Monero under scrutiny of the FBI

[arielbit]

that's what you call potency of the tech..

unlike DASH's snake oil crypto haha.

the FBI is worried too that the knives being manufactured is going to be used to by criminals to murder?

[altcoinrich]

XMR, DASH, ZCASH, are all anonymous coins whose anon tech is over bitcoin, if they only check XMR, it does not make sense, because there are so many anon coins to protect privacy, why they only scrutinize XMR?

[Spoetnik]

There have been thousands of arrests regarding BitTorrent, all over the planet.

because it was being misused in the eyes of the law, not because someone had downloaded and done nothing with it. there is nothing illegal about using it to torrent stuff that either you own the copyright for or doesn't have any copyright. the prosecutions are about how it was used, not the software itself.

BT is just a protocol. If its used for criminal activity the shackles are clicking.
Monero promotes itself as a currency for the Darknet, thats what they've put on their flag, small stupid difference here.

Proof?

And who is "Monero"?

What company is in charge of Monero? Who is its CEO?

Promoted? Where?

i dunno who has the Github password ?

@cengsuwuei
Dark Market activity is a problem in the USA.
I read about a story where a guy was arrested via Bitcoin + Alpha Bay selling Fentanyl through the mail.
And in case you did not know my country Canada is having a massive severe epidemic with SHIT LOADS of people dying from it and ..Carfentenyl.

Simply coming into contact with a couple grains of Carfentenyl can kill an adult !
Now imagine that flowing through the US or CAN postal service and a package rips open killing a mail man..
Or some teen buys some with Monero then dies..

Imagine the tax payer bill when a call is made and they have to show up with hazmat suits like a nuclear waste spill happened. <-- this has happened in the News with Fentanyl lots before.

You think these sleazy greedy losers care about small children being exploited for child pornography on Dark Markets ?
If they did why were they running around this forum bragging about how Monero is now used on Alpha Bay ?

You think these greedy little fucking Investards care that they are providing a platform for Terrorist funding to attack US citizens ?
Kids dying from Drug overdoses ?
Of course not.. they simply rail on defending their criminal bullshit.

Monero - The Criminal Coin™

Brought to you by rpietila / Risto with his Silver tea pot collection and pink Bentley and Castle.

Everything you pretty much claim is done in fiat. All of those criminal activities are done in fiat trash. Moot point.

Do I condone illegal activities? No.

Do I condone financial privacy? Yes.

If you don't like privacy please remove all your doors, curtains, and passwords to all of your accounts. Always take a shit in a glass house where everyone can see you OH and...Also post your bank statements on the internet so we can all them.

Having the github password doesn't really mean anything. Monero was created initially by ThankfulForToday. Much like bitcoin if Satoshi were around he probably would have been taken into custody or questioned.

Do you see the FBI going after the people who hold Bitcoin's github password?

Once again, moot point.

Try again.

EPIC FAIL sweet-heart ..dark markets period .

[obit33]

EPIC FAIL sweet-heart ..dark markets period .

1 darkmarket, 2% of usage...

first people were telling xmr-implementation@alphabay would be epic fail, because wouldn't be used...

now xmr = darkmarketcoin...

what is it now? stick ... dog ... find ...

best regards

[Spoetnik]

The only conclusion here:

If you're still using BTC on DNM's you might as well go to the FEDS and just admit to everything you have bought/sold over there... If they are worrying about xmr now, it means they don't care about btc (as much) anymore, reason: they can see the whole transaction-history in btc... They couldn't have dreamt such a nice transparant system to monitor criminalised behaviours...

MONERO was deliberately created and then used primarily for Dark Market usage.
Nice try though sock puppet doing damage control.

Users adapted Bitcoin for Dark Market use AFTER THE FACT with *MIXERS* etc.
Satoshi did not sit there trying to think of a coin system that violates anti-money laundering laws
to as Dino say.. "Stick it the man" (purpose of crypto is to be anti-law etc)
Nope.. they latched onto it like they did with FIAT.

You are trying hard and i laugh my ass off so hard i lost it hours ago.. can anyone help me find it ?  
You dumb fuck shills deserve to get a serious legal ass kicking with all the retard shit you been spewing the last couple years.
I am fed up with your crypto rebel teen angst unrealistic Dark Market advocacy.
You stupid little cock suckers would not shut the fuck up about Monero's grandiose DM usage you were more than happy to brag about non stop with your little hype, spam and pump tactics.

