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[MERlT]

Free Pro Tip, If the pussy is green, back the fuck up.

[HairyMaclairy]

We pretty much just bounced off WO Page Parity and headed straight back up

[d_eddie]

Am I the only one who checks the price before and after sex to see how much we earned (or lost) doing it?

I'm past that.

Now I check while on it just to be sure. My partners don't seem to appreciate that. Nocoiners... they just can't be helped.

[serveria.com]

No new ATH today I guess.

The day just started

If you earn btc via mining or via signature .  Selling long upticks is a must thing to do.

ie

12000
12500
13000

wait for it

15000
15500
16000

That won't work in a 2018-scenario where the price keeps dropping, so I can't do this. I am taxed on the value at the moment I earn anything, so the tax amount gets fixed to that price, while the future value is uncertain. That's okay when the price is low, but at current prices, I can't risk being taxed a high amount if the price drops a lot.
It would be a great thing to do when prices go up: earn x euro, pay tax on x euro, and sell it when the value is much higher. Capital gains aren't taxed here (but losses aren't tax deductible either).

You're saying you're taxed on BTC earnings, is that right ? If so, then sell the BTC amount that will pay the tax at that same moment you get it. I'm already hating paying capital gains taxes (that has been lowered to 30%, it used to be more than 50%), but paying taxes on a value that is no longer there would be terrible.

Correct, so I now sell some Bitcoin each week. I keep some too of course

Capital gains tax isn't as bad as you think: long-term, our tax system is worse. Depending on how much you own, you pay 0 to 1.76% savings tax per year.
At the highest rate (which, unfortunately, I don't pay), you're down 16.3% in 10 years. In 20 years, taxes take 29.9% and in 40 years you lose 51.8% to taxes. At least a capital gains tax is only once and you're done.

Bitcoin is now more than S-E-X:

Am I the only one who checks the price before and after sex to see how much we earned (or lost) doing it?

Haha amateur! How about checking the price during the action?   

[serveria.com]

Am I the only one who checks the price before and after sex to see how much we earned (or lost) doing it?

I'm past that.

Now I check while on it just to be sure. My partners don't seem to appreciate that. Nocoiners... they just can't be helped.

Muahaha we think pretty much the same.. . 

[heslo]

See the price dropping. Moved some FedBux into Gemini and placed a dip order for $250 @ $28,000.
Let's see what happens.

Got filled while sleeping.

But what about your order?  

Thanks for that, spat out my drink haha

[vapourminer]

You're saying you're taxed on BTC earnings, is that right ? If so, then sell the BTC amount that will pay the tax at that same moment you get it. I'm already hating paying capital gains taxes (that has been lowered to 30%, it used to be more than 50%), but paying taxes on a value that is no longer there would be terrible.

this is what i do as in the USA we are taxed when we make the profit, so i cash out like 30% more than what what my fiat target is. need $10k USD? then sell $13500 USD worth. then i stick the 3.5k in the bank where it just sits there and pay my taxes with it when due.

sure it leaves some profit on the table in a bull market but if its bear season you can still sleep very peacefully knowing you dont have to sell at a reduced price to cover taxes later.

[OutOfMemory]

How central banks boosted bitcoin
Deficits, debt and fears of currency debasement have stoked the record-breaking rally in digital currencies

AUSTRALIAN FINANCIAL REVIEW.

It's tempting to dismiss the surge in the price of bitcoin and ethereum as a speculative blow-off powered by hot money chasing momentum. But the rally in digital currencies reflects an unease about the unholy trinity of debt, deficits and debased currencies forged by policymakers desperate to revive growth.
The rally in bitcoin beyond $US30,000 ($38,850) is a digital indictment of the easy money policies embraced by the world's central banks, as increasingly aggressive balance sheet expansions obliterate the concept of a price for risk and fuel an ever-growing "everything bubble".

In an era when monetary policymakers are trying to out-dove each other, where once unconventional policies – such as quantitative easing and yield curve control – have become standard operating procedure, it's easy to understand why more capital is seeking an exit from, or a hedge against, a system where central banks have gone wild.
Bitcoin's deterministic monetary policy – only 21 million will be issued at a set pace – looks relatively sober compared to the $US3 trillion expansion in the Federal Reserve's balance sheet and $140 billion swelling in the Reserve Bank of Australia's since the start of the virus crisis.
Digital currencies are no longer the preserve of fintech geeks. Bitcoin has won the backing of US hedge fund legends Paul Tudor Jones and Stanley Druckenmiller, while US-listed companies Square and MicroStrategy have invested some of their corporate treasury in the digital currency.

Digital Asset Capital Management chief executive and co-founder Richard Galvin says 2020 was a "break-out year" for the sector amid an embrace of bitcoin's "digital gold" narrative and the broadening adoption of decentralised finance, or DeFi.
That shift in perception was reflected in its Digital Asset Fund returning about 420 per cent last year, while its DAF Liquid Venture Fund returned just under 500 per cent.
Where the growing interest in digital currencies reflects a desire to step outside the traditional central banking system, the adoption of DeFi highlights the flow of capital beyond traditional banking and finance.
Mr Grider acknowledges there are downside risks. "Prices have had a significant run and profit taking may slow or reverse the rally."

