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February 05, 2017, 10:59:58 AM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy. I believe that if people at the base level are given enough incentive, then those above them will reap greater rewards, and which will in turn trickle down back to those who built the entire system.

Why does capitalism so often neglect the backs upon which it's built? How does this system manage to thrive for so long, when the masses are receiving the least benefit?

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February 05, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Capitalism has demonstrated that it is the only successful economic theory, with its competitors collapsing by the roadside over the last 100 years. Even China, which at one point was incorruptibly communist, has moved on. I think it is a bit too late to be talking about 'stopping capitalism'.

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February 05, 2017, 11:59:13 AM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Capitalism has demonstrated that it is the only successful economic theory, with its competitors collapsing by the roadside over the last 100 years. Even China, which at one point was incorruptibly communist, has moved on. I think it is a bit too late to be talking about 'stopping capitalism'.

I agree with you, Capitalism is not perfect but has proven to be the best among all the economic theory, competition brings out the best in people just look at the rate of growth in tech companies in the past 15years, you can't get that if it is government controlled communism
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February 05, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

Capitalism has demonstrated that it is the only successful economic theory, with its competitors collapsing by the roadside over the last 100 years. Even China, which at one point was incorruptibly communist, has moved on. I think it is a bit too late to be talking about 'stopping capitalism'.

I agree with you, Capitalism is not perfect but has proven to be the best among all the economic theory, competition brings out the best in people just look at the rate of growth in tech companies in the past 15years, you can't get that if it is government controlled communism
Yes indeed the capitalist and communist opposites, both are very contrasting. For development, kapitas economic system is very good and very advanced, but one I did not like with this economic system is that some gaps. Because who coined the large capital will dominate and those who have little capital will be difficult to develop. True as it says @pitham1 that it was already too late when talking about "stopping capitalism", many countries are already using this system.
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February 05, 2017, 01:28:17 PM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.
Yes communism is good than capitalism, local products will be out of competition due to multinational brand in capitalism and there will be devaluation of local currency. Promoting local products also insure jobs to locals as well as this can also promote export, which will make local fiat stronger.

 
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February 05, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

What do you understand by "capitalism"?Market economy?
What system can replace the market?
Your english is very poor and i don`t understand what exactly are you trying to say in your thread.
How can we stop capitalism?





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February 05, 2017, 03:04:38 PM
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The interesting discussion is not "capitalism" vs "communism". Both of them, in the variants that have really existed, are strongly authoritarian economic models. In Communism there is a state bureaucracy which hinders innovation, while in the "really-existing" Capitalism there are strong lobby groups composed by economic and state powers that do the same.

That's why I'm more interested in "libertarian" vs. "authoritarian" models, because every authoritarian model is a danger for innovation. There are "capitalist" and "communist" libertarian models. I don't know which are better because there was never a real intent to implement really libertarian and anti-authoritarian policies (only in some small communities, probably the biggest being some Spanish cities in the 1930s).

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February 05, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
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capitalism despite its many flaws is still the system that's much of the world has either embraced or is heading for. it also gave birth to globalisation which is more than likely to drag most of the people who currently benefit back down into the shit. 
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February 05, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
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Humanity has not yet found a better system than capitalism. Many economic systems have been tried many times. But none of them lasted as long as capitalism.
Wild capitalism and normal capitalism are different from each other. A capitalist order in which people have equal rights and freedoms will provide opportunities for everyone.
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February 05, 2017, 06:51:52 PM
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Capitalism socialism communism are empty words in that world.Base of capitalism is free market and competition instead that in westerness countrys are dominated by giant companys what with governaments support are kiling competition,free market is over specuated by flood of virtual money,real money has been changed in to debt money,nothing is real exept street what will aways tell you truth about current economic situation

 
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I have lived both sistems in two different countries and I can tell you without economic freedom there's not even a small chance for countries to develop, I wish every progresist kid out there would experience socialism himself before embracing it.
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February 05, 2017, 10:19:25 PM
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Well it looks like most people on this forum (a forum about money) are capitalists.  Shocking.

Other forms of economy have failed, like communism.  I have no doubt capitalism will survive.

People should promote local products and be proud
Yes, that's true, but you can be a staunch capitalist and still do that!  Viva la bitcoin!!

