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Where is the profit in this strategy, next to the exchange collecting fees?

Sure, profits might not be tangible for each person, and sure the costs might outweigh the benefits for some people.

Yes, I understand that my attempts to describe various ways that I profit from this might frequently get lost in my long texts, but I have attempted to describe various ways that I profit with this technique, and maybe I can summarize my profits by having peace of mind so that when the price goes down from $10,500 to $3,850 in a relatively short period of time (about 30 days, right?), I have money that I can buy BTC all the way down without injecting new money.  There is a kind of insurance in that and a kind of emotional freedom, including that I still have more cushion left, too. 

Same thing when the BTC price goes shooting up from $4,200 to $13,880 in about 3 months.  I feel that my profits were not just on paper,  because I shaved off some BTC at various intervals all the way up, and I have that money available to buy back if I want, or maybe at some later date, I can just decide, fuck it and withdraw the money, I did not squander that opportunity by just sitting on my BTC.  Sure, maybe these are NOT exactly tangible profits. 

By the way, my buy and sell orders are sufficiently spread apart that exchange fees are only a small fraction of the money that is stacked on either end.  Surely some fees have gone up during the years, but most of the time they are still less than .5%, so a back and forth move would be around 1% in fees, but if my spread is currently at around $1,000, then at current prices that is about a 14%...   In the olden days, I used to trade much smaller spreads, so the exchange fees ended up constituting a higher portion, but the trades would execute way more frequently too, so in the end, any strategy should at minimum cover the fees and have some profit in there, otherwise, I would agree with your suggested concern that the fees might be eating up way too much of what is stacked away by making the various trades.  So the example that I used in my earlier posts of about 22 buy trades being executed all the way down from $9k to $4k.. something like that.. and so all of the orders that got filled will all add up to a portion of principle, a portion of profit and a portion of fees, and the fees would likely be less than 5% of the overall profit amount (and sure your milage may vary depending on how you set your order increments and spreads and which exchanges you use in terms of how high the fees are).
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https://twitter.com/cryptograffiti/status/1245724893305397249

For duderino_ Wink although surely the decoration of their gym already includes something of this style.
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April 03, 2020, 07:47:18 AM

... finally we get to hear the truth from the commie news network, this virus is truly airborne. It spreads by breathing alone. If you paid attention you would have known this from early days but WHO and CDC and most western governmental advice has only been droplet spread based.

Experts tell White House coronavirus can spread through talking or even just breathing

Nobody is listening to your FUD attempts at this point.
That's a strong fail. Wink
Seems we're back to: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion


... headin for the hills, watchout for snakebite pandemic.

Watch out for the grizzlies.
Hm. Do you have grizzlies at Langley?
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April 03, 2020, 07:49:06 AM

I lack a strategy.

 There is no strategy, but to HODL, when dealing with the honey badger.

 If you try to trade, you're gonna have a bad time.

My strategy; I refuse to make losing trades...

this means I have been stuck in some positions for over 2 years

so yeah...bad time

Well, see, that's one benefit of the J strategy.

You never sell a coin for less than you bought it. And you never buy a coin for more than you sold it. What could possibly be better?

I mean, yeah - when it does a monotonic up, we're left with less Bitcoin, and a pile of stinky fiat as consolation. But to the point that it bounces, we sometimes cover that in advance.
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April 03, 2020, 07:51:03 AM

Amid coronavirus scare, Americans flock to remote land, survival retreats


... headin for the hills, watchout for snakebite pandemic.

(tunes) run for your lii i ayiiife...
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wait... what? Seriously!?
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April 03, 2020, 07:58:07 AM

That fancy beer in the shops isn't essential. It's doubleplusungood.

Well, if we're really going _there_, it's crappy, greasy (presumably british) gin that we're supposed to be swilling.

Big brother would have it no other way.

Boot on the face of humanity an all...
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April 03, 2020, 07:59:42 AM

Amid coronavirus scare, Americans flock to remote land, survival retreats


... headin for the hills, watchout for snakebite pandemic.
My shorts are rekt. I get frightened easily and misled by leftist media. Im getting sad and frustrated that nobody bought into the fear that made me pee my pants.

