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April 03, 2020, 07:02:06 PM

ChartBuddy in 1st place still with over 21,000 posts in the WO despite being dead for years Cheesy


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April 03, 2020, 07:18:07 PM

ChartBuddy in 1st place still with over 21,000 posts in the WO despite being dead for years Cheesy

It's striking how high up some long dead accounts still are. Goes to show how 'committed' some posters were back in the day.
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April 03, 2020, 07:29:13 PM

Reading that list I miss some of those people. How’s stolfi nowadays?
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April 03, 2020, 07:31:41 PM

Reading that list I miss some of those people. How’s stolfi nowadays?

The fucking nutter is just as fucking nuts on Reddit these days - https://www.reddit.com/user/jstolfi/

It's possibly the biggest waste of life and energy I have witnessed in all my days. Despite his fervent efforts he has not vanquished the object of his ire.

That's one maggot I don't miss.
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April 03, 2020, 07:33:09 PM
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Yes, I certainly feel like a bot myself [...[

Busted! (bots have feelings?)


[...] maybe I can summarize my profits by having peace of mind [...[


Thanks for explaining JJG. We have opposing strategies it seems since for me peace of mind is owning the private keys. Old school I guess.
Peace of mind regarding volatility is achieved by not watching the charts or simply not caring too much.

Of course, I cannot argue with a different strokes for different folks approach, and I don't even mind if you keep attempting to beat me up about it.. it is a fair theme and a fair tension that everyone should be considering a variety of costs and benefits in terms of fit to their circumstances (including their psychology) and also maybe some of us are going to lose the fuck out of our funds because of exit scams and other ways to lose your bitcoin through employing these services. 

At the same time, I had always considered that part of my rationale for engaging in exchange services was to both take advantage of seemingly inevitable bitcoin volatility but also to attempt to support the ecosystem too... 

Yeah, I know that I don't really need to support the bitcoin ecosystem on an individual level, and there are a lot of peeps out there who are both dumb enough and liquid enough to support the ecosystem instead of me, yet I do have some selfish learning and engagement reasons, too, and I kind of figure that if I engage with bitcoin in this kind of way, it gives me a more complicated relationship with bitcoin that causes me to learn more because I am attempting to actively engage rather than passively engage.. .. so sure, that is kind of another intangible, but it has been one of my ongoing mental justifications, and I even continued to participate with various exchanges even with some of my own losses through exit scams and sim porting and some of the other bullshit ways that I have lost money through my active engagement that I kind of have considered to be a "cost of doing business."
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April 03, 2020, 07:37:18 PM

Reading that list I miss some of those people. How’s stolfi nowadays?

The fucking nutter is just as fucking nuts on Reddit these days - https://www.reddit.com/user/jstolfi/

It's possibly the biggest waste of life and energy I have witnessed in all my days. Despite his fervent efforts he has not vanquished the object of his ire.

That's one maggot I don't miss.

It's strange how he stopped posting when we mooned to a new ATH.
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April 03, 2020, 07:42:54 PM

Funny to read my old posts which are just starting after the first 2013 bear drop towards $66. Oh, how I miss those days  Roll Eyes
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April 03, 2020, 07:51:43 PM

Funny to read my old posts which are just starting after the first 2013 bear drop towards $66. Oh, how I miss those days  Roll Eyes

Imagine if we could return to those times knowing what we know regarding price destiny.
I hope you still have a load of coins from then, I started buying in May 2014 myself.
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April 03, 2020, 08:01:33 PM

Some issues to take care of, about 80 pages behind.

Totally OT question - which uninstaller program for Windows would you recommend?
linux

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I was tempted to write "format c:"  Grin
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April 03, 2020, 08:05:29 PM

While on this tangent, what's a decent free antivirus? Sick of popups and ads.

I believe Windows Defender that ships with Win 10 is a respectable product in its own right. Not sure there is a need for further antivirus solutions unless you are looking for protection against more esoteric threats.

Also, stop clicking so many random URLs, you absolute dingus.  Kiss

Fuck it since I read it, Comodo.
Free, best of the best imo.

Make sure to choose advanced install, and un-click all the clicked by default ones.

edit: add malwarebytes (free edition), and you're set. Sorry Bob, defender sucks.

But comodo is sloooow.
defender and mbam best combo for me on windoze.
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April 03, 2020, 08:14:06 PM

Yeah it can lead to killing the enemy. China must be destroyed. Convince me otherwise if you think you can. And if you think you can't, maybe you should reconsider your position.

What am I after all? Just some angry ignorant idiot on the internet right? Is that more than you can handle?

Why convince you?
Maniacs can't be convinced.

Even better, i'll motivate you:
The "enemy" is within your mind. So go ahead, destroy the enemy.

Do you think people get more or less aggressive from simply being written off as maniacs? You are making things worse.

Do you think i wanted to get you upset?
Nope.