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If you are not able to live in a capitalist world you aren't able to live in any other kind of system. The only system prooved to give opportunity to all to have prosperity is capitalism, all other junk people say is lie.
Is the problem the corrupt governments? No, the problem is the nation that is corrupt and vote in corrupts.

 
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February 05, 2017, 10:29:47 PM
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Bitcoin is based on capitalism, since I'm pretty sure all forms of socialism are based on centralized control of the means of production. Meaning banks and currency would be under that control. Capitalism is really just freedom. Freedom to do what you want and freedom to discover and find value in things. The fact that we find value in Bitcoin is purely capitalistic in nature because there is no coercion.
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February 05, 2017, 11:05:28 PM
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I am agree with you that each country have to develop it's own products and manufacturing in general. I think that would make the life inside of concrete country much better. Capitalism today makes rich and developed only some of countries in the whole world and out her countries are staying without it own's wealth.
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I have lived both sistems in two different countries and I can tell you without economic freedom there's not even a small chance for countries to develop, I wish every progresist kid out there would experience socialism himself before embracing it.
Socialism is opium for the masses. People embrace it because of a number of facts, one being that it's easy. It gives people their share and doesn't seem to require much from them.
Living on social benefits instead of competing in a free market can feel like a better and easier life, but it's not.

There will always be more poor than rich, just like in the old days there were less lords than peasants. Every now and then the peasants will rebel and take the estates for themselves. They will try to create the society governed by peasants, where all people are equal. After some time they will find out equality is a myth because one peasant will work harder and be more innovative than others, which in time will lead to that innovative farmer becoming the richest and able to buy other farmer's lands. Next the smart farmer will start employing other farmers and they will leave their small fields unattended because helping the smart farmer will give them better profits, and smart farmer will buy them out as well. That's how socialism slowly turns into capitalism.

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Capitalism is just like democracy, it's not great but less worse than the last few we tried.

I have lived both sistems in two different countries and I can tell you without economic freedom there's not even a small chance for countries to develop, I wish every progresist kid out there would experience socialism himself before embracing it.
Socialism is opium for the masses. People embrace it because of a number of facts, one being that it's easy. It gives people their share and doesn't seem to require much from them.
Living on social benefits instead of competing in a free market can feel like a better and easier life, but it's not.

There will always be more poor than rich, just like in the old days there were less lords than peasants. Every now and then the peasants will rebel and take the estates for themselves. They will try to create the society governed by peasants, where all people are equal. After some time they will find out equality is a myth because one peasant will work harder and be more innovative than others, which in time will lead to that innovative farmer becoming the richest and able to buy other farmer's lands. Next the smart farmer will start employing other farmers and they will leave their small fields unattended because helping the smart farmer will give them better profits, and smart farmer will buy them out as well. That's how socialism slowly turns into capitalism.

Completely agree with this. Communism ignored one of the basics of human psychology - the need for control. Just looking at a child throw a tantrum when you take its toy should make it clear to anyone. People will work for what they want and people would always want more than they currently have. Take away this incentive - give them fixed amount regardless of how hard they worked, will cause them to just do the minimum required of them or even worse. "That lazy guy over there is getting as much as I do, why should I exert more effort?"

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February 06, 2017, 12:41:19 PM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

It is good to promote local products if those are quality products but its sad to say that in my country local products are usually not of good quality and thats why it affects the name of quality products that are locally made. Another thing is that locally made products lacks promotion and are not known nationwide and its market is very few. Compared to big companies that are backed up with huge funds for marketing and sales it is much known and well bought by the masses.
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February 06, 2017, 01:18:07 PM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

I doubt promoting local products is effective way to curb capitalist society. Capitalism is a gift of over and over practices and cannot be eradicated with such small efforts. I know you meant that promoting local products will help decent native manufacturers to make some profits. But in the wide scenario, MNCs have already seized the whole market, they even entered the local markets and producing products under their name.
"Colgate selling neem-enriched toothpaste." Is a good example how these MNCs are taking lead over local producers,

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February 16, 2017, 05:35:01 PM
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People should promote local products and be proud, it would a good way to have economic progress for any country. Stopping capitalism will help to balance the socio-economic hierarchy.

I totally agree with you, indeed, I think using an isolationist economic policy (like Donald Trump) is not a bad thing for a country. Globalization and capitalism are bad for the world.
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