Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

[Lauda]

Are you going to me pay to do so?

You are already getting paid to handle the requests ?

We are not being paid to do the job of a campaign moderator. Actually we are not being paid at all, we get rewarded for contributions. You can technically not moderate at all in a month if you choose to.

of course you are gonna keep yourself in the 1% lolll,cursing them while wearing one ?

There's no real reason not to find a custom deal for myself if this is already allowed. I can't ban myself either. I'm completely for the removal of all signature campaigns and have been so for a while (since the influx of spam).

My point is not to accuse you guys but a Mod is the perfect guy to check the posts & if the enrollment is done by a script it wont affect the users.

No, you've got this wrong. That would take up too much of our time.

[steveds]

Actually we are not being paid at all, we get rewarded for contributions. You can technically not moderate at all in a month if you choose to.

Most of the people didn't get it,so i wont be quoting it,but as you are being rewarded for whatever work you are doing and majority of which is handling requests i assume then you will be doing the same in that case too.If there is a bot then you don't need to maintain/manage the campaign ? how come it increases the work or takes more of your time ? There would be no spreadsheet ,no drama like the bitmixer.

Now, who is checking the posts ? no one but the active users are and they(participants) risk a ban if they spam & get reported.

While a mod may not remove a post like "Thank you for this, it's really good!", a manager may not count it.

It is at least better than user judging user ? by the way the bitmixer bot wont count that post too.

[Lauda]

Most of the people didn't get it,so i wont be quoting it,but as you are being rewarded for whatever work you are doing and majority of which is handling requests i assume then you will be doing the same in that case too.If there is a bot then you don't need to maintain/manage the campaign ? how come it increases the work or takes more of your time ? There would be no spreadsheet ,no drama like the bitmixer.

Exactly how do you think that a staff team of ~10-15 moderators is supposed to look through (and asses) tens of thousands of posts monthly in addition to handling everything else that we've been handling so far? I wouldn't trust a bot to do this kind of work.

Now, who is checking the posts ? no one but the active users are and they(participants) risk a ban if they spam & get reported.

The managers should be doing that. In cases where they fail to do so, the staff picks up on individuals themselves or via reports.

[minifrij]

If there is a bot then you don't need to maintain/manage the campaign ?

And it would also remove some people's jobs while lowering overall post quality. Apart from participants earning more from spamming shitty posts, I cannot see any positives to this.

It is at least better than user judging user ?

How so? Humans can judge things better than any machine/bot currently.

by the way the bitmixer bot wont count that post too.

Due to the amount of characters in the post. This is not a good way to judge a post's quality.

[steveds]

The managers should be doing that.

I doubt that ever happens,what percentage of reports do you get from the managers ? that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.

How so? Humans can judge things better than any machine/bot currently.

I meant a Mod/staff judging not user to user.

[minifrij]

I doubt that ever happens

You doubt that managers actually do their jobs? That's a fairly bold assumption.

that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.

You think that the Staff only are such because they want to earn money? You really have a skewed view on the moderation on this forum; this almost certainly isn't the case.

I meant a Mod/staff judging not user to user.

It isn't the Staff's job to judge a user's post quality unless it is especially bad. Even so, I don't see why this invalidates what I said originally.

[steveds]

A big no,nothing of that is my assumption and i guess you need to go through it once more,you can take several meanings from one post if you separate it and that is why you are not able to read mine.

[Mitchell]

that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.

Fuck you.

[Lutpin]

A big no,nothing of that is my assumption and i guess you need to go through it once more,you can take several meanings from one post if you separate it and that is why you are not able to read mine.

How about you make a new thread, explain how incapable all campaign managers are in your option, why you think Mods should do work that isn't even part of their job and how the new concept you provide would make the situation any better?!

[Lauda]

that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.

Fuck you.

Seconded. People don't say that being a moderator is a thankless job for no reason.

It isn't the Staff's job to judge a user's post quality unless it is especially bad.

Exactly. We don't have time to judge every single user and every single post that they make.
In case you didn't mean the staff members, I know a manager who cared a lot about the post quality: Carra23.

