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[JayJuanGee]

But hey.. I am not going to attempt to stop you.. Post away.. post whatever you like.. even if I might chime in about some of it (or others might chime in).. to the extent that I might be interested in what you might be saying/posting.

Treaty of Peace signed. I do like your criticism though.

I don't plan on going easy on you...

 

They will never be for crypto and always against it.

I can relate.

I am not really very much for crypto.... but I believe bitcoin is a pretty reasonable thing to include in your investment portfolio.

If I were to get some "crypto" I probably would want to spend it as soon as possible, because I don't really like to hold onto something if I do not have hardly any clues about what it is.  It sounds scary, just thinking about it..

crypto..

sounds scary to me...just on the face of it.

Yesterday's physical work was too much, post exertional malaise kicked in, now suffering the usual fatigue, blurred vision, brainfog. Hope it won't tast too long.
The worst is that i thought i was pretty much over it, sucks ass to find out i was wrong. Still, it was a lot of work, pretty hard. Ten years ago i had the same degree of symptoms after a 1 mile walk, lasting for about a week.

Well, that's too bad.

These kinds of things are very important for sure... because we want to be able to do physically demanding tasks in order to fit into society and also maybe enjoy certain aspects of society or contribute or to get credit for being able to get certain "things done" in the physical world... and of course, if a person's body cannot do physical things then there are brain activities, so we would not want the physical activities to put us into a state in which we cannot even accomplish the brain activities, either.  

Surely, none of us know your exact circumstance, but surely there are aspects in which I can relate.. for sure.  Some of these experiences can be a matter of kind or a matter of degree, and as we get older we are not able to do some things that we used to be able to do.. and surely some folks might be more accelerated in their deterioration than others.. so some of it may be a matter of degree than kind.  

I am hesitating to give my own example, but I had a situation in which I was trying to do something that I used to be able to do, and I was able to partially do it, and I know if I spent a lot of time on practicing, I could improve, but at the same time, I was starting to think that maybe there are better ways to spend my time.... .... but of course, the more basic the activity that cannot be done, then the more difficult that it might be to choose not to do that activity anymore because there would sometimes be questions of self-reliance involved, too.

This is different. In this case i was happy that i accomplished the physical task, even feeling active, satisfied and a little proud.
The aftermath always follows about a day later: Muscle pain in different groups, not symmetrical, and "moving" over your whole body in a course of a few days, shortness of breath with higer frequency, trouble concentrating, short time memory problems, blurry vision (kind of doubled, still can't read my smartphone without trouble), slow adjusting blood pressure (vertigo after standing up), tinnitus.
I have some remedies at hand, which speeds up the recovery. Most important: Absolutely stopping activity. No hard concentrating, no stress, no physically demanding tasks. THis makes the wnergy "headroom"grow faster. I feel like 20-30% recovered now.
It's also a shitty syndrome because most doctors fail to diagnose it properly.


Hmm, real life calling. read yours later

The fact that you know what it is and how to deal with it is a good thing; however, it seems that i was partly referring to your description that too much physical exertion had caused it - whether you are referring to too much time engaged in the physical exertion or that you had excessive levels of exertion within the time period.

Many of us know that physical exertion tends to be good for us in a variety of ways, but if you have a condition in which you have to be careful NOT to overdo the physical exertion, then you are part way to a solution, except it seems to me that you really are having some troubles in figuring out at what point you might have gone overboard... 

Of course you have already disclosed earlier that you are not like an elderly person, so elderly persons deal with variations of this, but even some younger people have to careful in terms of the amount of their exertion too... but a normal body can frequently benefit from exertion up to a point.

Maybe I am not really making any point beyond saying that even if people might not have your exact condition, there are various ways that people might still be able to relate to you and they do have various likelihoods of experiencing some of those trade offs and some folks might not want to get into some of the specifics of some of the trade-offs that they sometimes need to make.. and when we are really young, we might not even realize some of the trade offs because frequently we will consider truisms such as, "whatever does not kill us will make us stronger," but as we get older we may well realize that is not always the case.. even if there could be some truth to aspects of the saying that are more true when we are younger.. and maybe prior to injury or illness that many people develop some of these conditions as they get older.

I have never heard of anyone who actually did not start to deteriorate in various aspects of his/her condition as getting older, and some people are able to preserve more stamina and aspects of their life, even at an older age.. so there might be some luck in aspects of that too (not saying to not engage in various preparations and therapy).  I have also have heard some members in this forum proclaim that age is nothing but a number, and I surely don't believe that, either.

[shahzadafzal]

Bitcoin 2022 is a four day journey for those who want more freedom and individual autonomy Meet in Miami for the world's largest gathering of bitcoins.
Bitcoin 2022 Conference Industry Day Nakamoto Stage.
start soon: https://youtu.be/P-8IjYWIfKw

I do plan to attend a Miami Conference at some stage. It does look really fun, I haven’t been to one yet though. There are rumours circulating that Apple might be doing a partnership with Strike & Jack Mallers will announce it at the Miami Conference tomorrow. We’ll see what happens but that’d be bullish AF.

