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March 10, 2017, 12:22:10 AM
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Ethanol fuel is considered as one of the best alternative fuel other than fossil fuels. Ethanol is also greener than gasoline, because corn and other plants absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere as they grow. The fuel still releases carbon dioxide when you burn it, but the net increase is lower. Potentially, ethanol is also tailor-made for newer, higher-compression engines. Problem is, Ethanol has a lower energy content than energy-rich gasoline and diesel, and as such it delivers less power when burned.
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March 10, 2017, 12:36:11 AM
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Ethanol may be cheaper than gasoline, but there are drawbacks. Burning 1 gallon of ethanol fuel gives 34% less energy than burning the same amount of gasoline. Its energy content is about 70% of that of gasoline. Also, current version of the motor engines will need upgrades to make them work with ethanol fuel.
In my country, as fuel for the car is very widely used gas. It does not require engine modifications, and gas costs 2 times cheaper than gasoline. Bioethanol will not stand such competition and its production does not make sense.
Do you mean LPG? It's not as great as you're saying.
Firstly it does require engine modifications! You need an electronic valve system that feeds gas to the engine, because unlike gasoline it's pressurized and will look for the smallest opening to escape.
Next there's the cost of the tank that has to be fitted inside of your car's trunk. And lastly your car loses some of it's power. The engine will be a bit weaker on LPG and you will burn about 10% more LPG than gasoline on the same distance.
+10% gas easily overlap 50% savings on fuel cost. The loss of power I don't notice. Install the gas valve is not modification of the engine and installation of additional equipment. Cars can drive on both petrol and gas. The gas tank in the trunk is certainly a problem, but when you drive around town you rarely use the trunk so it was no problem.
Ok I agree with you, but if I were to give some more cons it would be:
-Rising prices of LPG (it used to be much cheaper 10 years ago than it is now)
-Higher risk of explosion after a crash. Gasoline rarely causes the car to explode it usually just burns, unlike in the movies.
-LPG equipment require checkups and maintenance that you will have to pay for
-The loss of power is significant, that's why you rarely see sports cars running on LPG
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March 10, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
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Engine modifications for the use of liquefied gas is not required. An extra injection system. It is quite another. The petrol engine remains. And the price of gas is really 2 times cheaper than gasoline. Can check it at the gas station.

Perhaps you are comparing the prices of 1 liter of CNG with 1 liter of gasoline. The energy efficiency of natural gas is lower than that of gasoline. 1 liter of gasoline is equivalent to 1.5362 liters of LNG. So you should compare the price of 1 liter of gasoline, with that of 1.5 liter of LNG.

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March 10, 2017, 06:13:54 AM
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Ethanol may be cheaper than gasoline, but there are drawbacks. Burning 1 gallon of ethanol fuel gives 34% less energy than burning the same amount of gasoline. Its energy content is about 70% of that of gasoline. Also, current version of the motor engines will need upgrades to make them work with ethanol fuel.
In my country, as fuel for the car is very widely used gas. It does not require engine modifications, and gas costs 2 times cheaper than gasoline. Bioethanol will not stand such competition and its production does not make sense.
Do you mean LPG? It's not as great as you're saying.
Firstly it does require engine modifications! You need an electronic valve system that feeds gas to the engine, because unlike gasoline it's pressurized and will look for the smallest opening to escape.
Next there's the cost of the tank that has to be fitted inside of your car's trunk. And lastly your car loses some of it's power. The engine will be a bit weaker on LPG and you will burn about 10% more LPG than gasoline on the same distance.
+10% gas easily overlap 50% savings on fuel cost. The loss of power I don't notice. Install the gas valve is not modification of the engine and installation of additional equipment. Cars can drive on both petrol and gas. The gas tank in the trunk is certainly a problem, but when you drive around town you rarely use the trunk so it was no problem.
Ok I agree with you, but if I were to give some more cons it would be:
-Rising prices of LPG (it used to be much cheaper 10 years ago than it is now)
-Higher risk of explosion after a crash. Gasoline rarely causes the car to explode it usually just burns, unlike in the movies.
-LPG equipment require checkups and maintenance that you will have to pay for
-The loss of power is significant, that's why you rarely see sports cars running on LPG

Traditionally all prices rise, this is nothing LPG specific. Currently in Australia, our LPG prices are roughly half the cost of petrol which makes LPG a cheaper alternative. I've converted my last three cars to run on LPG, the last one being a 1997 Subaru Impreza WRX.

There can be power losses when converted depending on the LPG system used. Typical mixer systems show the greatest power loss, with vapour injection losing less and liquid injection losing the least. Most quality vapour and liquid injections systems shown minimal loss at best over petrol and the vehicle can usually be re-tuned for LPG to run better than petrol.

In Australia the only increased cost of LPG ownership post initial purchase is having your tank checked every ten years to ensure it is in good condition. Other than that it's standard maintenance for the vehicle ie. check filters etc.

Higher risk of explosion is a load of bunk. LPG tanks are designed to withstand higher puncture forces and are less likely to rupture in the event of an accident.

As for running ethanol, I personally think it's a great alternative fuel. I run a dedicated race car on 85% ethanol and it loves it. The obvious draw back, as others have mentioned, is the lower energy density of ethanol. Most modern engines don't have an issue with ethanol and you usually only need to check rubber components in the fuel system to make sure that they are ethanol compatible.
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March 11, 2017, 01:49:45 PM
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Engine modifications for the use of liquefied gas is not required. An extra injection system. It is quite another. The petrol engine remains. And the price of gas is really 2 times cheaper than gasoline. Can check it at the gas station.

Perhaps you are comparing the prices of 1 liter of CNG with 1 liter of gasoline. The energy efficiency of natural gas is lower than that of gasoline. 1 liter of gasoline is equivalent to 1.5362 liters of LNG. So you should compare the price of 1 liter of gasoline, with that of 1.5 liter of LNG.
I have a car from Holland. It installed equipment for the use of LPG. Gasoline consumption in the city of 8 liters and 8 liters of gas. The dynamics of the car on gas even better.
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March 11, 2017, 03:47:50 PM
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I have a car from Holland. It installed equipment for the use of LPG. Gasoline consumption in the city of 8 liters and 8 liters of gas. The dynamics of the car on gas even better.

I was referring to LNG/CNG and you were referring to LPG. Both are different. LPG is slightly more efficient than LNG, but even then it is around 20% less efficient when compared to gasoline. 1 liter of gasoline is equivalent to 1.2470 liters of LPG.

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March 12, 2017, 01:51:46 PM
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If you make your own fuel, it will be much more expensive, than ordinary fuel from gas station. You can check this link, there are a lot of nice information on biofuels - http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/BioFuel/biofuels.htm.
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January 30, 2018, 09:42:29 AM
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etanol dengan jenis yang sama dengan yang di temukan pada minuman beralkohol dengan penggunaan sebagai bahan bakar etanol sering kali dijadikan bahan tambahan bensin sehingga menjadi biofuel
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ethanol fuel is a high-octane fuel, but rarely used for vehicles because the price is also quite high. so rarely used for daily consumption of materials
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