[Indianacoin]

I think the recent posts are getting more or less inclined towards how to manage a campaign rather than the actual purpose of this thread.

Steveds you are thinking that a campaign can be easily managed by a bot which does not have any intelligence to go through the quality of user's posts but the quantity of their posts (character count).

For example I looked at some of your posts and in these posts although you have crossed the minimum character count but the posts are only of one sentence which is I think disallowed in the campaign you have joined.

So in these cases a bot will easily validate those posts just by character count but a sane manager will not do so.

Tl,dr - Every work in the world should not be automatized by bots. Why God gave you brains - The power to intelligence and skill?

[Mitchell]

Anyway, this has been off-topic enough (1 to 1.5 pages is long enough). Please get back on-topic, which is:
- Discussing signature campaigns
- Telling Shorena and me about signature campaign changes
- Telling Shorena and me about new signature campaigns

[steveds]

that is just another money making scheme,show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.

Fuck you.

OMGG how childish that is even after i said minifrij took it in wrong way.I never meant that to the staff and if minifrij cannot understand that then there is nothing much i can do bout it.I clearly said about the mangers and their reports.

well,it's ok.I came to see pretty decent thoughts and the ability to read the post in this discussion.

In case.

In case ? are you now not able to read English ? To be honest i now feel pity on these mental abilities.Good Luck.
Yes, i know Carra23 but i don't think he is involved like before though.

[minifrij]

are you now not able to read English ? To be honest i now feel pity on these mental abilities.

While I tend to try not to comment on people's linguistic abilities, you are in no place to talk about reading and writing english. For example, the way you wrote this:

show me one who actually has intentions to help reduce the spam otherwise.

Made it seem like you were speaking about Staff, rather than campaign managers. Please learn more about sentence structure and context when phrasing things.

If you aren't fluent in English, that's fine. Commenting on other people's ability is not.

Please get back on-topic

Sorry Mitchell.

[shorena]

Anyway, this has been off-topic enough (1 to 1.5 pages is long enough). Please get back on-topic, which is:
- Discussing signature campaigns
- Telling Shorena and me about signature campaign changes
- Telling Shorena and me about new signature campaigns

IMHO we are somewhat still discussing signature campaigns, their management and their implications for the forum (e.g. via spam) are directly related to the campaigns.

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In case ? are you now not able to read English ? To be honest i now feel pity on these mental abilities.Good Luck.
Yes, i know Carra23 but i don't think he is involved like before though.

Carra23 is - at the very least - one manager that heavily weeded out participants, same as ndnhc, zengryT, hilarious (was explicitly hired to manage and impove the low quality IIRC) and possibly others I forgot, like of course vervolioman. Good managers are hardly noticed, because everything runs without issue, which includes complaints about the participants to staff.
Not all managers are only after the quick cash, many are involved with the companies they campaign for and understand that its best for the company that their ads are below quality posts and not drivel.

moved Xotika.TV to FLUX -> http://pastebin.com/mJUYix2J

[Mitchell]

IMHO we are somewhat still discussing signature campaigns, their management and their implications for the forum (e.g. via spam) are directly related to the campaigns.

I disagree though. Campaign management has nothing to do with this thread as it's only meant to list signatures and maybe talk about what the best signature campaign is for somebody. Management and their implications on the forum sounds like a very Meta thing to talk about.

Anyway, I've updated the OP.

[worhiper_-_]

How much time of inactivity does it get for a campaign to be listed as flux? I have a request on betbtc campaign for two days now, manager has been online multiple times but didn't respond.

[Mitchell]

How much time of inactivity does it get for a campaign to be listed as flux? I have a request on betbtc campaign for two days now, manager has been online multiple times but didn't respond.

That's not what the FLUX category is about. If a campaign is in the FLUX category, it means that it opens and closes so many times that we don't want to keep updating it.

Being listed in this section means that the campaigns status between active and closed for new participants is changing at a pace that does not allow us to keep up with updates.

[Lutpin]

Anyway, I've updated the OP.

You forgot the title.
Shouldn't FLUX be green like Active and CFNP are?!

[DarkStar_]

BetBTC should be moved to CFNP.

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