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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
capitalism is the major reason why many third-world countries are poor and cannot make head way in development and come out of poverty. Local content is the best way for any government to come out of poverty and suffering. Local products develop a country why capitalism enslave them. 

Unfettered capitalism is always a double edge sword (see Dirty Money in Netflix). It encourages scrupulous business practices just for profits. I think there should be a balance between capitalism and socialism to better the community instead of just a select few. The still widening wealth gap is creating more tension between the haves and have nots. Spreading the wealth will ensure sustainability of harmony in the community.

Things are not as black and white as often portrayed, capitalism has a bad reputation but it also means free market and less government. At the other end of the spectrum you get socialism where everything is regulated or owned by the government. The claim that capitalism is responsible for the poverty in 3rd world countries is misleading. Certain capitalistic countries as the US have certainly not done much for the farmers in african countries, except selling them their genetically upgraded seeds. But look at a socialistic led country as China and tell me how they have helped poor regions to prosper. You won't find anything either. Forget about these concepts. If the crypto revolution is successful there will be the biggest wealth transfer from rich to poor regardless what type of governments are in place.


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March 14, 2018, 07:12:59 PM

Socialist society is preferable to me
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March 14, 2018, 08:03:29 PM

People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

What do you understand by "capitalism"?Market economy?
What system can replace the market?
Your english is very poor and i don`t understand what exactly are you trying to say in your thread.
How can we stop capitalism?
I am also looking at this topic without getting what  he is trying to explain. Capitalism is an economic system where private entities own the factors of production. The four factors are entrepreneurship, capital goods, natural resources, and labor. The owners of capital goods, natural resources, and entrepreneurship exercise control through companies.So, I think he wants to learn something about capitalism .
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March 14, 2018, 08:10:32 PM

Everybody is part of this , we all want stuff for the cheapest prices.
And if we can't get it we will get it overseas for a cheaper price , so people have to be willing to buy stuff locally.

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March 16, 2018, 02:27:01 AM

People should do what they want, not what you want, or any party or "glorious" leader. Trade created our world. As a certain P. N Whitehead said, men have resolved their differences through two means: force or commerce.

While I agree with most of your post, this cite is a bit over-simplified. There are decision-making techniques that are not based neither on force nor on commerce - for example, voting, discussing, etc. Commerce can also include force, e.g. if one party is structurally weaker and the other one abuses that. There's not only black and white.

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Socialism has concepts which are sheer nonsense but which for some reason are very catchy at first glance. Like democratic control of the means of production. Let's say I start a firm and devote my time and money in developing a product which becomes a success and can't keep up with contracts.[...]
Yep. Incentiving real innovation is a largely unsolved problem in socialist theories based on democratic control of production. In state socialism ("real existing socialism") there may be incentives to work hard (so you step up in the "socialist pyramid"), but you always work inside the "planning schemes" rolled out by the ruling class. There may be some limited innovation incentives like prizes for scientists. But innovation always needs the "approval" of your work by somebody who is in a superior part of the pyramid, or - in the "anarcho-socialist" variants - of a majority of the group with those who work with you. So lots of innovation potential gets lost, and these systems will tend to have less innovation - and thus, a less effective productive system.

Everybody that wants to talk about an alternative to capitalism must solve that problem: There must be an incentive to innovate that is equal or higher than in capitalism. I don't think it's impossible - capitalism is also an "invention" so a better system surely can be invented - but it's a really hard challenge and the traditional socialist theories are far away from solving this issue.
I do not think that capitalism can be supplanted by something better because capitalism is not an invention it is just the natural order of things, if I'm a hunter and I hunted a deer then I want to keep most of it after all i did all the effort, I can share some of that with the community but I'm not going to share it all if I had to do it then I'll have no incentive to hunt anymore, why risk my life? So what people call capitalism is nothing more than the natural order of things.