Bitcoin + Miami + Chicks

Following it on Twitter and astonished so many hotties in the “technology”.

Modern solutions!

[ImThour]

My Twitter Feed today. 

https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1511690259859484682
https://twitter.com/BTC_Archive/status/1511689673055346691
https://twitter.com/AltcoinDailyio/status/1511688170223583232

[ChartBuddy]

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[shahzadafzal]

[NoorulHuda]

Every single tweet right now on Bitcoin Twitter “Look I am going to Miami”

[Torque]

https://twitter.com/aliceysu/status/1511558828802068481

Is this a dystopian nightmare scene from the new Blade Runner movie?

Oh no, wait... it's from Shanghai.  

[savetherainforest]

They will never be for crypto and always against it.

I can relate.

I am not really very much for crypto.... but I believe bitcoin is a pretty reasonable thing to include in your investment portfolio.

If I were to get some "crypto" I probably would want to spend it as soon as possible, because I don't really like to hold onto something if I do not have hardly any clues about what it is.  It sounds scary, just thinking about it..

crypto..

sounds scary to me...just on the face of it.

I can relate as well. I'm always afraid of "crypto", the ones that I don't know, but some that I own are mostly sound. I still have my B-Cash coins from before the split/fork. Got some Litecoin, DGB, very little Shiba (I hate that it's an ERC-20 token), ETH I have just like 0.1 that I keep for fees. I mostly have the limited supply coins and with a network that has some sort of 'proof of work' whatever the f^ck that might entail. The BTCiTcoin I don't rly care much about it, the Core wallet is buried in the dirt. A time capsule with a 1TB HDD, but if the wallet reaches 700GB I will probably have to pull it out of the ground and meditate if the Universe wants me to sell or put it in a crypto with a wallet that is like 3 < > 30 GB max for now or then.   

Sadly..  .. For me BTCiTcoin, it is as if it doesn't even exist, it's 'fugazi' / pixie dust. I am of the belief that I need to work at least on trades and try to do that 1-5% per day or at least even 0.1% would be fine, because I need to keep practice of being of the belief or maybe even trick my mind that I'm actually 'working' or doing something 'relevant'.   

The world gets weird. Observing others work all around you makes you feel like an outsider. You need to blend in and always pretend that you are poor. It is a good practice and keeps your mind sharp.     

[ChartBuddy]

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[ImThour]

But hey.. I am not going to attempt to stop you.. Post away.. post whatever you like.. even if I might chime in about some of it (or others might chime in).. to the extent that I might be interested in what you might be saying/posting.

Treaty of Peace signed. I do like your criticism though.

I don't plan on going easy on you...

 

Easy is for low IQ peeps, remember, we were in Top 10

Haha

[BobLawblaw]

Bitcoin 2022 is a four day journey for those who want more freedom and individual autonomy Meet in Miami for the world's largest gathering of bitcoins.
Bitcoin 2022 Conference Industry Day Nakamoto Stage.
start soon: https://youtu.be/P-8IjYWIfKw

Tell Serena Williams I said "Fuck off you she-beast"

[ImThour]

Go Micheal go!

Market crashes everytime he posts his company's buying. :3

Then I hope you appreciate my quick posting on the WO for you to short the market!

He is the best indicator in the world to SHORT BTC.

[ChartBuddy]

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[Toxic2040]

daytarders


maximalists

[cAPSLOCK]

Bitcoin 2022 is a four day journey for those who want more freedom and individual autonomy Meet in Miami for the world's largest gathering of bitcoins.
Bitcoin 2022 Conference Industry Day Nakamoto Stage.
start soon: https://youtu.be/P-8IjYWIfKw

I do plan to attend a Miami Conference at some stage. It does look really fun, I haven’t been to one yet though. There are rumours circulating that Apple might be doing a partnership with Strike & Jack Mallers will announce it at the Miami Conference tomorrow. We’ll see what happens but that’d be bullish AF.

Also heard these rumors...

A few negative thoughts...  Apple does not let other companies take the limelight.  They lead on their significant announcements usually.  I hope this is not just Strike "partnering" with Apple to use Apple Pay via the Strike App or something like that.

But Mallers does not tend to hype small stuff that much.  There are few announcements that will live up to last year, too...

[shahzadafzal]

Another view


And before bitcoin
 

[cAPSLOCK]

Seems to me we are seeing a reasonable retest of the break through the trend line here...  So which way, young bitcoin?

[Richy_T]

A time capsule with a 1TB HDD, but if the wallet reaches 700GB I will probably have to pull it out of the ground and meditate if the Universe wants me to sell or put it in a crypto with a wallet that is like 3 < > 30 GB max for now or then.   

You can always pull the key(s) (you do have backups anyway, right) and import them into a non-node wallet (you're not actually running one at the moment anyway). Or just turn them into paper wallets.