Man up and cover soon sissy. I bet you are scared of snakes too.  Cheesy
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April 03, 2020, 08:00:48 AM

LOL Doomcallers. Tell us more about your secret fears and terrors.  Grin

40 days until the Halvening, and all is well(as long as you don't cry when you see scary things like snakes, cars, bicycles, stairs, cigarettes, beer, fatty foods, or toddlers sneezing.)  Wink
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April 03, 2020, 08:01:54 AM

BTC is very volatile, so starting with an amount of cash and BTC, there should be a sure way to end up with more in the end.

Of course if you consider that BTC will go up and up, then just buy BTC with the cash and you're done, but IMHO you lose opportunities.

Dude. Or dudette. Upthread. Ignore at your peril.

Though with the 'lose opportunities' dig, you might be looking for a risky play. No love for that here.

And you were _so_ close.
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April 03, 2020, 08:06:13 AM

RIP Adam Schlesinger. You will be missed.

I had no idea until tonight how much he contributed.

That said, I still think Stacy's mom is hot AF.
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April 03, 2020, 08:17:47 AM

If the physician is the least bit established, most office visit claims are processed as "clean claims," meaning they are automatically processed. They don't have to "fight the insurance company" or "chase reimbursement." They submit the claim and receive payment for it with no questions asked.

Well, I think you previously said that you worked in this field. I don't wanna argue with you. But I gotta ask - for every one of you, how many doctors?

Which kinda gets to my point. Decades ago, when you went to the doctor, you saw the goddammned _doctor_. He (all right, only occasionally she) had the bandwidth to deal with your medical issues, and do the billing. Because It consisted of simply sending an invoice.

Today? I dunno. But I'd be unsurprised if I learned that there are four billing specialists for every fucking MD on the planet.

That's a lot of unhelpful mouths to feed.
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https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-people-who-died-of-animal-attack/reference?page=2

The Earth is a scary place.  Roll Eyes
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April 03, 2020, 08:32:35 AM

Currently, I am using around $250 increments and my spreads are around $900...

I have gone back and forth with jbreher on this topic of increments, and he seems to have way the fuck smaller increments than me, and he claims to be making a killing whether the BTC price is going down or it is going up, he is saying that he is making a killing..

Jeebus - my eyes glazed over again - I almost fell asleep before I saw my name.

No, I don't claim to be making a killing - just harvesting a consistently nice bit of the volatility.

Firstly, my current increments are exactly what you claim to be employing. But I think I see the issue that keeps you thinking all the time, instead of just rote executing. What is this $900 spread of which you speak?

Nay, if my increment is $250, my spread is $500. So any order gets entered exactly as the order two before it (think about it).*

* spread has to be 2X increment. If a buy, fill the middle with a sell. If a sell, fill the middle with a buy. duh.

Well, it is a strategy.
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If the physician is the least bit established, most office visit claims are processed as "clean claims," meaning they are automatically processed. They don't have to "fight the insurance company" or "chase reimbursement." They submit the claim and receive payment for it with no questions asked.

Well, I think you previously said that you worked in this field. I don't wanna argue with you. But I gotta ask - for every one of you, how many doctors?

Which kinda gets to my point. Decades ago, when you went to the doctor, you saw the goddammned _doctor_. He (all right, only occasionally she) had the bandwidth to deal with your medical issues, and do the billing. Because It consisted of simply sending an invoice.

Today? I dunno. But I'd be unsurprised if I learned that there are four billing specialists for every fucking MD on the planet.

That's a lot of unhelpful mouths to feed.

You're a bit off in the terminology here. Medical billers are hired by physicians and hospitals to file their claims for them -- they are paid directly by the physician or hospital. Claims examiners are those who work for the insurance companies and process the claims submitted by the medical billers. I've worked on both sides of the equation, and indeed it is overburdened with personnel on both sides.

Hey, I'm all for a Public Option when it comes to healthcare insurance. As I said earlier there's a lot of middlemen that could be cut out of the equation if the system wasn't capitalistically incentivized. It would also weed out the doctors who are motivated solely by profit and don't give a shit about the actual welfare of their patients.
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Currently, I am using around $250 increments and my spreads are around $900...

I have gone back and forth with jbreher on this topic of increments, and he seems to have way the fuck smaller increments than me, and he claims to be making a killing whether the BTC price is going down or it is going up, he is saying that he is making a killing..

Jeebus - my eyes glazed over again - I almost fell asleep before I saw my name.

Yeah.. maybe I should have highlighted or some way of making it easier for you to see.