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March 16, 2018, 03:24:48 AM

People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
It is not simple as you think.  Sometimes people find it more expensive buying their local products than those imported products.  Aside from that, there are lots of corrupt officials that make this stuff impossible.  Implementing high taxes and fees for small businessman and prioritizing bigger company.  This kind of approach sucked the small investors and entrpreneurs dry and unable to compete in the market in national level.

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March 16, 2018, 03:32:29 AM

You have choose most of capitalism,but for me stil parliamentary form of governments,this is what most of the free country wants.in this people are always favorable than losing.many of us i know can relate to what i wanted.

Everybody is part of this , we all want stuff for the cheapest prices.
And if we can't get it we will get it overseas for a cheaper price , so people have to be willing to buy stuff locally.
But this are not only for product,but for some government favor too

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March 16, 2018, 03:35:18 AM

In capitalism private property is sacred, the individual is respected with the right to a pursuit of happiness.Without capitalism many great innovations would have never come about.Many would argue that the worker isn't respected and is repressed by an oligarchy of corporate leaders,this is simply untrue due to the fact the worker has at his disposal the most precious commodity in the world,his labor.If a worker isn't treated fairly and receives to little pay,they have the ability to quit there job and work at a better company.
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March 16, 2018, 05:12:10 AM

I do not think that capitalism can be supplanted by something better because capitalism is not an invention it is just the natural order of things, if I'm a hunter and I hunted a deer then I want to keep most of it after all i did all the effort, I can share some of that with the community but I'm not going to share it all if I had to do it then I'll have no incentive to hunt anymore, why risk my life? So what people call capitalism is nothing more than the natural order of things.
What you're describing is not Capitalism. It's mostly what we call "Trade" (interchange of goods that are perceived as "property" of some individual or group).

Hunter-gatherer societies were much different than Capitalist societies. In part, something similar to "trading" was a part of their economic system, but personal status based on religion and traditions often was much more important than the pure amount of food a person provided to the community. Most hunter-gatherer societies had a complex gift economy, where "trading" was done in a completely different way than in Capitalist societies. Trading is natural if goods (including work) are perceived as scarce, but Capitalism in the sense of the dominant economic system that emerged in the Italian Renaissance (in cities like Venice) has a whole set of new mechanisms and traditions - for example, a whole lot of very abstract kinds of "property" in financial products which other societies would probably call "gambling".

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March 16, 2018, 05:39:00 AM

anyone promoting a local product means that he or she loves his country and it is a means to boost the nation's economy, by promoting and using local products we have helped our own economic brother, and one thing we must be aware of is the increasingly capitalist ideology and animate the children of the nation, do not be influenced by my brother's ideology, let us lift the domestic economy by loving products made by the nation
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March 16, 2018, 05:39:22 AM

only capitalists like capitalizm. capitalisme is not good in poor country
because product price is control company , goverment can't intervention, so product price can high price
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March 16, 2018, 05:57:46 AM

Humanity has not yet found a better system than capitalism. Many economic systems have been tried many times. But none of them lasted as long as capitalism.
Wild capitalism and normal capitalism are different from each other. A capitalist order in which people have equal rights and freedoms will provide opportunities for everyone.

Capitalism allows the strong to prey on the weak.  It serves as the best economic system for modeling the natural order of things.  The problems with capitalism stem from those who seek to manipulate it, which is the natural progression of a capitalistic mindset.
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March 16, 2018, 06:38:03 AM

People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Capitalism has demonstrated that it is the only successful economic theory, with its competitors collapsing by the roadside over the last 100 years. Even China, which at one point was incorruptibly communist, has moved on. I think it is a bit too late to be talking about 'stopping capitalism'.
Really? As far as I know, China is not anymore pure communist nor capitalist country. China slowly adapts the Socialism, wherein there is a boundary between capitalists and communists.
Capitalism is not the only successful economic theory. In fact, there is no such economic theory is successful. All of them leads to economic crash. All of economic theories have their own failures and negative effects in us. If the capitalism is the suitable model in our economy, maybe as of now all of countries will follow other capitalist region in the world.