[ChartBuddy]

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[AlcoHoDL]

Intel Launches New Bitcoin Mining Chips Focused on Sustainability

That doesn't make sense. If efficient chips are cheap, miners will just buy more of them and consume more energy.
If the chips are expensive, I bet producing them costs a lot of energy. One way or another, the sum of money spent on hardware and electricity will depend on how much money there is to be made mining.

Going from 27.5 or 31 J/TH to 26 J/TH doesn't really do much for sustainability anyway.

It is a closed-loop, energy-conserved system. If Intel releases mining chips that are more efficient (i.e., consume less energy per terahash) than conventional chips, miners will simply buy more such chips to make use of the resulting energy surplus. Difficulty will increase, reaching a new equilibrium, where the total energy used will get back to where it was before Intel's chips. The only way to limit energy usage is by legislation, i.e. somehow making it illegal to exceed an upper energy threshold when mining Bitcoin, effectively putting a cap on Bitcoin's price. As long as miners are allowed to use all energy available to them for mining, they will (and Bitcoin's price will increase accordingly). Whether that energy is powering GPUs or ASICs is irrelevant.

The reason Bitcoin mining uses more energy now than 10 years ago is not because of ASICs or new technology. It's simply because 10 years ago miners didn't care so much about Bitcoin and thus did not want to use a lot of energy. That's why price was so low then and is so high now. The more energy the network uses, the higher Bitcoin's value becomes. Limiting energy used for mining is equivalent to limiting Bitcoin price from increasing.

It's called Proof of Work for a reason. It's all about energy transfer. Electrical energy to "monetary" energy (value), and, according to the 1st law of thermodynamics, energy is conserved. Limit one, and you limit the other.

In several ways, I agree with points that you are making, but several of your points are phrased in ways that are confusing to me, because even though I consider incentives behind bitcoin mining to be a kind of moving dynamic – that will adjust to changes in technology, BTC price legislative factors and other factors such as number of other miners, I still find some of your explanation to be problematic because I cannot really tell if you are suggesting that miners are responding to BTC price or causing the BTC price to change, and also the part about legislators being able to control aspects of mining seems to be playing into what they want to do, but not so much describing what they are able to accomplish.  

Of course, I am not going to be saying anything that you do not know, but one of the interesting  dynamics of bitcoin is that it both assumes selfish behavior and it assumes bad actors, so in some sense bitcoin has some abilities to adjust to bad actors – including the difficulty adjustment, but also if legislators/governments put impediments onto bitcoin, then the mining and perhaps even use cases for bitcoin will likely move to less hostile jurisdictions, so part of the dynamics of having value imbedded into the coin would be that to engage in certain kinds of attacks against the network, the attacker has to engage in behavior that attacks himself….so I am bothered about whether that is fairly described as a “closed loop” or a self correction mechanism that you seem to be hinting at.. and for sure the dynamics are going to change and move in accordance with where some of the attacks might be made – and hopefully be able to survive in the end… so yeah, merely having a stake in the system is not enough to control the system, either… and maybe I am just bothered by a kind of seeming assumption that legislators might be able to be successful without having to gain widespread control in a variety of jurisdictions – which seems really difficult to achieve because some legislators are already getting on the bitcoin train and are likely to continue to get on the bitcoin train rather than attacking it (if they know what is for their own good)….

But one thing about bitcoin is that there is no coercion… Legislators, financial institutions, status quo rich, can each decide whether to jump on the bitcoin train, fight against bitcoin or to remain neutral, and with the passage of time, we will find out how their decisions are playing out, and even if they do not jump on board in 2014, or in 2018 or in 2021 or in 2025, there is nothing stopping them from jumping on board later, even if the train has gone further up the hill and they might have to jump on the more luxury version rather than the previously clunky version.

Yes, I see your points, and sure, things can get very complicated when trying to understand the inner workings and dynamic processes of the Bitcoin network, as it interacts with human behavior and responds to adoption, attacks, legislations, environmental concerns, bans, etc. As I have stated numerous times here in WO, I believe no one can really predict Bitcoin's short-term behavior, which is the reason why I completely disregard all posts trying to find patterns in charts whose t-axis is shorter than 4 years (the 200-Week Moving Average indicator horizon).

In my energy conservation analysis quoted above, I'm taking a simplistic (yet valid, IMHO) approach, treating Bitcoin as a black box, with energy going in, and value coming out. Simply put, the less energy (i.e., cheaper mining) you put in, the less value is going to be generated. I suppose this is yet another confirmation that "there is no free lunch" in this universe. An equilibrium must be maintained.

Legally limiting the cost (energy) of mining is not the way to go, it will inevitably hurt Bitcoin's value, and I'm not even sure it can be practically enforced. What can, perhaps, be done, as philipma1957 has pointed out, is to tax dirty energy and encourage clean energy use for mining. But you can be sure that the energy used (clean or dirty) will still be very, VERY expensive, and will get even more expensive as Bitcoin adoption soars in the future. And rightly so. It shouldn't be easy or cheap to generate Bitcoin. It's a precious thing!