No, I don't claim to be making a killing - just harvesting a consistently nice bit of the volatility.

You are correct, "killing" might be a wee bit too strong... .



Firstly, my current increments are exactly what you claim to be employing. But I think I see the issue that keeps you thinking all the time, instead of just rote executing. What is this $900 spread of which you speak?

For example, currently, my next buy order is at $6,300-ish and my next sell order is at $7,450 - ish

So maybe the spread is $1,150; however, my last sell was at $7,200-ish, so I am thinking that the buy back for the sale is $900 cheaper than the price that I sold... even though really the spread between my next action of some sort of buy and sell might be considered higher than $900.

so yeah, by increments I mean that every additional $250 down, I buy some more.. . and every additional $250 up I sell some more.

I did think that you used to have much smaller increments and even a smaller spread, too.



Nay, if my increment is $250, my spread is $500. So any order gets entered exactly as the order two before it (think about it).*

I used to do something closer to that, but I did not like it and I think that part of the reason was that I thought that I was spinning my wheels too much in terms of ratio of profits to fees, and also maybe I felt that such a small spread just caused my orders to trigger way too often.  I prefer what I am doing now largely for those two reasons.

By the way, we have been in these prices for so long that my order locations are largely in my head, too... so I don't really have too much time with that, except maybe sometimes orders might not get hit for a week or more.. sometimes only a few orders hit in a month's time.. but surely in recent times they have been getting hit quite a bit.

* spread has to be 2X increment. If a buy, fill the middle with a sell. If a sell, fill the middle with a buy. duh.

Well, it is a strategy.

Sure.. there is not ONLY one way to structure the buy and sell orders and the tweaking from time to time and the thought process around resetting matter, but surely it takes me more than 12 seconds on average per buy/sell order to reset such buy or sell orders after they have been filled, and maybe I fart around in other ways, too that cause me to believe that sometimes when a bunch of orders execute, then I sometimes will feel that i am spending a decent amount of time on considering some matters (or gloating perhaps), but some of that might be other aspects that i want to monitor whether deemed as trade secrets or not.. or personal analyzing details that I just do not feel willing to share.  

Sometimes I might feel like a bot when going through some of the mechanics of setting orders and keeping track and tweaking, even though I am not a bot.. and sometimes I am not sure how well what I do could be replaced by a bot, even though there are ways to set up what I do like a bot would do and also to carry out the functions like a bot, and maybe if orders are filling quickly and repetitively, then maybe some of my actions do become more robotic during those kinds of times, so there is that aspect, too... but still no where close to 12 seconds per order reset.. nothing close to that...

Oh, I just thought of another tweaking thingie-ma-jiggie that I have been doing in the past couple of weeks whenever sell orders fill, which I have been tweaking my buy orders all the way down to $3k... For sure, I do not want to have those buy orders executed.. but that has been taking a bit more work to use some of the proceeds of recent sell orders to cover higher amounts at lower prices and lesser amounts at higher prices (a kind of ongoing redistribution of buy orders to make me feel much MOAR better, even though I hope that those buy orders between $3k and $5k never, ever, ever fill).  
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 sars-cov-2 viral encephalitis ... confirmed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8181257/Coronavirus-damage-brains-patients-reports-suggests.html
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Some coronavirus patients may suffer brain damage as a result of the devastating infection, doctors around the world are warning.  

One Florida patient in his 70s lost the ability to speak at least temporarily, The New York Times reported.  

Brain scans of a woman in her 50s taken in Detroit revealed that some of her brain cells had died as a result of a rare complication of the infection.

And similar attacks on the central nervous system have been seen in Italy and China.  
... the reports paint a worrying picture of its potential for long-term effects.

... shit just keep getting better and better, at least now we know why the governments are panic crashing the economy to shut everyone in their houses ... this shit is worse than they are saying yet letting it out slowly ... first just the flu bro, then a bad flu, then hitting the oldies hard , blah-blah-blah, we've been lied to the whole way along.

... it's likely the early reports from china of brain, kidney, testes, nervous system damage potential and an immuno-compromised infected population are all potential long term effects and will come to light in due course ... if the governments ever admit they knew a priori is another problem, probably intelligence agencies definitely knew, it's their job. So if they were doing their jobs why weren't they telling us? Who are they really working for if not the public that pays them? If they didn't know they need to be sacked anyway, eh craptotourist?
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