for US presidents.. in China.
If they are made in the USA they cost a $100 each.  Cheesy (seen a show on that on TV)
What happens when you force everything to be made in house ?
Forcing Apple to make the iPhones in the USA ?

What happens when your entire country has illegal's doing the lesser quality jobs ?
And they are cut off ?

Hillary pointed out publicly before that Trump's plan to round up illegals and boot them out is a fantasy.
The actual cost & logistics of it is silly.. it really couldn't be done with out bankrupting the country basically.
And that would be just like Hitler like i said earlier huh ?
Funny how history repeats huh ?
Germans gets fooled and elects a NAZI dictator then years later the USA does.  Shocked

Immigrants are NEEDED for a country to function.
The vetting process is what it is all about.

Spreading Muslim fear is not going to do any good either.

Myself as a white guy from Canada with older Dutch heritage recognize i came from another place long ago.
Canada is a multi-cultural melting pot of cultures that come together as one unit.
The only complaints i have with users coming here is when they simply want to set up segregated little sections of our country to mimic their own old home country.. AKA: China town.

I say they are welcome to join us but they need to integrate into our society in a reasonable way.
And yes we WILL accommodate them also !
We let East Indians wear a turban in the official RCMP Police uniform for example.
We make concessions for them.. we compromise.. we are ALL Canadian !

I think Trumps decisions are horrendous and do far more harm then good.. and he is just getting started !

Americans i am concerned for you guys  Undecided

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January 28, 2017, 02:04:12 PM
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I won't blame Donald trump on some of his  policies especially on immigration, if you want to enter into another man;s country you must apply for visa,if you allowed immigrants any how it might spell Dom for such a country especially terrorism
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January 28, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
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I won't blame Donald trump on some of his  policies especially on immigration....

Right, you have to blame those who came before him and blatantly disregarded existing law.
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January 28, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
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Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.
The problem is that not every immigrant knows someone in America. How will he find sponsors? In addition, immigration policy should be aimed at the development are not popular jobs. Besides, due to this you can reduce the cost of very high standing projects.


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January 28, 2017, 03:39:02 PM
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Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.
This is actually a great idea, Europe should learn from it and establish such laws. At the moment, the politicians are living in their villas, surrounded by 3m fences and concrete walls, with security systems and do not care what the refugees are doing. They don't have to live next to raging immigrant mob, that roams the streets at night, looking for people to rob and women to rape. Some of the most vocal leftists should be made to live next to a refugee housing and I'm certain their view on immigration would quickly change.

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Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.

OK.. I have no problem with this. But there are a few conditions. The refugee will be ineligible for citizenship. Once the war is over in his country, he will be replaced with another refugee from another country. Also, if the refugee is found guilty of any violent crime, then the refugee must be deported and his sponsor should be punished. For example, if the refugee commits a rape, then the perpetrator must be deported, and his sponsor must be raped with a broomstick.

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The problem is that not every immigrant knows someone in America. How will he find sponsors? In addition, immigration policy should be aimed at the development are not popular jobs. Besides, due to this you can reduce the cost of very high standing projects.
We have Internet and other media, they will have to learn to sell themselves. We have to do it to find a job, they will have to do it to get a sponsor, allowance and a shot at a real life in a civilised country.


OK.. I have no problem with this. But there are a few conditions. The refugee will be ineligible for citizenship. Once the war is over in his country, he will be replaced with another refugee from another country. Also, if the refugee is found guilty of any violent crime, then the refugee must be deported and his sponsor should be punished. For example, if the refugee commits a rape, then the perpetrator must be deported, and his sponsor must be raped with a broomstick.
Remember that a punishment has to be unpleasant. Making such laws is quite dangerous as there are people with a taste for fetishes.

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January 28, 2017, 04:14:28 PM
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Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.
This is actually a great idea, Europe should learn from it and establish such laws. At the moment, the politicians are living in their villas, surrounded by 3m fences and concrete walls, with security systems and do not care what the refugees are doing. They don't have to live next to raging immigrant mob, that roams the streets at night, looking for people to rob and women to rape. Some of the most vocal leftists should be made to live next to a refugee housing and I'm certain their view on immigration would quickly change.

Best deal with the refugees can only be the case if the life in the camp on the territory of their country be better than living on welfare in Europe. Enough to stop funding the migrants and they will no longer go to EU countries
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January 28, 2017, 05:39:05 PM
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Best deal with the refugees can only be the case if the life in the camp on the territory of their country be better than living on welfare in Europe. Enough to stop funding the migrants and they will no longer go to EU countries

That is the most logical and the easiest option. Create safe zones within these countries, where the refugees can reside without the fear of shelling and bomb attacks. But the leftists will be opposed to this idea.

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Although I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but on this issue of immigration, I am kind of cool with it but not with the lame excuse that they are Muslims after all this policy won't exempt any one both Muslims and Christians will be affected. But at the same time, me as a host should be able to decide who I bring into my house and also who I shut the door on. At least I still deserve that.

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Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.
This is the best solution to the immigration problem I have seen. If you are capable of keeping your own immigrant and pay for him, then please, take responsibility.
Of course it would be problematic and hard to achieve from the legal point of view. But it is still better that creation of camps with refugees/illegal immigrants living in below average conditions.


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January 28, 2017, 09:23:15 PM
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countries have the right to decide who comes and goes, but it's madness that this applies to visa and green card holders. anyone who knows anything about america knows that that's not a simple thing to get.

and while we're here, why the hell ain't they banning saudis and pakistanis? they're just as much of a threat to westerners as the other countries nominated.

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January 28, 2017, 10:45:23 PM
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I don't have any real beef with the guy, i just think it was inappropriate for him to be put in charge.
And no that does not automatically mean i was a Hillary supporter.
I also had no real problem with Obama either.
I don't care about political labels.. i care about who is doing a good job.

So.. do you all think his immigration executive decision was good ?
I think it was stupid behavior.. with more to come of course  Roll Eyes

The decision might not be good at all but I think that most of the richest and countries that have good prescriptive to live, most of them block most of the people to get a visa there especially from poor countries or from countries that are in conflicts with some countries, but they have the lottery where lots of people get the green card and join the U.S community.


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