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Lots of 2018+ bitcoinners are going to wake up to this.  Embarrassed  Also sorry to hear of your loss nutildah.
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Something to think about...

The CC hack was discovered using AI to find weakness in CCs RNG code.  Its honestly awful. They dropped the generation down to 64 bits entropy via some fairly retarded roll your own cryptographic junk code.

But!!!

If you created a public key on ANYTHING electronic there is risk. Creating a good rng is actually sort of impossible since there's no such thing as an rng.

In my humble opinion...

If:

- you produced a key on ANY electronic device
- you are using a single sig wallet
- you do not use a bip39 passphrase

Then it makes sense to carefully upgrade your security right away to
- produce key(s) manually
- consider a (NON TAPROOT (BC1P...)) multisig setup*
- DO use a STRONG bip 39 passphrase

The reason is... If AI can find more RNG vulnerabilities then a naked single sig wallet may be able to be brute forced. That is what is happening here. We are trusting the RNG on a teeny esp32 like device. I predict we will see more of this soon. Ledgers, Trezors, jades, seedsigners etc are all potentially vulnerable similarly. No matter what companies say.

*be aware. Added complexity like multisig increases both entropy AND footguns. Be careful, calm, take your time and always test with small transactions first.

I am glad to publicly or privately help anyone here though I know this is a crowd who already knows what they are doing.  Right?

AI does not need to attack bitcoin when it can attack the mistakes we make.
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Something to think about...

The CC hack was discovered using AI to find weakness in CCs RNG code.
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If AI can find more RNG vulnerabilities then a naked single sig wallet may be able to be brute forced. That is what is happening here.

That's exactly what happened to us as well: exploitation of a junky random number generator. There was a fix for it in the Counterparty web wallet early on that appeared to be passed on to Dogeparty but never actually was.
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I see on the news that Spain is getting invaded by tens of thousands of Morocco migrants breaking through the border. 98% of the migrants are men with no shirt on their back and no clothing or money. It's reported that many are already breaking into homes and businesses in Spain's Ceuta Territory.  The border has totally collapsed.

Trump warned Europe about open borders and Spain is said to have officially welcomed anyone and even offering free living standards for everyone!    






Open borders with free and unchecked travel.

SO I leave my house doors open you can come in eat my food fuck me my wife and the kids.

That is the full realization of open borders.

Or what's yours is mine and what's mine is yours.


Systems like that don't work.

never did and never will.

On the other hand, people wanted globalization, and migration is a consequence of it (among other poorly handled problems).

That's a bit twisted, innit?
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SUPER IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT

If you have used a ColdCard to produce private keys you ought to move your funds to new secure keys (perhaps produced by using dice or coins) as soon as possible!

https://blog.coinkite.com/coldcard-mk3-seed-generation-warning/

Attackers have already moved 600 coins.

Personally I'd move coins nomatter the hw/sw versions if you used a coldcard to make keys.

@bobclawblaw perhaps a topic to consider is this exploit!


This might kill CoinKite.

cAPSLOCK tagged me about the Coldcard thing. I dug through the technicals  here's the full picture for anyone who wants more than the headline.

Timeline of the bug

March 2021: Coinkite merged commit b18723dd. They migrated wallet seed generation from ckcc.rng_bytes() (direct STM32 hardware TRNG) to ngu.random.bytes() (their libNgU wrapper around MicroPython). The goal was to standardize on Bitcoin Core's libsecp256k1. The intention was fine. The integration was not.

Here's the specific code failure: libNgU's guard uses #ifndef MICROPY_HW_ENABLE_RNG  it checks whether the macro is defined at all, not whether its value is non-zero. Coldcard's board config defines MICROPY_HW_ENABLE_RNG as (0) because they provide their own hardware RNG wrapper. So the guard passes, but the actual rng_get() resolves to MicroPython's Yasmarang fallback instead of the STM32 hardware TRNG.

Yasmarang is a deterministic PRNG from 2001. Four words of state: pad, n, d, dat. Seeded from the MCU UID (fixed factory serial), SysTick counter, and RTC registers. None of those are secrets.

For Mk3 users: that's it. No cryptographic entropy added at all. Coinkite estimates the effective search space at ~40 bits. That's brute-forceable if you can constrain the timing window.

For Mk4/Q/Mk5: slightly better but not safe. They added a boot-time reseed from the secure elements. Problem: only 4 bytes (32 bits) of the hash survive. The reseed function replaces exactly one word of the Yasmarang state. Block.xyz's analysis puts the ceiling at 2^32 distinct output streams.

The exploit

Between 01:31 and 01:56 UTC on July 30: 594 BTC (~$38M) drained from ~500 single-signature addresses. 1,324 chunks across 500 transactions inside a 3-block window. 562 BTC consolidated into bc1qq85v2c926eg6pgxhwp6q7lf6cnsz80qs3fcu9r  hasn't moved since.

Every drained address held >0.15 BTC. Many dormant for years. The coin age matches the bug window almost exactly  2021 to 2026.

The attacker didn't need to compromise devices. They narrowed UID ranges (STM32 UIDs are sequential and partially guessable from manufacture date), constrained timing windows, brute-forced seeds offline. A single on-chain public key from any of those addresses served as their validation oracle.

Dice rolls save you

If you entered 50+ fair, private dice rolls during seed creation: the advisory says you're fine from this RNG issue, because those rolls get independently hashed into the result. Fewer than 50 or unclear: migrate.

Passphrases help proportionally to their strength. A strong, unique BIP-39 passphrase adds an independent barrier. A weak one you used for four other wallets doesn't.

What I'd do if I had a Coldcard-generated seed from 2021 onward

Don't wait. Don't check whether your addresses appear in the compromised list  the attacker may not have gotten to yours yet. Upgrade firmware to 5.6.0 (Mk4/Mk5) or 1.5.0Q (Q1), generate a new seed, migrate. Send a test transaction first. Verify the new receive address on the device screen.

The broader lesson

Hardware wallets are hardware wallets  they isolate the private key from your internet-connected machine. They don't automatically guarantee that the random number generator is doing what you think it's doing. This is the kind of bug that external audit, FIPS validation, and AI-assisted code review all missed. The code was open source the whole time, which is how Block's engineers and anonymous researchers found the root cause within hours of the first reports being noticed.

Coinkite handled it right: fast advisory, detailed technical backgrounder within hours, immediate firmware patch with no new features, clear migration guidance. Transparency is the only play in Bitcoin.

But if you used one of these devices to generate keys in the last five years, transparency from the vendor doesn't put your coins back. Move them now.
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This might kill CoinKite.

Sadly, yes.
I liked coinkote devices, even if I never used one, luckily.
But this kind of error is fatal.
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SUPER IMPORTANT SECURITY ALERT

If you have used a ColdCard to produce private keys you ought to move your funds to new secure keys (perhaps produced by using dice or coins) as soon as possible!

https://blog.coinkite.com/coldcard-mk3-seed-generation-warning/

Attackers have already moved 600 coins.

Personally I'd move coins nomatter the hw/sw versions if you used a coldcard to make keys.

@bobclawblaw perhaps a topic to consider is this exploit!


This might kill CoinKite.

So, is this the type of security that people must worry about if they self-custody?  Roll Eyes
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