The fusing together of capital and technology into programmable money provides innovators with a potentially powerful tool when interest rates are near zero, yields are miserly and central bank engineering of the shape of the yield curve has changed the rules of the banking and finance game.
Investors have been left with no choice but to chase risk in a world devoid of yield.
TINA – there is no alternative – has become the catchcry for investors pouring into stocks, commodities and digital currencies given the meagre returns on offer at the bank or in bonds.
But nominal yields only tell part of the story. Real, or inflation-adjusted, yields are nil or negative, meaning there is no opportunity cost for investors in non-income producing assets such as gold and digital currencies. The stock of debt trading at a negative yield stands at $US17.7 trillion.
Bitcoin has also been helped by the slide in the value of the US dollar to a 2½-year low.
The prospect of yet more debt being deployed to prop up US growth in 2021 means more supply of dollars. This will keep the Fed buying bonds to repress yields as the US Treasury makes a greater call on lenders.
And around and around it goes.

America's debt story is no model for the world
Almost a decade on from the US having its credit rating downgraded from triple-A by Standard & Poor's, holders of US dollars in the form of US Treasuries have watched successful administrations make a mockery of the debt ceiling.
The August 2010 downgrade came when US government debt was $US14.3 trillion – it's now $US27 trillion. And let's not get started with the $US100 trillion-plus of long-term entitlements that still need to be paid and funded with yet more greenbacks.

While it's easy to claim bitcoin is being driven by speculators, its rise partly reflects concerns about the ongoing speculation by policymakers on the durability of debt-fuelled growth.
Central banks need only look in the mirror to understand bitcoin's success.

+1 WOsMerit
Bouncing back as expected 

[d_eddie]

Past 31k already.

This wasn't even a correction.

[Aqualung89]

Bitcoin is searching for a bit of space and made a move like it's your turn, now Altcoin and Etherum are on the rise.  Later, let's see what happens, let's go to wait and see if we can fully experience a situation like 2017.

[d_eddie]

Free Pro Tip, If the pussy is green, back the fuck up.

Maybe Gwyneth should consider adding some cesium to her candles? They would glow even when not lit.

[Paashaas]

Capital gains tax isn't as bad as you think: long-term, our tax system is worse. Depending on how much you own, you pay 0 to 1.76% savings tax per year.
At the highest rate (which, unfortunately, I don't pay), you're down 16.3% in 10 years. In 20 years, taxes take 29.9% and in 40 years you lose 51.8% to taxes. At least a capital gains tax is only once and you're done.

That's why i don't tell them how much i hodl longterm, not going to pay unnecessary taxes.

Although, tax system will get an overhaul coming years. First prosposal rejected to increase first 30k free of taxes to 440k, above that amounth every 1000 euro you pay 33 cent in taxes.

They will lower it to 100k ore even lift it to 500k, i don't know yet, final prosposal will be more clear later this year.

You can use these new tax rules into your financial planning, for example; if they accept the new 440k free of taxes rule you can sell 400k worth of corn at each 4 year cycle high. So you only pay taxes with the coins they know about. It doesn't matter anyway, it will be laughable. Next question will be, are you happy with 100k each year ore 8300 euro every month?

[d_eddie]

Although, tax system will get an overhaul coming years. First prosposal rejected to increase first 30k free of taxes to 440k, above that amounth every 1000 euro you pay 0.33 cent in taxes.

You sure it's not 0.33 euros? 

[Paashaas]

Although, tax system will get an overhaul coming years. First prosposal rejected to increase first 30k free of taxes to 440k, above that amounth every 1000 euro you pay 0.33 cent in taxes.

You sure it's not 0.33 euros? 

Getting used with 0.33 ''Bitcoin'' i guess.

lol.

[Wekkel]

Soon and you will pay your taxes in Bitcoin 

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Dump for 🐜


Bears school report -

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Must try harder

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we had a nice little correction/dip all the way down to where we were the day before yesterday... currently $31711USD/40266CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

It's refreshing how quickly we recovered from a 20% dip.

As bad as it seemed at $28k, we still have a realistic chance at an ATH later today. Later this week is likely.

Bear fail. Go Bitcoin go

[mladen00]

that was fast correction and now --- moon

[d_eddie]

Am I the only one who checks the price before and after sex to see how much we earned (or lost) doing it?

I'm past that.

Now I check while on it just to be sure. My partners don't seem to appreciate that. Nocoiners... they just can't be helped.

Muahaha we think pretty much the same.. . 

You must be a great mind 

[Torque]

Bitcoin falls over 10% as record-breaking rally loses steam
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/04/bitcoin-price-falls-as-record-breaking-rally-loses-steam.html

You hear that Average Joe retail losers? According to the MSM, the rally has 'lost steam'. It's over. Sell everything now.