The fact that you base your behaviour on a part of your mind that is constantly ranting, judging and insulting and you have no insight about this process is definitely the description of a maniac. No offense, dude.
Agression is always a reaction, it never "comes from outside", its a way you react to events. You can as well just say "who cares" and focus on solutions. Aggression generates new problems, so this won't help you solve any problem.
YOU are responsible for your emotions, that's a fact. Blaming somebody else for it is childish, definitely.
Grow up. Take responsibility. Be quiet for a while and you will start to "hear" the ranting voice in your head. And if you don't react to it, it will even disappear for short times. The more you get to know this part of your mind, the better you can control it.
Otherwise it will take control over you.
Never asked yourself why people get grumpy when they grow old?
It's because they let it happen.
And you are a mind reader now. Excellent. This is useless.

There's the proof of judgement, thanks.
I'm no mind reader. (Well, at the poker table, a little bit. But that's different...)
Everybody's mind follows the same basic principles (mentally "ill" are excluded).
Ask a buddhist or any person that practices meditation on a regular basis already for some years.
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April 03, 2020, 08:14:19 PM

Crazy idea: I collected all posts in the Wall Observer thread made by the Top 500 495 (I reached the maximum post length) most active users (on the first 26486 pages).
I wanted to post this April 1st, but I didn't make it on time.

Warning: chances are your browser won't like opening very large pages, and many images won't show due to Bitcointalk image proxy restrictions Tongue

I'll only list the Top 500 here, but I collected all posts for all users who ever posted here (again: limited to the first 26486 pages). See http://loyce.club/other/WallObserver/allposts/ for all userIDs.

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Thanx Loyce. Interesting stats to peruse as usual.

I was wondering, is there a top 500 (or whatever) list showing members average earned merit per post? (i.e... earned merits over total posts)
I'm sure it exists somewhere, just couldn't find it.
My google search skills are lacking. Thanx again.
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While on this tangent, what's a decent free antivirus? Sick of popups and ads.

I believe Windows Defender that ships with Win 10 is a respectable product in its own right. Not sure there is a need for further antivirus solutions unless you are looking for protection against more esoteric threats.

Also, stop clicking so many random URLs, you absolute dingus.  Kiss

Fuck it since I read it, Comodo.
Free, best of the best imo.

Make sure to choose advanced install, and un-click all the clicked by default ones.

edit: add malwarebytes (free edition), and you're set. Sorry Bob, defender sucks.

But comodo is sloooow.
defender and mbam best combo for me on windoze.


 Good deal on mbam if you're a student (or know one:Smiley) 5 bucks for 4 years
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April 03, 2020, 08:18:53 PM
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BTC is very volatile, so starting with an amount of cash and BTC, there should be a sure way to end up with more in the end.

I can see that maybe your goals are quite different than mine.

One of the best ways to assure that you have more BTC in the end is just to continue to buy it, as others have said... you buy on the dips and you DCA. 

When you sell any amount of your BTC, you have to be prepared that the price is going to keep going up and those BTC will be sold forever; however, if the price happens to dip, then you can use the proceeds from the sale to buy back, but if you continue to sell on the way up, you are going to end up having fewer BTC because BTC prices are more likely to go up than down, and you do not want to be selling so much of your BTC that you end up depleting your BTC supply... so ultimately the reason for selling BTC should be for downside insurance rather than making more BTC.

I'm not spending BTC on a regular basis, however I want to buy a house soon, and if I need to dip into my BTC to do it I will.


Well yeah, there are cashflow management risks that can happen with any asset class, and surely bitcoin remains volatile as fuck, yet in my thinking any investment thesis and practice should attempt to employ as little gambling as possible, so that you are choosing when to convert an asset into dollars that is at a time of your choosing rather than just because the time has come and "fuck it"

I understand, easier said than done.  Even if you have a relatively long timeline of a year or two, sometimes markets will stay irrational for too god damned long, and you don't want to be forced to cash out of bitcoin at any other time than one that you choose for yourself.

I am even guilty of a similar problem, and in early 2018, I knew that I had some relatively BIG ASS bills that would be coming due at various times in late 2018 and early 2019, so I did keep a bit larger percentage of fiat in order to cover those bills, and what ended up happening is that more of them came due all at once and they were higher amounts than I expected in November.... and fuck, what a god damned bad time to have cost overruns... so yeah, I was forced into selling a bit more BTC ... just to be sure that I was covered, including just having cash on hand in case the BTC price went lower than $3k... blah blah blah.. In the end, probably, I sold less than 3% of my BTC holdings, but still it was at a time that was not of my choosing because I had not really prepared as much as I should have for the extremes that sometimes can take place right when other shit is hitting the fan.


I'd rather avoid it, to HODL, and to not have to pay tax on it, but I feel it would be worth it.