...NOW

YOU ARE fucking back peddling fast and hard when you start sweatin' the mother fucking FBI might come knockin.

What did you cocky smug greedy little fuckin' pukes expect ?

Go fuck yourselves and your little DM shitcoin scheme bullshit too pricks.

I TOLD YOU SO STUPID FUCKING CUNTS ...blow me

derptyy fuck mutha fuckin derpty derp all the little profiteers caw like crows here before..
Liekz 0MG BBQ n0ne 0f the other coinZ are used on DM's 0NLY Monero'z so it'z bettah !!!11111ONE

You were oooooooooooooh so happy to brag the shit out of it and now ?

Shit talking little clowns are hiding under their bed.
You pathetic spineless shit talking little fucking cowards make me sick.
Go give your picture ID to Poloniex more ya bullshitting baggies  

[obit33]

The only conclusion here:

If you're still using BTC on DNM's you might as well go to the FEDS and just admit to everything you have bought/sold over there... If they are worrying about xmr now, it means they don't care about btc (as much) anymore, reason: they can see the whole transaction-history in btc... They couldn't have dreamt such a nice transparant system to monitor criminalised behaviours...

MONERO was deliberately created and then used primarily for Dark Market usage.
Nice try though sock puppet doing damage control.

Users adapted Bitcoin for Dark Market use AFTER THE FACT with *MIXERS* etc.
Satoshi did not sit there trying to think of a coin system that violates anti-money laundering laws
to as Dino say.. "Stick it the man" (purpose of crypto is to be anti-law etc)
Nope.. they latched onto it like they did with FIAT.

You are trying hard and i laugh my ass off so hard i lost it hours ago.. can anyone help me find it ?  
You dumb fuck shills deserve to get a serious legal ass kicking with all the retard shit you been spewing the last couple years.
I am fed up with your crypto rebel teen angst unrealistic Dark Market advocacy.
You stupid little cock suckers would not shut the fuck up about Monero's grandiose DM usage you were more than happy to brag about non stop with your little hype, spam and pump tactics.

...NOW

YOU ARE fucking back peddling fast and hard when you start sweatin' the mother fucking FBI might come knockin.

What did you cocky smug greedy little fuckin' pukes expect ?

Go fuck yourselves and your little DM shitcoin scheme bullshit too pricks.

I TOLD YOU SO STUPID FUCKING CUNTS ...blow me

derptyy fuck mutha fuckin derpty derp all the little profiteers caw like crowd here before..
Liekz 0MG BBQ n0ne 0f the other coinZ are used on DM's 0NLY Monero'z so it'z bettah !!!11111ONE

You were oooooooooooooh so happy to brag the shit out of it and now ?

Shit talking little clowns are hiding under their bed.
You pathetic spineless shit talking little fucking cowards make me sick.
Go five your picture ID to Poloniex more ya bullshitting baggies  

lol, anti-money laundering laws... are you so naive that you believe that shit? Do you know how retarded that concept is? Don't you see what government is doing with our money, how the game is totally rigged, how government (as you would put it so nicely) f*cks you in the ass all day and all night... How they will tax you to death, and then some... How they erode the economic and social tissue with their endless moneyprinting (yes, printing out of thin air, and you're worried about money-laundering FFS )

the biggest imposters ARE the ones inventing 'anti-money-laundering-laws' so they could remain the biggest thieves of them all without competition, using their other monopoly on violence... and you are defending that...

go read a book naive little kid...

best regards,

[Spoetnik]

I Support "anti-money laundering laws"

https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=anti-money+laundering+laws

http://www.finra.org/industry/aml

Firms must comply with the Bank Secrecy Act and its implementing regulations ("Anti-Money Laundering rules"). The purpose of the AML rules is to help detect and report suspicious activity including the predicate offenses to money laundering and terrorist financing, such as securities fraud and market manipulation.

You support corruption and terrorism huh ?

[pereira4]

if the transactions are not connected to child porn, arm's dealership and drugs. There are nothing to worry about.

How do you prove that they aren't?
Monero is made for crime basically, it will never be allowed to succeed by the powers that be.

Bitcoin at least allows an online 'papertrail', Monero has as its USP something that will ultimately make it unusable by the wider public!

