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[shahzadafzal]

Probably just me but I really don't like Nolan's non Batman movies.

After Tenet I decided to just not bother with his stuff anymore.

Really?
I thought that "Inception" was pretty cool.

Memento, Inception, The Prestige, Interstellar and Batman are master pieces from Christopher Nolan. These are some movies we will debate on for hours.
I saw the trailer of Tenet seems amazing looks like mixture of Inception and The Matrix..

Btw do we have any Dark fans here on WO?

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[BobLawblaw]

I fundamentally do not see a compelling use case for NFTs.

I am OK with being ignorant about NFTs, and fail to see the draw towards them.

Does not interest me in the slightest.

[d_eddie]

My issue with your point of view, Biodom, is that we are losing track of the raison d'etre for art - the enjoyment.

I understand a Van Gogh original is worth millions, and enjoying a copy or a hi res photo of it isn't the "same" thing in some sense.

But - if the work of art is digital to begin with, what's the relationship between artistic enjoyment and "originality" or "ownership" of the work? When it gets that philosophic, I start to smell smoke.

Well, I am able to enjoy Van Gogh painting in person OR as wall paper while understanding the difference.
When i look at the wall paper, i have some thoughts about the fate, the universe, etc.
When i am in front of the physical painting, I pay attention to the minutia of the artist's work and how it becomes 'alive' at the distance.
When you own something, it is different from looking at something.
For myself, I like to look more than own, but some like to collect.
If their NFT shows artist's digital signatue, is validated on a blockchain and is basically immortal (hopefully), then collector might be satisfied in feeling that his/her 'piece' is unique, there is only ONE and there always be only one.

If I were a collector, I wouldn't be satisfied in feeling that the uniqueness of my piece is limited to a few bits of metadata in the signature - which, again, isn't part of the work itself, since other "unique" prints have the same exact data as their artistic content. Only physical enforcement of the link would give me that kind of satisfaction - along with possible returns.

What physical enforcement?

Physical enforcement as in "This physical work, authentic or not, present in this gallery/museum, can't be uncovered for all to see/moved from here etc., whithout a signature from the owner of this specific NFT". Who wants to "use" the object (watch, say) must get strong crypto auth before being legally able to.

In a museum, we are relying on "experts" to tell us what is genuine, but even experts are fooled sometimes.
There are very sophisticated forgers in a physical world.
https://artfulliving.com/art-forgery/

EDIT: btw, metadata IS part of the work itself, for sure, included in the NFT.

Yes metadata is part of the work and is necessary to enforce ownership. It is not part of the creation itself, in the sense that the work can be used/enjoyed even if all metadata are removed. This is the rift I was referring to - between art as an esthetic experience that has value and art as a token whose ownership/accessory data are not necessary to enjoy a specific piece of art. Unless there is physical (legal?) enforcement, that is.

I am not being dismissive.

[d_eddie]

Probably just me but I really don't like Nolan's non Batman movies.

After Tenet I decided to just not bother with his stuff anymore.

Really?
I thought that "Inception" was pretty cool.

Memento, Inception, The Prestige, Interstellar and Batman are master pieces from Christopher Nolan. These are some movies we will debate on for hours.
I saw the trailer of Tenet seems amazing looks like mixture of Inception and The Matrix..

Btw do we have any Dark fans here on WO?

I am watching it. My opinion? Nice music, with that simple glissando string motif that's chilling enough in itself. A slow burner with much less tension than descriptions/posters suggest. The slow burner, low tension thing is good - but it's a bit too complicated for my taste. Keeping track of things acrually requires drawing trees, a bit like 100 años de soledad, but luckily here there are more than two-three given names (thanks for that!). The good thing is it should definitely end with Season 3: no aimless wandering or shark jumping in sight.

[shahzadafzal]

I am watching it. My opinion? Nice music, with that simple glissando string motif that's chilling enough in itself. A slow burner with much less tension than descriptions/posters suggest. The slow burner, low tension thing is good - but it's a bit too complicated for my taste. Keeping track of things acrually requires drawing trees, a bit like 100 años de soledad, but luckily here there are more than two-three given names (thanks for that!). The good thing is it should definitely end with Season 3: no aimless wandering or shark jumping in sight.

Use this Netflix original website https://dark.netflix.io/en this is spoiler free and will help you to relate the characters and their relations.

[BitcoinBunny]

Not sure what the confusion is with. There should be a description of what NFT entitles you to, like with ANY contract.

Not sure what your confusion is with.

Unless NFT are written into ownership/copyright law and it is thereby enforceable by law, then they are completely useless.

Doesn't matter what an NFT supposedly entitles you too...the supposed contract is worthless and unenforceable.

"Let the record show I have an NFT, of the painting of which's copyright you are accusing me of infringing, from a random blockchain that I have pulled out of my asshole."

Whatever, dude or dudette, I am not selling you any or asking you to buy, but the overall dismissive attitude here is, frankly, bewildering to the n-th degree.
Reminds me of the attitude regarding bitcoin by the public at large several years ago.
Bitcoin developers/maintainers are making their own NFTs (on bitcoin side chain), yo.
EDIT: Correction. Although BMN (Blockstrem's mining thingie) is essentially an NFT, they choose to call it a Luxembourg investment contract (I guess because there are no NFT laws yet).