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March 16, 2018, 07:07:40 AM

I agree local product should promote and patronize first more than anything because when we do it more and more job created in our own country and more countrymen will be benefited from it and it also helps for the growth of the economy, while on the topic of capitalism there's always has these in any business who start business without it? I'am sure there is, but in any case there also some who started their business in small amount and become successful.

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Everybody is part of this , we all want stuff for the cheapest prices.
And if we can't get it we will get it overseas for a cheaper price , so people have to be willing to buy stuff locally.
It is a fact that if we want our country to become stable and economically strong, we need to invest into our own businesses and utilize products made by our very own people. In this way, we can save the large portion of budget that we use for importing things from other states.

Importing is not good for the overall economy of the country. Focusing on our own products quality improvement will reduce import ratio.
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Capitslism makes the poor to become poorer. I agree to what other say about them. They control markets and that is what they are good at. The poor ones become like slaves who unable to resists anything about the sysyem. Unable to defend oneself and there's nothing that could ever be done but accept that they are under the system. Its like they are digging holes for poor while they live happy atop of it. Why not patronize our own local products forget and about them? Maybe we need freedom.

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system in the history of man. The middle class has grown entirely out of a class of people who used to be poor. China will move an estimated 800 million people out of poverty and subsistence living to the middle class on the back of a predominantly capitalistic market, and that's only possible because China has embraced economic reform and moved away from a purely communist system.
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If you look at historic charts you can also see that despite the rise of the capitalism, the poverty index has changed in recent dekades and we have far less people who live in extreme poverty and have less than 1 dollar to live per day. If you look at the countries that are still very poor you often see rather socilism that doesn't work as now in Venezuela.

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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
capitalism is the major reason why many third-world countries are poor and cannot make head way in development and come out of poverty. Local content is the best way for any government to come out of poverty and suffering. Local products develop a country why capitalism enslave them. 

Unfettered capitalism is always a double edge sword (see Dirty Money in Netflix). It encourages scrupulous business practices just for profits. I think there should be a balance between capitalism and socialism to better the community instead of just a select few. The still widening wealth gap is creating more tension between the haves and have nots. Spreading the wealth will ensure sustainability of harmony in the community.

Things are not as black and white as often portrayed, capitalism has a bad reputation but it also means free market and less government. At the other end of the spectrum you get socialism where everything is regulated or owned by the government. The claim that capitalism is responsible for the poverty in 3rd world countries is misleading. Certain capitalistic countries as the US have certainly not done much for the farmers in african countries, except selling them their genetically upgraded seeds. But look at a socialistic led country as China and tell me how they have helped poor regions to prosper. You won't find anything either. Forget about these concepts. If the crypto revolution is successful there will be the biggest wealth transfer from rich to poor regardless what type of governments are in place.


In simple words capitalism "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."
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If you look at historic charts you can also see that despite the rise of the capitalism, the poverty index has changed in recent dekades and we have far less people who live in extreme poverty and have less than 1 dollar to live per day. If you look at the countries that are still very poor you often see rather socilism that doesn't work as now in Venezuela.

That's true. Also, it's important to point out that the rise of financial inequality which is always referred to by left-wing politicians and economists in their criticism of capitalism, doesn't mean that poor are becomin poorer. In fact, all income classes are becoming richer in the capitalist society, in spite of the increase of financial inequality.
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy. I believe that if people at the base level are given enough incentive, then those above them will reap greater rewards, and which will in turn trickle down back to those who built the entire system.

Why does capitalism so often neglect the backs upon which it's built? How does this system manage to thrive for so long, when the masses are receiving the least benefit?
thats why its called capitalist do you think they will allow the farmers to grow?if they do grow who will work for them?imagine if a farmer can gather enough amount to have their own land to crops so they will become equal,that is the main reason why capitalist need not to let those farmer to grow and find better lives..sad but this is reality and only a hard handed government that will have a dedication and will to take this as serious matter..

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