Well, ultimately, the amount of gambling that you employ is going to be of your own choosing, and surely USD is less volatile than BTC, and surely you don't need to employ all or nothing, but you could have part in dollars and part in BTC, so that you are figuring out an adequate level of risk that you are willing to take while accounting for a variety of scenarios and really assigning realistic rather than pie in the sky probabilities to the possible scenarios.

Aside from that I've only sold BTC to pay back my initial investment, so that if it goes to 0, I'm fine with it. I've also sold a bit to buy some stuff with a BTC card, only with profits from trading.

Sometimes if all of your BTCs are in profits, anyhow, then you might feel less risk averse to just taking a chance... so yeah, let's assume for the sake of argument that your costs per BTC are $1k (for simplicity sake) and if you end up selling some BTC at $3k, then you only get 3x profits rather than 6x profits or 10x profits if things go to shit, rather than the possibility of 10x.. but still your willingness to gamble and how much you are willing to gamble can be moderated by you in such a way that is comfortable for you.. which is surely discretionary in such a way that people are going to divide that differently even when attempting to consider the matter rationally rather than just going into all or nothing gambling, which might not work out so well (but you might get lucky.. but do you want to base your finances on luck rather than really thinking through your comfort level and applying a comfortable risk so that you are mostly emotionally neutral either way?)

The thing with DCA is that I'm earning so little in cash (about median wage) that it wouldn't make a big difference,

Well, yeah, if you already have reached your BTC target accumulation level then sometimes DCA does not really seem as if it is adding a lot on the margins, but you are sounding like you are getting a bit too greedy with the way that you are talking about this whole situation.  Like you want to have your cake and eat it too... which I consider to be too much gambling.

DCA remains a great long term way to continue to accumulate bitcoin, and surely if you have a decently long investment timeline, then you can invest for 5 or more years into the future... and just continue to stack away.. but if you are not really sure where you are at in terms of whether you have accumulated enough BTC or not, then you might just hodl.. and just DCA whatever the extra cash into fiat so that you have that fiat when it comes time to buy the house.. whatever that timeline happens to be.


I can do better in one good trade.

Yeah... greedy talk. Roll Eyes

For example I had set up a buy order for 1 BTC at 4000$ just in case months ago, thinking it would never fill up, well it did.

O.k.  sure.. if you get lucky, and the BTC price bounced at that spot and went up nearly 80%, then there may have been some places where you could have taken some fiat out of that, and then reset your orders back for $4k or whatever price that you believe might be possible or a long shot.  It does not seem healthy to take your luck for granted and believe that you can continue to get lucky.. it is frequently better to preserve capital and to attempt to employ the capital prudently, and sure, maybe having some longshot bets in there, too... I am surely not going to talk you out of your seeming ongoing inclination towards gambling, so you just have to figure out ways to tailor your bitcoin investment in ways that suit your style and attempt to learn too in terms of ways to be as prudent as you can with your risk so that you are not ongoingly putting principle at risk.. in a kind of martingale style that really does not pay off in the long run, even if at the moment, you feel good about some of your past payoffs.
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April 03, 2020, 08:40:43 PM

Reading that list I miss some of those people. How’s stolfi nowadays?

He posts so much shit now in the Bitcoin Cash /r/btc subreddit.... absolute mong
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Hey gang, just checking in.

Still hodling. Gave a small amount to my buddy for renovation work but other than that I’m all good.


Happy to see you still HODLING brother, you were one of the first people I made a bond with & messaged privately when I came here in 2014.

You should pop in more often, there are discrete WO meet ups with a select dozen or so now you know, you probably would have been part of them if you didn’t go AWOL Cheesy

Any way good to see you’re ok, don’t leave it as long in future.

LFC

Oh that sounds good. I’ll be here a little more often then! Had a few disasters happen recently with my family so I’ve been a bit busy but I will make more time from now on.

Great.  You should be checking in at least once a month, so we don't have to worry about you, and you don't even have to say much.. just say something like:... 1) look at that great price, 2) oh fuck.. look at the price, 3) we are all going to die from virus, or 4) some other variation of those or any other quasi-relevant hit and run assertion
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April 03, 2020, 09:20:28 PM

re various buy/sell strategies...these days I always buy slowly, but sell as a 'chunk'  Grin
Seriously, though, what is the point of selling btc, unless you have an immediate or projected cash use case?

I can't trade the darned thing. In 50% cases market goes up after I sell and in 50% the opposite happens.
Nevertheless, I imagine myself helping all those little buyers that you can see flickering on coinbase pro.
Maybe some of them were no-coiners before.
They gob it up, always, lol.
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April 03, 2020, 09:43:11 PM

@CryptoBusy
1.5 Billion Tether USDT printed in preparation for the Bitcoin Halving
https://twitter.com/cryptobusy/status/1246172520702709764?s=21
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Everything's so upside down these days
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Everything's so upside down these days

Flip a coin bro, I’ll take either one.
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