Well maybe, just maybe, the entire future of created arts will be blockchain-ified. Who knows.

I have collaborated with singers and musicians on music projects which are released on the likes of Spotify.

I just don't see a compelling case from the things I've read over the last week why I would go down this route at the moment rather than the avenues I have used in the past.
But sure, things can change.

To me it just seems like many people are using Bitcoin as a reason why every idea on a blockchain should work and be valued at a high price on its own.
It just sounds a bit wishful thinking perhaps. The amount of altcoins is ridiculous now. This can never work if you think about the number of them. Compare to the limited number of companies on stock exchanges.

At a certain time having your own blockchain might be as common as owning a video recording device.
In the past you could convince Doc Brown how amazing a movie studio that you can hold in your hand is.
These days no one gives a shit and there is more content created than can ever be consumed.

Also, Techie musician Imogen Heap looked at integrating music with blockchain for sales and events with Mycelia. I don't think it was a success at all. Frankly, it sounded like a complicated mess that eventually just became a music tour for a while.

[Biodom]

Probably just me but I really don't like Nolan's non Batman movies.

After Tenet I decided to just not bother with his stuff anymore.

Really?
I thought that "Inception" was pretty cool.

Memento, Inception, The Prestige, Interstellar and Batman are master pieces from Christopher Nolan. These are some movies we will debate on for hours.
I saw the trailer of Tenet seems amazing looks like mixture of Inception and The Matrix..

Btw do we have any Dark fans here on WO?

I am watching it. My opinion? Nice music, with that simple glissando string motif that's chilling enough in itself. A slow burner with much less tension than descriptions/posters suggest. The slow burner, low tension thing is good - but it's a bit too complicated for my taste. Keeping track of things acrually requires drawing trees, a bit like 100 años de soledad, but luckily here there are more than two-three given names (thanks for that!). The good thing is it should definitely end with Season 3: no aimless wandering or shark jumping in sight.

I watched "Dark", but kind of get lost in the beginning of the last season (3)? Maybe I should finish it just for a sake of making ends meet.
I felt so sorry for one character there (Ullrich) that it was difficult to watch.

[vroom]

NFT blablabla. I can't read it anymore. NFT my ###


go bitcoin, go!

[Richy_T]

Uh, what timezone are you in?

+4 UTC/GMT....

time zones are always confusing.... how bitcoin will solve this? Let say if someone from other side of the world let say USA is suppose to pay me 1 BTC on 31st March at 9AM in morning... so that means I won’t get anything until 9PM in the evening at least?? and who knows that time 1 BTC will be where. (Yes yes I agree 1BTC = 1BTC) but the problem is still there, I needed that 1BTC in morning 9AM? So how?

Amazon probably meant 31st March in the USA. Which it wasn't yet.

Timezones won't be fixed but you can specify the timezone and GMT/UTC tends to be the standard if you don't have reason to use another.

[shahzadafzal]

NFT blablabla. I can't read it anymore. NFT my ###

hahaha i think now is the time infofront should make it mandatory to include tldr in every post longer then two lines and some users should not be allowed to post on WO without tldr.

I don't want to name any one but JayJuanGee  nullius  cAPSLOCK how are you guys?

[ivomm]

Geez, so many twitter accounts join the #Bitcoin BTC movement (with the red laser eyes, of course)!


https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/1377289376347095045

[Hueristic]

NFT blablabla. I can't read it anymore. NFT my ###

hahaha i think now is the time infofront should make it mandatory to include tldr in every post longer then two lines and some users should not be allowed to post on WO without tldr.

I don't want to name any one but JayJuanGee  nullius  cAPSLOCK how are you guys?

nah

[Richy_T]

What a mess... Not the way I imagined NFTs to function—I'm a total NFT newbie, so I can't really have an informed opinion, but based on the very few things I've read so far, it doesn't look so good...

As soon as I heard websites were involved, that was red flags for me (and there were already more than a few). I'm still not fully conversant with them but the more I know, the more I don't want to know.

[Richy_T]

He's made quite a few bangers in his time; the Batman films and The Prestige being among them. While his newer offerings try to sometimes be too smart for their own good they're still enjoyable in their own right.

He's probably make a great series of 42 minute shows for TV. I don't think the movie format is always appropriate for his ideas.

[shahzadafzal]

Coinbase manipulating prices??? Seriously who should we trust now??


https://cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/8369-21



Observing $59.2k again...

Some positive news too...

“JUST IN: Goldman Sachs to begin offering Bitcoin to its clients”
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1377239169085317129?s=21

[BitcoinBunny]

Pump it like you mean it. 

[Parazyd]

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[BitcoinBunny]

Please sir, can BTC go back to $60K?


Not tonight, mate.

[Wekkel]

BTC price boring but at least steady.

Oh well, back to some Autumn Falls videos. A bimbo with absolutely no brains or acting ability. 

https://media.tenor.com/images/cff521fe41b941bcdc9643c739aa2da2/tenor.gif

Finally, a post that makes sense between all those covert NFT advertisements 

[shahzadafzal]

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