Bitcoin can be as anonymous as needed too. You are delusional if you think the powers that be will allow bitcoin be succesful at a mainstream level, they will ban it if that ever starts to happen. They are leaving it alone because its still too small for them to care, but as soon as the marketcap starts getting bigger they will try to crash it, that's why we need more anonimity, crypto is destined to be an underground thing that challenges governments, it will never be just another accepted currency open for governments to inspect.

Also, you could have received coins that are linked to criminal activity and you can get into problems because of the open blockchain... not good.

[Ayers]

if the transactions are not connected to child porn, arm's dealership and drugs. There are nothing to worry about.

And how do you know this if the transaction are anonymous? how do you know if someone using monero bought an illegal thing? fbi here is worthless they can't do anything this is the sad part, all the criminal will move to anonymous coin from now and will not use fiat anymore, and this can not be stopped

I actually believe XMR could be a Bitcoin killer. Monero has solved all main Bitcoin limitations and that's why it doing great in the Markets. It will possibly overcome bitcoin in the future

actually no because it just use segwit which was bough primarely for bitcoin , so they copied it, bitcoin only lack 100% anonymous, but bitcoin was menat to be 100% anonymous in the first place

[obit33]

I Support "anti-money laundering laws"

https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=anti-money+laundering+laws

http://www.finra.org/industry/aml

Firms must comply with the Bank Secrecy Act and its implementing regulations ("Anti-Money Laundering rules"). The purpose of the AML rules is to help detect and report suspicious activity including the predicate offenses to money laundering and terrorist financing, such as securities fraud and market manipulation.

You support corruption and terrorism huh ?

Oh come on... You're playing dumb here...

Corruption only exists because (members of) a government can be bribed

Terrorism exists because of interventionist policies by government

Ah well... Water under the bridge...

[Spoetnik]

WOW so much sad pathetic fail with the cliche'd excuses here.

Since i posted last..

pereira4 = Bitcoin.. Bitcoin.. Bitcoin.. but but but, Bitcoin did this and Bitcoin did that.  

Problem.. i addressed this on my 2nd to last comment here and more than that too (ignore the facts more)

Retort fail.

Ayers ?

It does not matter if they can see the transactions which i bet they could if they kept trying via cross referencing
What matters is Monero was created and being used mainly for circumventing anti-money laundering laws which *ARE* enforced on most exchanges (those that are compliant)

I have pointed that out lots too.  

Can't do anything ?
Sure they can read what i just said.
If Monero is removed from complaint exchanges you have a problem guys.
If Monero is black listed across the services world that is a massive problem.
And fuck yeah they CAN do it too !
Every heard of Piracy ?
Back up your mouth and start a piracy site and post your full name and address here dumb fucks LOL
Lets see how long it stays running ahahhahah

obit33

Corruption exists because govt staff can be bribed ? Are you retarded ? LOL
The laws exist to curb the crimes dumb fucks.
That is why it is law to not murder people.
Does it still happen ? Fucking duh !
Should we then abolish the always since it does not stop *ALL* crime ?
Of course not.. that is simply retarded  

And again i have been saying ALL of above for fucking years.
AND saying, I TOLD YOU SO ..every step of the way

Only thing left to do now is bump anything not bolted down to cover it up eh guys ?  

Monero is in a hell of a lot of trouble ..and so are their cocky naive brat supporters  

[superresistant]

 
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[FeverFlash]

XMR, DASH, ZCASH, are all anonymous coins whose anon tech is over bitcoin, if they only check XMR, it does not make sense, because there are so many anon coins to protect privacy, why they only scrutinize XMR?

Marketcap, if the other projects you mentioned reach the same marketcap, they will be scrutinized.

[qwizzie]

XMR, DASH, ZCASH, are all anonymous coins whose anon tech is over bitcoin, if they only check XMR, it does not make sense, because there are so many anon coins to protect privacy, why they only scrutinize XMR?

Marketcap, if the other projects you mentioned reach the same marketcap, they will be scrutinized.

+ XMR & ZCASH are closed blockchains
Dash (just like Bitcoin) has an open blockchain with optional anon tech for those users who want privacy

I have the feeling the FBI at this point is more interested in closed privacy-focussed blockchains with high marketcap.

[Monerobuyer]

XMR, DASH, ZCASH, are all anonymous coins whose anon tech is over bitcoin, if they only check XMR, it does not make sense, because there are so many anon coins to protect privacy, why they only scrutinize XMR?

Marketcap, if the other projects you mentioned reach the same marketcap, they will be scrutinized.

+ XMR & ZCASH are closed blockchains
Dash (just like Bitcoin) has an open blockchain with optional anon tech for those users who want privacy

Is the 2 million dash coin instamine also a feature of just dash?

[FeverFlash]

XMR, DASH, ZCASH, are all anonymous coins whose anon tech is over bitcoin, if they only check XMR, it does not make sense, because there are so many anon coins to protect privacy, why they only scrutinize XMR?

Marketcap, if the other projects you mentioned reach the same marketcap, they will be scrutinized.

+ XMR & ZCASH are closed blockchains
Dash (just like Bitcoin) has an open blockchain with optional anon tech for those users who want privacy

I have the feeling the FBI at this point is more interested in closed privacy-focussed blockchains with high marketcap.

That makes some sense, but once a privacy option is present in a project, what would stop them after a certain marketcap is reached?
There is a limited level of privacy that will be tolerated it seems.

[qwizzie]

Here is a bit more inside into the FBI's "investigative techniques" :

http://www.coindesk.com/catch-bitcoin-ransomer-inside-fbis-cyber-investigation-process/

The key to overcoming a range of hurdles in this process, he said, is collaboration between a few key public and private organizations and some 'outside the box' thinking.

[Monerobuyer]

Here is a bit more inside into the FBI's "investigative techniques" :

http://www.coindesk.com/catch-bitcoin-ransomer-inside-fbis-cyber-investigation-process/

https://i.imgur.com/dABg9Lh.png

Did the FBI ever investigate your boy Evan Duffield for the 2 million Dash coin instamine?

Here is a graph of what the instamine looks like:

http://weuse.cash/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dash5.png

[FLoving]

Oh that will happen when they will keep that much anonymity. They have to remain in the limits and have to be at least the same as bitcoin is. We do not need that much anonymity but we only need a crypto currency with which we will be connected to all over the world for our business.

[iCEBREAKER]

All cryptocurrencies are under the scrutiny of the FBI--it's the FBI's job to monitor darkmarkets, tax evasion, and the like--it's the fact that the  FBI is worried about Monero that is the point of the article.

The FBI is singling Monero out for the very fact that its special properties put it on the same footing as two of the oldest and most trusted coins used for illicit activities--this is what cash is supposed to do, this is what capitalism is supposed to do. Good money does bad things. You will never see Washington wince when he's used to buy crack, you will never see him yawn when you buy the morning paper, and you will certainly never see him cheer when you buy an ounce of your grandmother's illicit cataract medication. Good money does bad things, period.

Those people fretting and hand waving do not see (or likely choose to ignore) that real freedom is tied to private money--good money capable of exerting its holders free will at any moment, at any time. Those that say big government has already won,  have already lost the will to fight, to do what's right in the face of impossible odds, to be vigorous freemen in a time apathetic slavery. At the end of the day, every man and woman's choice is simple, to be a slave or a master--if you are waiting for the powers that be to validate your investment, you have made your last free choice and will gladly take what's handed to you--and though I will feel pity for you, and can even emphasize with the conditions of your slavery, I will never sympathize with the conditions of your failure to break free and set a new course for humanity in this dark time of surveillance states.  If you are waiting for an authority to take you by the hand and lead you greener pastures, you will be continually disappointed that greenest pastures, the choicest venues, the sparkling rivers, the places you always wished you could be, are reserved for those you follow.

The digital world before us is as vast as our imaginations, a land beyond the scope of any nation, no matter how powerful they may seem in the confines of their physical state--they are limited by nature's bounds, constructs of hierarchal determinism, incapable of pondering virtual states of each man his own, each woman her own--it is not by accident that the final battlefield is our imaginations, and the quickness in which some give over their ultimate freedom matches the long drawn out physical history of rule or be ruled, and then the cataclysm of the wisdom that asserts--I have only myself to rule or be ruled.

Epic post brother.

When Chaum declared "The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy" it wasn't just cyberpunk LARPing.

We will have a real democracy if we use well-developed digital cash (IE fungible coins stored and exchanged on a diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient network) such as Monero.

We will have a dictatorship if we use bad digital cash (IE non-fungible white/black-listed coins stored and exchanged on a centralized network) such as Dash+Coinfirm.

Please note Bitcoin will eventually transcend these categorizations because its ultimate fate is to "be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash."